FfH2 0.33 Bug Thread

I don't think this was intended way of it. Shouldn't these upgrades only affect spellcasters?
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Thats intended.
And now some history:
Spoiler :
Versions ago priest spells also requiered spell spheres and priests trained by govannon had an incredible amount of spells.
Then divine units got blocked.
After divine spell casting got tied to religion instead of spell spheres they got the ability to get trained back.
 
MagisterCultuum said:
I also think that the spheres he can train should be reworked. From the lore, it seems like he should teach mostly Enchantment, Body, and Spirit magic, not necromancy. I'd rather he be able to train all spheres, or make it so that his training is a passive effect where you can't control what he teaches to whom. Lorewise, he doesn't like people telling him whom he can or cannot teach. Thats why he won't just accept a position as an Archmage in the Mage Guild and become a leader in the Magical Aristocracy that runs the nation. He thinks that it is not power that corrupts, but, hoarding power for oneself that corrupts, so he share forbidden knowledge to everyone.
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I agree. From my time playing D&D back in the days, I found that the biggest problem with the Gary Gygax system was that you only got experience for killing people. This really made it hard on magic-users (showing my age with THAT term) because the best way they could be used in their early years was by using spells that either hindered the foe or helped their own fighters. So spells like Blur, Haste seem to fall into that 'combat support' way that makes their own troops either harder to defeat or better in combat.

So yes, I'm very much in agreement with you! :p
 
Also, I would like to point out that Priests are actually one of the best units to train, second only to possibly cavalry and hawks. Hawks are cheap and highly mobile, so a few dozen of them trained to summon skeletons basically form a perfect defense. Any time a city gets in danger, rebase and summon skeletons until the problem goes away. Priests have Channeling II, which means that they can learn 2nd-level arcane spells of the trainable spheres. Regeneration and Shadowwalk can make them amazing for support, while Fireball and Specters are good for offense. High Priests get the corresponding 3rd-level spells, for even more fun.
 
do units taught my govannon to cast a spell need that sphere's mana to cast it ?

i.e. govannon teaches a warrior how to cast "raise skeleton" . I have no death mana. will the warrior be able to use that spell he has just learned?
 
Yes it will. Currently, mana is only used for getting the first level promotion of each sphere, not for actually using the magic or purchasing later levels of the spell.
 
well then I definitely agree that it would greatly benefit from a change, it doesn't really make sense nor is it balanced to cast spells without the appropriate mana - unless of course it's an intended feature of the Amurites...

edit: and I agree that "raise skeleton" doesn't look like one of the spells he'd train everyone in casting :lol: something lik Enchant Blade would make a lot more sense imho ;)
 
Hmm, that doesn't work quite right though. I mean, Govannon has to have Death I to be able to cast "Teach raise skeleton". So except for rare cases of him gaining the mana, then gaining the promotion, then losing it again, you won't be having him teach spells your adepts couldn't learn.
 
That cases is really not particularly rare, thanks to Metemagic II.


In my versions, I make all sphere promotions require the resource. If it could be done though xml/sdk prereqs instead of requiring processor intensive python calls, I'd also make them rquire you still control the mana source in order to cast the spell.
 
Kael said:
I don't know, a 32 bit int is pretty big.
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Yes, it goes up to 2^31-1, or roughly 2,000,000,000. Hack off 5 zeroes for the 100,000 multiplier in there (near bCheapBooster - yes there's a division later, but that doesn't matter to the overflow), and that's 20,000. hack of 2,000 for a random variable, that's 18,000. Then take a high tech flavor (90) * 20 * a high leader flavor (90) =162,000, which gives roughly -144,000 left for the raw value of the technology. A tech with a single (valuable) unit can get into the 1,800 + range, never mind one that gives more than that.

If you really want, I can construct an exact example, but I'll note that I was getting extremely suspicious large negative values in this function before I touched any of the code or XML that would affect its values.

Looking at the numbers above again, unless they use very small numbers for flavors in BtS, this is rather defective.

