SGOTM 06 - Murky Waters
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If not all the time somebody would trample through the danger zone, he probably would just build a worker.
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From the test game I got:Another case of bad memory.
Athens will be unhappy at size 4 already w/o lux (40% motherland at peace, 60% at war).
Alex has to die.
pop3, 4
pop4, 6
pop5, 7
pop6, 9
pop7, 11
Does that sound right?
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Lol. Of course we listen to you...
How about spreading the axes and warrior out on his
, then coming in with the other two while waiting for the London axe to capture his worker?Sounds right.From the test game I got:
pop3, 4
pop4, 6
pop5, 7
pop6, 9
pop7, 11
Does that sound right?
(Pop*600*plot_culture_percent/100)/1000
plot_culture_percent is nearly 100 (but we always get 1 culture, so never exactly 100). Confucius helps, but that takes quite some time until the culture percent goes below, the threshold for size 4 (and then it's still the same
for 5).As I'm sick at home currently and don't know how I'll feel in the evening, I think I just play until I either capture Sparta or not.
So, I got it.
I think the settler building is ok and none will finish till then.
In the meantime everybody can think about
To raze or not to raze, that's the question
So, I got it.
I think the settler building is ok and none will finish till then.
In the meantime everybody can think about
To raze or not to raze, that's the question
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If there's another fish in that fog, it could be a GP farm. Good luck!
That's not really an answer.
BTW, I'm in Sparta, no additional seafood. I got there with 3 axes and a warrior on turn 4 and that was just enough (lost 2 axes) against the 2 reg archers.
I'll pause a bit and if I don't hear any more I raze.
Other question. Masonry in.
Judaism is still not founded. Should we go for it for the next city?
We got good gold from Sparta (72), so that's not much of a problem.
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I guess Org Rel we get Pyramids even cheaper, right? But it's a high maintenance civic (but only 1That's not really an answer.
BTW, I'm in Sparta, no additional seafood. I got there with 3 axes and a warrior on turn 4 and that was just enough (lost 2 axes) against the 2 reg archers.
I'll pause a bit and if I don't hear any more I raze.
Other question. Masonry in.
Judaism is still not founded. Should we go for it for the next city?
We got good gold from Sparta (72), so that's not much of a problem.
now). But will we have a city by then?I thnk I prefer to raze Sparta. No gold there.
Any luck with the worker?
Edit: Really nice would be MOno after settling FP CIty. For the wheat.
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Go for it, if you think it makes sense.
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How many buildings are we planning to build?
. Hannibals copper is offline and he has no chance to prevent pillaging the horses.We have pottery since quite some time
.Well, I think granaries and libraries everywhere should come on the Agenda (maybe not in the now to be built city). Barracks in London and Athens. Lighthouse in Athens.
But currently we are really a bit thin on defenses after Erkon and me. So I really think to get math in, still with the help of a few scientists, then do confucius, slavery, org rel (a lot of revolt) to rush things in Athens with overflow in pyramids. The city built with Timbuktu settler should get Confucius to slave/chop granary and a few missionaries. Then pyramids complete and we revolt again - don't know if we keep org rel then. If we keep the org rel phase short, Timbuktu and London will not profit as they will not have confucius.
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Looks really good. With Confucius and Pyramids, our cities will already be at 10. We should grow Timbuktu and Athens asap and we'll be able to lightbulb Astronomy for fast galleons. Who cares if we "need" it. I don't se why we should leave Org Rel for a long time, if ever. Waste of a turn. And switch to it as soon as any city is ready to build missionaries. Not sure we want slavery before Astronomy. Just fly up the tech chart.
With Alex gone, barbs may be ready to invade our cities. Chariots would be a nice defense against barb axes. I think we should get Maths asap, but also continue making settlers, escorts and workers. At least a couple more cities, one coastal, one inland. Finances shouldn't be a problem too much. We can always capture another Hannibal city for some cash.
