Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
Hey, 7ronin! You just stopping by? 
Ogedei's Empire (Info on Everything East Asia)
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Thanks, Stormy. And to answer Virote, I hope to stay around for a while now. Looks like lots of great stuff going on.
Ogedei_the_Mad
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More info on possible City Improvements. I'll put together a collage of pictures once I have the time.
BUILDINGS
Chinese
Confucian Academy - [Suggested Civ Stats: +50% research. +2 Culture]
A high emphasis on education has been a part of traditional Chinese culture since early times. From the Han Dynasty and up to the 20th century, education was centered on Confucianism, which stressed a pursuit of learning while adhering to ethical codes. Academies sprung up everywhere and their primary goal was to prep students to take the Civil Service Examination. While education sometimes did provide an avenue for social advancement for people of humble backgrounds, the literati elite typically had access to the best education, thus giving them a significant advantage in examinations.
Magistrate - [Suggested Civ Stats: Reduces corruption]
When students passed a civil service examination, their initial postings were frequently as provincial and rural magistrates. Magistrates would remain in office for several years before being advanced to a higher level of office.
Gardens - [Suggested Civ Stats: +1 Happiness, +2 Culture]
Many private homes featured gardens arranged according to philosophical notions of classical aesthetic tastes. Gardens were influenced partly by Daoist concepts of seeking harmony amongst natural forces and traditional geomancy. Flowers and trees decorated these gardens, but in more elaborate gardens, peculiarly shaped weathered rocks (particularly Taihu rocks, which were famous for their unusual shapes) also were prominent features. Some gardens mimicked entire landscape scenes in famous Chinese paintings.
Japanese
Shiro - [Suggested Civ Stats: 50 Defense, 8 Bombard Defense]
The Japanese castle is unique in East Asia in that its design is more parallel to that of the European castle with outer walls, moats, and a central keep. Unlike the mainlanders, the Japanese did not utilize massive city walls. Castle building reached its peak in the Azuchi-Momoyama period and the castles of daimyo, who were feudal lords, served not only as military installations, but also elaborate centerpieces of feudal domains designed with aesthetics in mind along with defense concerns.
Akusho - [Suggested Civ Stats: +2 Happiness, +2 Culture]
"Akusho" literally translates to "wicked place." These places were known by several other names: the "Licensed Quarters" (as they recieved special permission from the Tokugawa shogunal government), the "Pleasure Districts," and the "Floating World." Akusho were famous for theatre, geisha, and vice. While many stories emerged during Tokugawa times of men losing their fortunes and abandoning their families or women being sold into prostitution, the Akusho was nonetheless the source of inspiration for much of the material and artistic culture of the Tokugawa Period and was one of the most vibrant places of the era.
Hanamachi
Courtesan districts were also known as the "Hanamachi," which literally means "Flower Town." An example of a "Hanamachi" is the old Gion district of Kyoto.
Print Shop [Suggested Civ Stats: +2 Happiness, +3 Culture]
During the relatively peaceful and prosperous times of the Edo Period (1603-1868 CE), printing of books, encyclopedias, almanacs, pamphlets, and woodblock prints brought about an unprecedented growth of popular culture. As literature became commonly circulated among the merchant class and townspeople, a vibrant print culture developed. The mass produciton of literature of the Edo Period is one of the reasons that so much is known of this time period.
Korean
Hyanggyo - [Suggested Civ Stats: +50% research, +2 Culture]
Hyanggyo are Korean Confucian academies with some level of state sponsorship. These schools were scattered across the Korean countryside to serve the local village elites.
Mudang - [Suggested Civ Stats: +1 Happiness, Resistance to Propaganda, +2 Culture]
"Mudang" is the Korean word for "shaman" or "sorceress" (although there are some male shamans). Korean culture was traditionally shamanistic with a variety of spiritual dances, rituals, and ceremonies that are remnants of the ancient tribal cultures of the Korean peninsula. While Buddhism supplanted shamanism's place, remnants of shamanistic practices remain an important and unique part of Korean culture.
Gisaeng House
Gisaeng are the Korean parallel to the Japanese geisha. Similar to the geisha, they are skilled women trained not only in etiquette and hospitality but also the arts and literature. Gisaeng were not to have relationships of a sexual nature with their clients and served mostly as entertainers for elite men.
Mongol
Ger - [Suggested Civ Stats: Produces veteran units, units heal in one turn]
The Mongol yurt is designed with mobility in mind. These circular tents allow the nomadic Mongols to quickly set up or move entire communities when necessary.