Support:

Cheap Booster:
Spoiler :
Code: 
								if (bIgnoreCost)
								{
									iValue *= (1 + (getResearchTurnsLeft(((TechTypes)iI), false)));
									iValue /= 10;
								}
								else
								{
									if (iValue > 0)
									{
									    //this stops quick speed messing up.... might want to adjust by other things too...
									    int iAdjustment = GC.getGameSpeedInfo(GC.getGameINLINE().getGameSpeedType()).getResearchPercent();

									    int iTurnsLeft = getResearchTurnsLeftTimes100(((TechTypes)iI), false);
									    bool bCheapBooster = ((iTurnsLeft < (2 * iAdjustment)) && (0 == ((bAsync) ? GC.getASyncRand().get(5, "AI Choose Cheap Tech") : GC.getGameINLINE().getSorenRandNum(5, "AI Choose Cheap Tech"))));


										[B]iValue *= 100000;[/B]

                                        iValue /= (iTurnsLeft + (bCheapBooster ? 1 : (5 * iAdjustment)));
									}
								}

Flavor:
Spoiler :
Code: 
								if (!isHuman())
								{
									for (iJ = 0; iJ < GC.getNumFlavorTypes(); iJ++)
									{
										[B]iValue += (AI_getFlavorValue((FlavorTypes)iJ) * GC.getTechInfo((TechTypes)iI).getFlavorValue(iJ) * 20);[/B]
									}
								}
 
MagisterCultuum said:
That cases is really not particularly rare, thanks to Metemagic II.


In my versions, I make all sphere promotions require the resource. If it could be done though xml/sdk prereqs instead of requiring processor intensive python calls, I'd also make them rquire you still control the mana source in order to cast the spell.
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Actually, now that I think on it, I think I did have access to Death Mana via the Broken Slepchur. However, I was under the impression the amount of Death Mana determined how many skeletons you could summon. I had one, yet could summon 10+ via different units.
 
Death mana has nothing to do with the number of skeletons you can have. The only limit is the number of units you have that have the Death I promotion. For each one, you can summon 1 skeleton.
 
In normal FfH it is tied purely to the number units with the ability to cast the spell, but all the summons can actually be done by the same unit. In FF, there is a 1 to 1 correspondence between caster and summon. I believe I heard that this part of FF may be added to the main mod in the next version.
 
Another bug (do not know if ever mentioned before): when I found my capital on cotton it becomes directly available as a ressource, though I do not have plantations yet and this occurs in opposite to all the other luxury ressources (wine, sugar,...)
 
I'm guessin that's because cotton has no Tech_trade prereq. try opening up civ4bonusinfos.xml in ffh folder/assets/xml/terrain ( wordpad is fine for that) . search for "cotton" , one of the first lines should be something like <tech_trade>xxx</tech_trade> . if that xxx is "NONE" , then I guessed right :D in that case, replacing "NONE" with "TECH_CALENDAR" should fix that.

(I'd do this myself, but I have no ffh on this pc)
 
[to_xp]Gekko;7279116 said:
I'm guessin that's because cotton has no Tech_trade prereq. try opening up civ4bonusinfos.xml in ffh folder/assets/xml/terrain ( wordpad is fine for that) . search for "cotton" , one of the first lines should be something like i<tech_trade>xxx</tech_trade> . if that xxx is "NONE" , then I guessed right :D in that case, replacing "NONE" with "TECH_CALENDAR" should fix that.

(I'd do this myself, but I have no ffh on this pc)
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Right. It might just be corrected in general. (I do not see the point in changing this locally for myself).
 
Meister Maggi said:
Another bug (do not know if ever mentioned before): when I found my capital on cotton it becomes directly available as a ressource, though I do not have plantations yet and this occurs in opposite to all the other luxury ressources (wine, sugar,...)
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Feature, Not Bug #14
 
I seem to have a WoC bug. I apologize if this has been caught before, didn't see anything in search. Game started under 0.33 patch e. Updated to patch g, but that didn't seem to help (save is still e, however...)
 

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Meister Maggi said:
but why? And why Cotton only?
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It isn't only for Cotton, it is just that the other resources you mentioned have tech prereqs before you can get the resource, whether though an improvement or through a city.
 
Apparently Loki is unable to use his superpower of flipping cities with the Infernal?

As often happens, Hyborem was summoned and built his first city, Dis, right on my border. I had Loki nearby and the same turn he settled Dis, I sent Loki in to work his magic. Pffft! No flipping.

OK, I suppose it would be a huge exploit if you could dispatch Hyborem and his gang this way, but why doesn't it work?

Further, I sent Loki along with the first two Settlers Hyborem built and tried to flip their cities and it didn't work again.

Are Infernal cities automatically built "with culture" and unflippable?

BTW, I have to admit one of the most fun things in the mod is having Loki run around flipping cities - especially big ones that have been conquered and are in the turns of unrest. :)
 
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