This is the biggest difference you will find. IIRC, Org saved about 1000 maintenance/turn in the late game, but rathaus saved 5000/turn more than a courthouse (that's 15,000 total). You can do a lot with 4000 extra gold/turn.
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This is the biggest difference you will find. IIRC, Org saved about 1000 maintenance/turn in the late game, but rathaus saved 5000/turn more than a courthouse (that's 15,000 total). You can do a lot with 4000 extra gold/turn.
Org is 50% off only on Civic Upkeep, not distance, # cities, or corp
Does that clear it up? or am I missing your point?
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Bah. I still can't get anywhere near 10,000. It takes forever to do anything on huge.
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I don't have the detailed numbers, but thx WT, that's what I wanted to answer too
- with 4000 extra per turn and US you can buy like crazy
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I think that Washington is a good leader for milking the population score. Expansive and Creative gives you bonuses to both happiness and healthiness. You can get a population of 8 in the very early game and an additional 1-2 population per city in the late game. Even more if you play long enough to get the American special building and build the three wonders (BW, R&R, and HW).
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Don't neglect the Imperialistic trait of Charlemagne, it gives you 50% bonus to settler production. So in the phase where you spread a lot of cities you benefit from it.
I must agree here, it's a hard work to check a lot of cities each turn for reaching unhappiness. You really learn to use the functions of the "city advisor" effectively
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This is a really time consuming gauntlet. I made my final try with Charlemagne to see the benefit of Rathaus. I played on Terra with low seas and 10 opponents. I warrior rushed 2 neigbors, researched to Paper and got Education from the Oracle. I then focused on cuirassiers and then cavalery and conquered the rest of the 1st world. The rest is settling cities on every possible tile and spreading sushi.
The experience
- the earlier you conqured all civs the better the score, so
- don't use "low seas". It takes too long to get the whole continent
- waiting for cuirassiers takes too long, better get a civ with an early UU which can move 2 tiles
- Rathaus is great
Together with Kremlin you can rushbuy everything you can imagine in the end-game, even expensive wonders are done in 2-3 turns.
- I delayed growth to long to get an overwhelming settler army to settle the new world in the last turn. This only gave me 3000 points.
The question
How could I prevent the AI to build HG? In all my (3) tries the AI built it before I were able to conquer them. With 10 AI I don't collect the spy points fast enough to see where the HG is being built!
The experience
- the earlier you conqured all civs the better the score, so
- don't use "low seas". It takes too long to get the whole continent
- waiting for cuirassiers takes too long, better get a civ with an early UU which can move 2 tiles
- Rathaus is great
Together with Kremlin you can rushbuy everything you can imagine in the end-game, even expensive wonders are done in 2-3 turns.- I delayed growth to long to get an overwhelming settler army to settle the new world in the last turn. This only gave me 3000 points.
The question
How could I prevent the AI to build HG? In all my (3) tries the AI built it before I were able to conquer them. With 10 AI I don't collect the spy points fast enough to see where the HG is being built!
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You have to kill enough AIs to consolidate your EPs going to just a couple of them to see HG. I built it before the end in my aforementioned game as I did not want to fool with keeping more AI cities in regards to maintenance.This is a really time consuming gauntlet. I made my final try with Charlemagne to see the benefit of Rathaus. I played on Terra with low seas and 10 opponents. I warrior rushed 2 neigbors, researched to Paper and got Education from the Oracle. I then focused on cuirassiers and then cavalery and conquered the rest of the 1st world. The rest is settling cities on every possible tile and spreading sushi.
The experience
- the earlier you conqured all civs the better the score, so
- don't use "low seas". It takes too long to get the whole continent
- waiting for cuirassiers takes too long, better get a civ with an early UU which can move 2 tiles
- Rathaus is great
- I delayed growth to long to get an overwhelming settler army to settle the new world in the last turn. This only gave me 3000 points.
The question
How could I prevent the AI to build HG? In all my (3) tries the AI built it before I were able to conquer them. With 10 AI I don't collect the spy points fast enough to see where the HG is being built!
I have finished about 3 more of these plus numerous aborted attempts. I can't come close to my first attempt. 4th place but I keep expecting someone to bump me down. Nevermind trying to break into 3rd. One more try using the total conquest approach mentioned above. I have been taking vassals but I guess that isn't such a good idea after all. 
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If your score is near 150k I don't expect a lot more guys to bypass you. With 3 submitted games and 3 aborted ones I won't try another in this gauntlet. Managing more than 150 cities at the end is really "not amusing".I have finished about 3 more of these plus numerous aborted attempts. I can't come close to my first attempt. 4th place but I keep expecting someone to bump me down. Nevermind trying to break into 3rd. One more try using the total conquest approach mentioned above. I have been taking vassals but I guess that isn't such a good idea after all.
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Finally finished this mammoth gauntlet. Only one attempt but it took two weeks. My final score was only 4,721 so clearly I took completely the wrong approach to this gauntlet but I do not have the patience to try again. I need to go and play a small map to get my sanity back.
....lol?
I just broke my personal record (witch isn't much, worth 9th place now). I played big 'n small, had sushi spread almost every where had loads of cities some tipped lvl 30. Still had to conquer some civs, was just doing justantine wich had like 6 fish resources nearby. I scrolled.... quicktime autoupdate popped up (i always put those off) and crash.... about 7 hours waisted (yeah slow wanted to micro this very and possibly well and learn some more. It's a cruel world we live in... well atleast i don't live in new orleans.
Just maaayyyybeeee another try, i do like this all overpowered feeling you get on these low levels.