I'll put together a collage of pictures once I have the time.BUILDINGS
Chinese
Confucian Academy - [Suggested Civ Stats: +50% research. +2 Culture]
A high emphasis on education has been a part of traditional Chinese culture since early times. From the Han Dynasty and up to the 20th century, education was centered on Confucianism, which stressed a pursuit of learning while adhering to ethical codes. Academies sprung up everywhere and their primary goal was to prep students to take the Civil Service Examination. While education sometimes did provide an avenue for social advancement for people of humble backgrounds, the literati elite typically had access to the best education, thus giving them a significant advantage in examinations.
Magistrate - [Suggested Civ Stats: Reduces corruption]
When students passed a civil service examination, their initial postings were frequently as provincial and rural magistrates. Magistrates would remain in office for several years before being advanced to a higher level of office.
Gardens - [Suggested Civ Stats: +1 Happiness, +2 Culture]
Many private homes featured gardens arranged according to philosophical notions of classical aesthetic tastes. Gardens were influenced partly by Daoist concepts of seeking harmony amongst natural forces and traditional geomancy. Flowers and trees decorated these gardens, but in more elaborate gardens, peculiarly shaped weathered rocks (particularly Taihu rocks, which were famous for their unusual shapes) also were prominent features. Some gardens mimicked entire landscape scenes in famous Chinese paintings.
Japanese
Shiro - [Suggested Civ Stats: 50 Defense, 8 Bombard Defense]
The Japanese castle is unique in East Asia in that its design is more parallel to that of the European castle with outer walls, moats, and a central keep. Unlike the mainlanders, the Japanese did not utilize massive city walls. Castle building reached its peak in the Azuchi-Momoyama period and the castles of daimyo, who were feudal lords, served not only as military installations, but also elaborate centerpieces of feudal domains designed with aesthetics in mind along with defense concerns.
Akusho - [Suggested Civ Stats: +2 Happiness, +2 Culture]
"Akusho" literally translates to "wicked place." These places were known by several other names: the "Licensed Quarters" (as they recieved special permission from the Tokugawa shogunal government), the "Pleasure Districts," and the "Floating World." Akusho were famous for theatre, geisha, and vice. While many stories emerged during Tokugawa times of men losing their fortunes and abandoning their families or women being sold into prostitution, the Akusho was nonetheless the source of inspiration for much of the material and artistic culture of the Tokugawa Period and was one of the most vibrant places of the era.
Hanamachi
Courtesan districts were also known as the "Hanamachi," which literally means "Flower Town." An example of a "Hanamachi" is the old Gion district of Kyoto.
Print Shop [Suggested Civ Stats: +2 Happiness, +3 Culture]
During the relatively peaceful and prosperous times of the Edo Period (1603-1868 CE), printing of books, encyclopedias, almanacs, pamphlets, and woodblock prints brought about an unprecedented growth of popular culture. As literature became commonly circulated among the merchant class and townspeople, a vibrant print culture developed. The mass produciton of literature of the Edo Period is one of the reasons that so much is known of this time period.
Korean
Hyanggyo - [Suggested Civ Stats: +50% research, +2 Culture]
Hyanggyo are Korean Confucian academies with some level of state sponsorship. These schools were scattered across the Korean countryside to serve the local village elites.
Mudang - [Suggested Civ Stats: +1 Happiness, Resistance to Propaganda, +2 Culture]
"Mudang" is the Korean word for "shaman" or "sorceress" (although there are some male shamans). Korean culture was traditionally shamanistic with a variety of spiritual dances, rituals, and ceremonies that are remnants of the ancient tribal cultures of the Korean peninsula. While Buddhism supplanted shamanism's place, remnants of shamanistic practices remain an important and unique part of Korean culture.
Gisaeng House
Gisaeng are the Korean parallel to the Japanese geisha. Similar to the geisha, they are skilled women trained not only in etiquette and hospitality but also the arts and literature. Gisaeng were not to have relationships of a sexual nature with their clients and served mostly as entertainers for elite men.
Mongol
Ger - [Suggested Civ Stats: Produces veteran units, units heal in one turn]
The Mongol yurt is designed with mobility in mind. These circular tents allow the nomadic Mongols to quickly set up or move entire communities when necessary.
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
City Lists:
Chinese
Qin Dynasty
Song Dynasty (Northern and Southern)
Korean
Shilla
Japanese
Yamato
*Note: Until the first "permanent" capital was established in the Nara Period, capitals of Japan changed periodically as the court moved. Heian, however, was capital for a thousand years and is now known as "Kyoto."
