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Moosezilla said:
I have seen 4 or 5 different unit types emerge from huts and different names for tribes. The agents "creeping about" could be a result of random "investigation". Further you could use a set per era.
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Your approach is certainly valid for loose agents. Those are barbarians. We're talking a little at cross-purposes - I'm looking for a way for minor characters associated with particular civilizations (such as Flashman for the British, or Vidocq for the French) to appear without necessitating another unit design.
 
Sure, we all have a little captain in us, but if an agent were to be "friendly" could not this involve "double agents" or moles? How does one infiltrate an enemy force? Don't we see examples of an agents death reported or criminal charges trumped up. Haven't there been instances of criminals used for good? If each were able to be "turned" through enslavement or "mind control".... In the same way that captured workers are "labeled" with civ names why couldn't the agents? Perhaps too random an Idea?
 
Ah! you've seen this post. Interesting idea, and a great way to increase the number and variety of barbarians. Because the Lost World map has so many different terrains and cultures (earth, martian, moon, etc.) I've been using spiders and snakes as barbarians, figuring that if anything could be common in these terrains, that's probably it. I could use that trick to produce more creepy-crawly things in the goody huts, but there would again be a duplication risk, as between the Selenites, Vril and Mahar, we've likely assigned most available vermin to one of them already.
But I see huge potential for this kind of thing in other mods, in fact, I have certain use for it in other projects that I have currently languishing on the pile of 'things to do'. Imagine, for instance, a scenario set in the mountains: a goody hut (cave) could produce regular barbarians (black bears and grizzley bears), but also using that trick, might produce mountain lions or beavers which, when captured, become tradeable pelts which could upgrade to rifles. Very interesting idea.
 
Yes B. I did see that post. And being as how a major modern villain exits in his cave today (thanks to W.) perhaps finding a unit like him to "sacrifice" to cults or war weariness would be useful. Or maybe sabotage or terrorism would be it's purpose. If the huts are remote and hard to reach (Stanley & Livingston),it might be possible on a mod map to put designated sets (to maintain randomness) of good,evil,alien,human,neutral,etc., as your discovery. I'm sorry that it doesn't seem to reduce the copious workload you guys got, but my beer & pretzels always end with extreme rules permutations.
 
Random thoughts on units:

If you have yet to settle on a suitable "Nautilus Marine" -
Spoiler :
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R8XFT's "Parivarameykappargal", which roughly translates as "Indian Guy with a Trishul (Trident)". It's only available in the AD mod as far as I know - no individual release.
Some more concept art - the ACW carrier was experimentally tested as a launch platform for observation balloons.
Spoiler :
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Quinzy's Olai Robot is another possible late-era UU; I apologize if you've already seen it.


On a more serious (as to military design) note:
I've been perusing a bit of the web (looking for chthonian civilizations, actually) & came across quite a bit of material on J. P. Holland's early submarine designs. He built versions for both the Royal Navy & the USA. He also had acquired the Intelligent Whale, which had built by others & preceded his designs. It was capable of carrying 7 in addition to the needed crew. In trials a diver left it while submerged & planted a mine on a target scow! I'm not sure which of Wyrmshadow's subs you had in mind for Nemo, but his "Fulton's Nautilus" could be a suitable stand in for any of these. Look at the pictures in the links to compare.
 
You'll be glad to know that Quinzy's Olai Robot will be extensively used by the Uga civilization in the Lost Worlds mod. Wyrmshadow's Fulton Submarine is also on the menu, as well as both of his Nautilus designs. As for the whale sub, the latest biq has the Nautilus upgrade from a "captured whale" immobile unit (the Megaladon). I imagined the back story for this is that the skeleton of the whale is used in the construction of the sub itself. The real reason is that I needed something to upgrade to Nautilis, and the whale was as good as any other idea I had.....
 