I just broke my personal record (witch isn't much, worth 9th place now). I played big 'n small, had sushi spread almost every where had loads of cities some tipped lvl 30. Still had to conquer some civs, was just doing justantine wich had like 6 fish resources nearby. I scrolled.... quicktime autoupdate popped up (i always put those off) and crash.... about 7 hours waisted (yeah slow wanted to micro this very and possibly well and learn some more. It's a cruel world we live in... well atleast i don't live in new orleans.
Just maaayyyybeeee another try, i do like this all overpowered feeling you get on these low levels
.You of all guys say that? What about saving a build cue? All my new cities where doin, granery, theater, Worker, lighthouse (for coastal), forge, levee, Market, bank, harbor, Wealth. And when i felt the need (wich wasn't strong) i jumped in and changed it.
Anyway, yes it's getting tedious wich can clearly been read like it's a understatement.
It was just 100K but I found that, as suggested, conquering the world first works better. I submitted one just over 170K. (Although, I have to wait for Methos or Tone to accept it, which may be a couple days.)
I can probably do better as I had to throw the finish switch earlier that I wanted. I over expanded and got caught by an impending culture expansion. I didn't have a small city left to gift away.
I am not sure I can play this again, though.
You of all guys say that? What about saving a build cue? All my new cities where doin, granery, theater, Worker, lighthouse (for coastal), forge, levee, Market, bank, harbor, Wealth. And when i felt the need (wich wasn't strong) i jumped in and changed it.
Anyway, yes it's getting tedious wich can clearly been read like it's a understatement.
You can change all the build queues at the same time. For example, IIRC, alt-click on your capitol's current build. All cities should be flashing as if selected. Then if you do something like ctrl-Courthouse, all cities that don't have a courthouse will build one first and then continue with whatever was in the queue. I usually end with Shift-Wealth. Is my notation making sense?
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FYI: I am using up to 5 build queues.You of all guys say that? What about saving a build cue? All my new cities where doin, granery, theater, Worker, lighthouse (for coastal), forge, levee, Market, bank, harbor, Wealth. And when i felt the need (wich wasn't strong) i jumped in and changed it.
Anyway, yes it's getting tedious wich can clearly been read like it's a understatement.
1st: Granary,Courthouse,Catapult/Cannon,Lighthouse,Wealth
2nd: Workboat,(1st)
3rd: Workboat,(2nd)
4th: Harbor,Aqueduct,Grocer (for the 1st health boost)
5th: Supermarket,PublicTransport,Hospital (for the 2nd health boost)
what I meant is that checking F1 statistics each turn to see which city needs what ... boring
WastinTime: Ow wow thats somethin new. Perfect sense, CTRL to put it in front (cities that have it won't build it and shift wealth to close off all build cues with wealth. I am definetly gonna use that.
HHG: Wow, your checking city advisor each turn? I only do that when determining my specialization cities. What exactly do you look for? Just health and happienes or more stuff?
Anyway it doesn't realy matter what you build in a city for domination score victory right? Just make sure it can grow asap bigger cities with (emphasize food button) the rest isn't that importand i think. And offcourse keeping your economie running but a couple of courthouses, banks and those religion wonder buildings you get from G profits will keep you running. Or am i missing a point here and realy micromanage every single citie each turn will double your score or something?
HHG: Wow, your checking city advisor each turn? I only do that when determining my specialization cities. What exactly do you look for? Just health and happienes or more stuff?
Anyway it doesn't realy matter what you build in a city for domination score victory right? Just make sure it can grow asap bigger cities with (emphasize food button) the rest isn't that importand i think. And offcourse keeping your economie running but a couple of courthouses, banks and those religion wonder buildings you get from G profits will keep you running. Or am i missing a point here and realy micromanage every single citie each turn will double your score or something?
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As I tried to explain somewhere above, i use the City Advisor Screen (F1) and sort by happiness and check the unhappy cities, I then sort by health and check the unhealthy cities (open city and press the appropriate queue-shortcut). 3rd I sort by maintenance cost and rushbuy Courthouses where needed. To summarize: Most of my cities are building Wealth and if they run into un-happiness/health I either stop growth, raise culture slider or assign a build-queue. For new cities I have build-queues 1-3 ready.
Yes - most points you got from early win and population.
@HolyHandGrenade, sorry but I knocked you out of 3rd. place by about 200-300 points.
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I was kind of surprised with the score. I was around 146K the next to the last turn. I got everything worked out for the last turn like I heard. i.e. Settling a most of the empty places. Building Hanging Gardens. I even put everything into culture which popped the boarders of most of the new cities.
I am not sure I get the whole build queue thing though. I went for things like granery, aquaduct, lighthouse and maybe theaters. Although the last got me into trouble as the border expansion forced me to go with zero culture and the resulting unhappiness in my biggest cities during the end game. I barely got suschi built and only had time to spread it to a dozen cities.
I concentrated on irrigating everything. Even to the point of replacing cottages. What civics are everyone using?
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I was kind of surprised with the score. I was around 146K the next to the last turn. I got everything worked out for the last turn like I heard. i.e. Settling a most of the empty places. Building Hanging Gardens. I even put everything into culture which popped the boarders of most of the new cities.
I am not sure I get the whole build queue thing though. I went for things like granery, aquaduct, lighthouse and maybe theaters. Although the last got me into trouble as the border expansion forced me to go with zero culture and the resulting unhappiness in my biggest cities during the end game. I barely got suschi built and only had time to spread it to a dozen cities.
I concentrated on irrigating everything. Even to the point of replacing cottages. What civics are everyone using?
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