Chinese
Qin Dynasty
Spoiler :
Song Dynasty (Northern and Southern)
Spoiler :
Korean
Shilla
Spoiler :
Japanese
Yamato
*Note: Until the first "permanent" capital was established in the Nara Period, capitals of Japan changed periodically as the court moved. Heian, however, was capital for a thousand years and is now known as "Kyoto."
Spoiler :
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
RESOURCES AND LUXURIES
*Pics to be added in later.
Resources / Suggested Stats
Copper
Timber
Stone
Iron
Horses
Silver
Rice
Luxuries
Silk
Spices
Lacquer
Tea
Incense
Sandalwood
Jade
Furs
Ginseng
Resource-Linked City Improvements
Copper Coins Mint - Paper money was a major invention in Song Dynasty China, but the majority of currency consisted of strings of copper cash coins. So many copper coins were produced in China that in some parts of East Asia, Chinese coins served as a form of local currency as well.
Horse Merchant - While Chinese armies made use of cavalry, most of the horses had to be imported from the nomadic steppe tribes. Nomads depended on trade to access not only luxuries but also basic goods.
Silversmith - For much of Chinese history, silver served as a major means of exchange and determining wealth and so China was a heavy silver importer. Silver production and trade was an important aspect to the Japanese economy and its trade relationship with China; Japan was the world's lead producer of silver before the Spanish acquired control of former Aztec and Inca mines.
Rice Merchant - The rice trade from Southeast Asia contributed to a major population surge in the coastal regions of China, thereby allowing coastal provinces to increase their manufacturing capabilities without needing more farmland. Fast-growing rice, while not considered as valuable as regular rice, allowed farmers to be more productive as they could use it as a back-up in the event of a crop failure.
Ginseng Merchant - Ginseng is a valuable herb that the Koreans were traditionally famous for. It was an important luxury export from the Korean peninsula because of its medicinal uses.
*Pics to be added in later.
Resources / Suggested Stats
Copper
Timber
Stone
Iron
Horses
Silver
Rice
Luxuries
Silk
Spices
Lacquer
Tea
Incense
Sandalwood
Jade
Furs
Ginseng
Resource-Linked City Improvements
Copper Coins Mint - Paper money was a major invention in Song Dynasty China, but the majority of currency consisted of strings of copper cash coins. So many copper coins were produced in China that in some parts of East Asia, Chinese coins served as a form of local currency as well.
Horse Merchant - While Chinese armies made use of cavalry, most of the horses had to be imported from the nomadic steppe tribes. Nomads depended on trade to access not only luxuries but also basic goods.
Silversmith - For much of Chinese history, silver served as a major means of exchange and determining wealth and so China was a heavy silver importer. Silver production and trade was an important aspect to the Japanese economy and its trade relationship with China; Japan was the world's lead producer of silver before the Spanish acquired control of former Aztec and Inca mines.
Rice Merchant - The rice trade from Southeast Asia contributed to a major population surge in the coastal regions of China, thereby allowing coastal provinces to increase their manufacturing capabilities without needing more farmland. Fast-growing rice, while not considered as valuable as regular rice, allowed farmers to be more productive as they could use it as a back-up in the event of a crop failure.
Ginseng Merchant - Ginseng is a valuable herb that the Koreans were traditionally famous for. It was an important luxury export from the Korean peninsula because of its medicinal uses.
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
Song Dynasty city list added.
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
ONLINE HISTORY RESOURCES
- Internet History Source Books Project - China and East Asia
- East and Southeast Asia: An Anotated Directory of Internet Resoruces - Directory of Various Online Resources Available
- Korea in the Eye of the Tiger - 3000 years of Korean History in relation to East Asia
- Asian Historical Architecture - Photographic Survey of South, Southeast, and East Asian Architecture
- Samurai Archives - History and Culture of the Japanese Samurai
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
Another resource for unit makers and would-be unit makers:
http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/sawoochi/1243260
This is actually a blog, but it shows pictures of Korean, Japanese, and Chinese armor. Note that Korean armor looks more like a mix of Central Asian and Chinese design.
http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/sawoochi/1243260
This is actually a blog, but it shows pictures of Korean, Japanese, and Chinese armor. Note that Korean armor looks more like a mix of Central Asian and Chinese design.
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
UNIQUE UNITS
For certain East Asian civilizations, there can be numerous possibilities for "unique units" as such civilizations' histories span thousands of years.