Balthasar said:
Wyrmshadow's Fulton Submarine is also on the menu, as well as both of his Nautilus designs. As for the whale sub, the latest biq has the Nautilus upgrade from a "captured whale" immobile unit (the Megaladon). I imagined the back story for this is that the skeleton of the whale is used in the construction of the sub itself. The real reason is that I needed something to upgrade to Nautilis, and the whale was as good as any other idea I had.....
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Except for the detail that I'd say he modeled it on the whale (hydrodynamic slipstream, etc.) I'd say it's a fine backstory.
 
KingArthur said:
"Nautilus Marine" - Nice. I hadn't known about that unit.
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Balthasar said:
I also like the idea - and the suggested unit!
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It's been a long time since June, I know:
KingArthur said:
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? suggested unit to fill this place.
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This is a list of units for the scenario. Feel free to suggest more. I've still to add in the some of the other units.
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?Nautilus Marine Sandris Indian Marine.
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;)

Balthasar said:
Of course, if we do that, then we have to give Ker Kerraje a "pirate" unit too.
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I think there may be something suitable in the "Mughal" scenario - I'll take a look.
 
Balthasar said:
I also like the idea - and the suggested unit! Of course, if we do that, then we have to give Ker Kerraje a "pirate" unit too.
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how about ShiroKobbure's Periwa? Possible unit names: "Ianun" is Malay for pirate; the Orang Laut "sea people" were a piratical culture.

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As a reference for suitability, here's an image of Ker Karraje from an old edition of Facing the Flag:

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7ronin said:
How about a steam powered ballista to shoot down steam powered airships?
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If such a thing were created, I would certainly use it. What we do have is called a "cloudbuster". There is no unit created for it yet (right now it's a "building" with defense against attack), but if you could imagine a steam-powered orchestra bassoon section you'd be not far away from it. If you thought Tower of Power had a "killer" horn section you ain't seen nothing....
 
7ronin said:
How about a steam powered ballista to shoot down steam powered airships?
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Balthasar said:
If such a thing were created, I would certainly use it. What we do have is called a "cloudbuster". There is no unit created for it yet (right now it's a "building" with defense against attack), but if you could imagine a steam-powered orchestra bassoon section you'd be not far away from it. If you thought Tower of Power had a "killer" horn section you ain't seen nothing....
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Discussed a couple of different places in our project subforum. Image from "Cloudbusting" video by Kate Bush. Japanese War Tuba that was the image used to make the "Cloudbusting Tech" Icon (in lower right corner).

Just for grins, I think I'll put this on the "list", Balthasar. ;)
 
Blue Monkey said:
Just for grins, I think I'll put this on the "list", Balthasar. ;)
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:goodjob: No reason not to. Speaking of the list, I found an image of a fellow we'd like to have built, in the background there:

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It's "The Falcon" from the "League of Marvels", a knock-off of the LoEG using Marvel comics characters. I really like the mustache on his "Hulk" on the right, there too - a good idea for anyone who makes us a "Mr Hyde".
 
Balthasar said:
:goodjob: No reason not to. Speaking of the list, I found an image of a fellow we'd like to have built, in the background there:

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It's "The Falcon" from the "League of Marvels", a knock-off of the LoEG using Marvel comics characters. I really like the mustache on his "Hulk" on the right, there too - a good idea for anyone who makes us a "Mr Hyde".
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That's a good image to add to the others Plotinus posted of the flying commando. He's on the list. Can you post a link to more info about the League of Marvels?
 
Sure I can. Firstly, while looking for appropriate images for the characters we're looking for, I came across two very talented model makers SILLOF and Glorbes. Glorbes, along with another artist, Joshua Izzo, a.k.a. "gntlmn1220" apparently created the League of Marvels models for a Comecon Convention. I'm glad you asked me to do this, Blue Monkey; I wouldn't have found this better picture of the Falcon!
Glorbes has also done great models of several of the Edgar Rice Burroughs characters we use in the Lost Worlds Mod.

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Y'know, looking at all those models on the "fwoosh" site will turn your brain into comic pulp if you do it too long.....
 
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