We're 3pts to a Great General! What do we do with it?
If I'm not mistaken, using a couple warriors and the axes, we can have the settler go straight on through to FP City. That top axe can go on hill ahead, and the next axe can go two hills (SES) ahead, can't they?
. We should grow Timbuktu and Athens asap and we'll be able to lightbulb Astronomy for fast galleons. Who cares if we "need" it. I don't se why we should leave Org Rel for a long time, if ever. Waste of a turn. And switch to it as soon as any city is ready to build missionaries. Not sure we want slavery before Astronomy. Just fly up the tech chart.With Alex gone, barbs may be ready to invade our cities. Chariots would be a nice defense against barb axes. I think we should get Maths asap, but also continue making settlers, escorts and workers. At least a couple more cities, one coastal, one inland. Finances shouldn't be a problem too much. We can always capture another Hannibal city for some cash.
We're 3pts to a Great General! What do we do with it?
If I'm not mistaken, using a couple warriors and the axes, we can have the settler go straight on through to FP City. That top axe can go on hill ahead, and the next axe can go two hills (SES) ahead, can't they?
Whoa! Played so soon? I thought there was supposed to be some minimum time between turnsets? 
I have a bunch of arguments against researching Monotheism and going OrgRel, but I see that the research part of it is already too late.
<rant mode on> Why waste 10 turns of research (at the current sustainable research rate) on a dead-end tech like Monotheism when it is Maths that is the most important technology now? And we don't need the culture since we can run artists.
<rant mode off>
Anyway, skip Organized religion. We will definitely not benefit from a turn of anarchy, and I don't think the production bonus is very useful. Sure, we gain 75 hammers for the Pyramids and something similar in Athens. But there is no point at all in building missionaries. A missionary costs 60 hammers, so we would need to complete 300 hammers worth of buildings in the target town to break even. Much more than that if we take into account the risk of failure in spreading the religion. Will we ever have the need to invest more than 3-400 hammers into buildings in any of our cities? I don't think so...
Btw, nicely executed turnset, klarius!
(It is the strategy I don't agree with, the play was flawless)
I have a bunch of arguments against researching Monotheism and going OrgRel, but I see that the research part of it is already too late.
<rant mode on> Why waste 10 turns of research (at the current sustainable research rate) on a dead-end tech like Monotheism when it is Maths that is the most important technology now? And we don't need the culture since we can run artists.
<rant mode off>Anyway, skip Organized religion. We will definitely not benefit from a turn of anarchy, and I don't think the production bonus is very useful. Sure, we gain 75 hammers for the Pyramids and something similar in Athens. But there is no point at all in building missionaries. A missionary costs 60 hammers, so we would need to complete 300 hammers worth of buildings in the target town to break even. Much more than that if we take into account the risk of failure in spreading the religion. Will we ever have the need to invest more than 3-400 hammers into buildings in any of our cities? I don't think so...
Btw, nicely executed turnset, klarius!
(It is the strategy I don't agree with, the play was flawless)We will get math before enough trees are pre-chopped.<rant mode on> Why waste 10 turns of research (at the current sustainable research rate) on a dead-end tech like Monotheism when it is Maths that is the most important technology now? And we don't need the culture since we can run artists.
Anyway, skip Organized religion. We will definitely not benefit from a turn of anarchy, and I don't think the production bonus is very useful. Sure, we gain 75 hammers for the Pyramids and something similar in Athens. But there is no point at all in building missionaries. A missionary costs 60 hammers, so we would need to complete 300 hammers worth of buildings in the target town to break even. Much more than that if we take into account the risk of failure in spreading the religion. Will we ever have the need to invest more than 3-400 hammers into buildings in any of our cities? I don't think so...
Btw, nicely executed turnset, klarius!
Always only hammers, hammers, hammers. That's not all. We were going for a strategy with very big cities (maybe not any more
). Happiness is in short supply.The other thing is speed. Get things up faster.
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