Chinese
Shang Dynasty
-Shang Bronze Axeman
Zhou Dynasty
-Zhou War Chariot
Qin Dynasty
-Qin Infantry
Han Dynasty
-Zhuge-Nu / Chu-ko-nu
-Luo Chuan (Tower / Castle Ship)
Tang Dynasty
-Tang Cavalry
-Luo Chuan (Tower / Castle Ship)
Song Dynasty
-Paddle Ship
-Rocketeer
-Fire Lance
Ming Dynasty
-Treasure Ship
-Fuchuan (War Junk)
Japanese
Kofun Period
-Yamato Swordsman
Heian Period
-Samurai Frontier Guard (Light Horse Archer)
Kamakura Period
-Minamoto Samurai Cavalry
Sengoku Jidai
-Samurai Heavy Cavalry
-Kensai
-Sohei
-Ninja
-Ashigaru Arquebusier
Meiji
-Imperial Army Rifleman
Korean
Gojoseon
-Gojoseon Mandolin Daggerman: The "mandolin" shaped dagger is a style of weapon that is unique to early Korean cultures and is not found among other neighboring civilizations. The distribution of these daggers give archeologists an idea over how far the influence of the so-called "Gojoseon" culture spread in Northeast Asia.
Samguk Period
-Goguryeo Cavalry
-Hwarang: Sometimes called "Flower Knights," the Hwarang "flower youths" were not exactly a military caste in the same vein of the samurai. They were an elite corps of noble youths that were well-trained in the fine arts, royal court functions, as well as military arts. The Hwarang were well-trained, well-disciplined and were a valuable asset to the Shilla kingdom.
Unified Shilla
-Hwarang
Goryeo
-Goryeo Heavy Cavalry
-Sambyeolcho (elite soldier): The Sambyeolcho were an elite force under the control of the Choe military dictatorship. In Korean history, they were well-known for their famous last stand on Jeju Island where they fought to the last man against a combined Goryeo-Mongol army. The loyalties of the Sambyeolcho, however, were not always clear-cut. Nonetheless, they were a significantly powerful fighting force.
-Goryeo War Junk: Ships of the Goryeo era were well-built and known for their ability to weather rough seas. A large number of ships that took part of the Mongols' failed invasions of Japan were Goryeo warships; a large number of ships that survived the typhoon also happened to have consisted mostly of Goryeo-built warships.
-Gwaseon (Spear Ship)
Joseon Dynasty
-Hwacha
-Geobukseon (Turtle Ship)
-Panokseon (War Ship)
-Joseon Royal Guard
-Joseon Tridentman
-Uibyeong (Guerilla)
Daehan Jeguk
-Joseon Rifleman
Tibetan
-Khampa Horseman
For certain East Asian civilizations, there can be numerous possibilities for "unique units" as such civilizations' histories span thousands of years.
Chinese
Shang Dynasty
-Shang Bronze Axeman
Zhou Dynasty
-Zhou War Chariot
Qin Dynasty
-Qin Infantry
Han Dynasty
-Zhuge-Nu / Chu-ko-nu
-Luo Chuan (Tower / Castle Ship)
Tang Dynasty
-Tang Cavalry
-Luo Chuan (Tower / Castle Ship)
Song Dynasty
-Paddle Ship
-Rocketeer
-Fire Lance
Ming Dynasty
-Treasure Ship
-Fuchuan (War Junk)
Japanese
Kofun Period
-Yamato Swordsman
Heian Period
-Samurai Frontier Guard (Light Horse Archer)
Kamakura Period
-Minamoto Samurai Cavalry
Sengoku Jidai
-Samurai Heavy Cavalry
-Kensai
-Sohei
-Ninja
-Ashigaru Arquebusier
Meiji
-Imperial Army Rifleman
Korean
Gojoseon
-Gojoseon Mandolin Daggerman: The "mandolin" shaped dagger is a style of weapon that is unique to early Korean cultures and is not found among other neighboring civilizations. The distribution of these daggers give archeologists an idea over how far the influence of the so-called "Gojoseon" culture spread in Northeast Asia.
Samguk Period
-Goguryeo Cavalry
-Hwarang: Sometimes called "Flower Knights," the Hwarang "flower youths" were not exactly a military caste in the same vein of the samurai. They were an elite corps of noble youths that were well-trained in the fine arts, royal court functions, as well as military arts. The Hwarang were well-trained, well-disciplined and were a valuable asset to the Shilla kingdom.
