interesting .... why are you making an exception for rape and incest? if you believe its murder, then it follows that the child is still an innocent life, and it is still getting murdered, regardless of how it was conceived.
If you believed that abortions qualified as murder, would you want them illegallized?
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interesting .... why are you making an exception for rape and incest? if you believe its murder, then it follows that the child is still an innocent life, and it is still getting murdered, regardless of how it was conceived.
Yes, I would. But I draw the line further on in the development of the embryo. I haven't completely decided where that line should lie, in my own mind, mainly because I don't know enough about the development of the foetus, but I think it should be somewhere around the time that it feel things.
Head Serf
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I would want all abortions made mandatory if I believed not having an abortion was murder.
That doesn't make sense. Why make it mandatory?
If you believe drinking coffee isn't bad, you'd have everyone forced to drink coffee?
Head Serf
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The premise of his question was that not having an abortion was murder. Therefore, the only way to avoid such murder is for everyone to have an abortion. I assume. >.>
GenMarshall
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Which is better, having the mother and the child die due to complexations of the pregnancy or saving the mother?
Would you want to carry around a child that a rapist gave you and bear the emotional trama of constantly being reminded that youve been raped?
ohcrapitsnico
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My thoughts exactly, you should also think of what it would like to be that child, knowing you are the product of rape or even incest and all the pain and suffering you caused your mother. I think it would be cruel to force the mother to keep the child on both the mother and the child. Those who suffer from this type of pain including the child may grow up to be depressed and in turn commit more atrocities given from who he/she came from and what they went through.
I don't see what this specifically has to do with rape/incest as opposed to any other pregnancy.
You make it sound like in all cases of incest, the mother didn't want a child. What if she did? What if both parents did? What if the baby did not have genetic complications?
CartesianFart
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That is another good question that have to be considered under our examination. Lets say that in some particular cases, a woman was raped and then later discover that she is bearing the child of the rapist; now,after all the trauma of rape,she will not only will suffer the horrible memory of the act, but will have to be constantly be reminded of such act during her pregnancy without any time to recover. The thing is,to me,I find it horrible to prevent life of a unborn child on any circumstances and find it hard to understand the "rape scenario" argument because no-matter what the crime was and how horrible it was to that particular woman, she will suffer from the pain indefinitely; it is still no justification of committing an act of "prevention of life of a human being" or "murder",which the latter can be define vaguely as "denying the right of a human being to live."
So,consequently, the rape victim is acting in the state of vindication and the means to do it is the unborn child as the end of her suffering.
I find that most people don't value much to life of human beings in general, whether if they are not considered humans because they are not defined as being so if it is in the mother's womb. To me,I find this argument "women's rights to do with they want with their body" is somewhat a distraction because if we allow such crime as murdering unborn children, then the "rights to anything with your body" can easily applied to parents taking harmful illegal drugs narcotics in the home where there may be children there,masturbate in front of people in public,suicide,having sex in public places with consensual adults,nudity,self-mutilation,and other deviant acts that can be imagined.
So they don't have an abortion. Making it legal or giving a right to choose does not mean they have to choose only one option.
Would you want to have a child that a rapist gave you, and bear the emotional trama of constantly being reminded that youve been raped?
If this is sufficient justification for murdering an unborn child, why is it not justification for murdering the child after birth? Or do you accept that there is, after all, a difference before birth?
MOTH
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I would still want them to be legal due to the problems involved in back-alley abortions.
Note: I also consider the Death Penalty to be state sanctioned murder, but I still view that as legal as well.
Who is to say that all murder is bad?
Note: I also consider the Death Penalty to be state sanctioned murder, but I still view that as legal as well.
Who is to say that all murder is bad?
Those questions were directed at the person I quoted.
i wasn't talking about that was I? I specifically asked about cases of rape and incest.
you're still thinking in terms of the woman. which is surprising considering you are anti abortion. if you believe that the fetus is a life, then what the mother thinks is irrelevant. the fetus has rights too. besides, if the woman doesnt want to be reminded of the trauma, she can give the child up for adoption. anyway if you take your argument to its logical conclusion, then we should go around and kill all children who were born as a result of rape, since their moms are still traumatized.