Unified Shilla
-Hwarang
Goryeo
-Goryeo Heavy Cavalry
-Sambyeolcho (elite soldier): The Sambyeolcho were an elite force under the control of the Choe military dictatorship. In Korean history, they were well-known for their famous last stand on Jeju Island where they fought to the last man against a combined Goryeo-Mongol army. The loyalties of the Sambyeolcho, however, were not always clear-cut. Nonetheless, they were a significantly powerful fighting force.
-Goryeo War Junk: Ships of the Goryeo era were well-built and known for their ability to weather rough seas. A large number of ships that took part of the Mongols' failed invasions of Japan were Goryeo warships; a large number of ships that survived the typhoon also happened to have consisted mostly of Goryeo-built warships.
-Gwaseon (Spear Ship)
Joseon Dynasty
-Hwacha
-Geobukseon (Turtle Ship)
-Panokseon (War Ship)
-Joseon Royal Guard
-Joseon Tridentman
-Uibyeong (Guerilla)
Daehan Jeguk
-Joseon Rifleman
Tibetan
-Khampa Horseman
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Thanks I can probably use some of those names for flavour units aswell. 
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Well i think ur missin sum things in the viet civ for the soldier units..viet empire was also composed of geurilla archers...also they had elephant archers
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Oh and also vietnam had Citadels (mostly built with circular walls circlin one another)
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lol srry for so many replys but.. also for viet civ wen the Trung sisters were in rule vietnam had many female soldiers ..so u can add that as another unique trait :]]
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xxvietprydexx
Welcome to the forums.
There is an edit option on the left of the post so you don't have to post multipible times.
Welcome to the forums.
There is an edit option on the left of the post so you don't have to post multipible times.
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
The list is far from complete. I haven't had any time lately to add on to it, but if you have information (linked with pictures and authoritative sources), just post them here and I'll add them.
xxvietprydexx
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i rlly like this forum its rlly fun!=D and as for my list abov...
here r sum pics i found..mayb they can help?(plz dun h8 if these pics dun help..im still new here ya kno?)
-Viet war elephants
http://www.trucxanh.org/myvsa/images/hai_ba_trung2.gif
-Viet citadels
http://www.electricscotland.com/thomson/images/18.56 Citadel-Hue.jpg
(top view) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/vi/thumb/7/7a/Thanh_co_loa1.jpg/250px-Thanh_co_loa1.jpg
-And as for the archers this picture is connected to vietnams crossbow legend...mite giv sum ideas how to design viet archers..everytime i search sumthin bout viet soldiers or w/e it givs me vietnam war stuffz!><
http://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/Co-LoaAndItsLegend.html
here r sum pics i found..mayb they can help?(plz dun h8 if these pics dun help..im still new here ya kno?)
-Viet war elephants
http://www.trucxanh.org/myvsa/images/hai_ba_trung2.gif
-Viet citadels
http://www.electricscotland.com/thomson/images/18.56 Citadel-Hue.jpg
(top view) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/vi/thumb/7/7a/Thanh_co_loa1.jpg/250px-Thanh_co_loa1.jpg
-And as for the archers this picture is connected to vietnams crossbow legend...mite giv sum ideas how to design viet archers..everytime i search sumthin bout viet soldiers or w/e it givs me vietnam war stuffz!><
http://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/Co-LoaAndItsLegend.html
xxvietprydexx
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heres a website with other info on viet warriors
http://www.eriksedge.com/vietnamswords.html
As for the cities...ther shud be (URL) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lý_Dynasty
(Ly dynasty)
Thang Long (Hanoi)
Hue
Nam Dinh
Hai Phong
AH and i 4got one type of trait...wen the Trung sisters were in rule viet empire had ALOT of women warriors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trung_Sisters
ill do summore research...thats all the cities i can think of that was prolly there during the Ly dynasty which was during the Song dynasty period in china
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for the viet mytholigy ther is also the Giant Hoan Kiem (returned sword) turtle
URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Loi
URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Loi
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
Good to know that it's useful to someone.
Made some updates:
-entry on the Shilla "Golpeum" Bone Ranks government
-entry on Mogao Caves wonder
-added Shiro's Goonin, Sandris' unit pack, and Virote Considon's Steppe Spearmen units to the list of available East Asian units
-updated some entries on the civ list
Made some updates:
-entry on the Shilla "Golpeum" Bone Ranks government
-entry on Mogao Caves wonder
-added Shiro's Goonin, Sandris' unit pack, and Virote Considon's Steppe Spearmen units to the list of available East Asian units
-updated some entries on the civ list
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