King of the World #7: Saladin

Fred would seem to be heading to Military science, as you've held rifling for 22 turns, and he's researched both Chemistry & steel, but No astronomy, I'd guess he's now heading to Military science for Grenadiers for anti Rifling units. With your Strong Calvary army, you can hold off Gren's, but if he now heads to Rifling to counter your Calvary, your back on tech parity, but down steel.

Espionage, you've virtually ignored this, why not direct all points to Frederick, and ACTUALLY see what he's up to, instead of having us and you guess all time.

Honestly, I'd forget the east for the moment, send ALL Calvary westwards and hit FREDERICK NOW. A mass running army of Calvary, pillaging and killing, followed up by rifles and siege, will quickly wrap this game up.

I believe you should allway's attack No 1, rest can fight each other for the table scraps, and you can eliminate them individually at your own leisure.
 
So, the blocs are:

Montezuma/Roosevelt
Frederick/Hatshepsut/Mansa Musa/Cyrus/Louis XIV
Catherine and her pals

You have a severely weakened Qin, an OCC Hatshepsut, and a three-city Cyrus. At the same time, there's a friendly Frederick and a pissy Russia.

My solution? Go down (preferably up, though) in flames, with the whole word coming with you. Marshal some troops and declare war on Hatshepsut. Seize Zhou and take her off the map. Your Russian soldiers should be withdrawn to Persia, swamping Cyrus. Take a Malinese city if you want and secure Ankara (again), then make peace. Build up, and attack Frederick. Take down your enemies one at a time. Keep a few nice traders around that you can cozy up with, and you're all set.
 
At this point, I like Neal's plan. Clean up the east, then sweep west through Gehghis and Cathy. When the war with Frederick comes, the fewer distractions on distant borders, the better.

(though you will want to keep a stack handy to finally finish Hatty, after 3000 years)
 
Neal plan may back fire if toku decides to drop a stack near Osaka or through hatty and qsh and catch him off pace. Not more than a war at the the time would be ideal now.
 
By the way, you really should prioritize Steel for Cannons more. Those things will let your offensive last much longer.
 
I dont see the draw to a war with Mongols. You dont need his land for prod or commerce to get ready for the real war with Germany. You dont need his land for access to anywhere. Can't you still bribe him into war with China? You have enough enemies that are stronger or weaker or better prizes.

IPEX's analysis of a Germany war sounds bold and decisive to me, and certainly dramatic. Perhaps a pillaging stack through Germany and a conquering stack to cow or crush his vassals? Mansa Makes a good vassal and would secure a flank. Eliminating Cyrus may consolidate your borders and make defense easier. And we all know youve been itchin to wipe hatty off the map for 2000 years!
 
re: Steel- Everyone has Steel, nobody has Steam Power. At this point, I figure I can trade for Steel without much worry. But yeah, Cannons would have been nice to have at the beginning of these wars with China and Russia.

re: Siege in general- I have a nasty habit of using my siege (even my barrage siege) for collateral damage. It's a short-sighted bad habit, I know. I'm working on it :)

re: Freddie- Yeah, I think I'm going to beeline Infantry, mop up the east as quickly as I can, and try to meet him with overwhelming force. Land is power, right? So long as I control more than he does, time is on my side. Unless the Emperor production bonuses are absolutely ridiculous, that is...

re: Frederick's technology- That's a big part of why I want to wait. I don't want Germany's garrisons magically transforming into Riflemen when I don't really have anything better. Better to keep him happy until I have my borders secure and an overwhelming force built up.

re: Espionage- Good call. Espionage points devoted to, say, China are kind of wasted at this point. Reallocation will definitely be a priority next round.

re: Catherine "and her pals"- I don't think she really has any friends left. Which is why I'm somewhat nervous that she'll join the German bloc before I get a chance to finish her off.
 
re: Freddie- Yeah, I think I'm going to beeline Infantry, mop up the east as quickly as I can, and try to meet him with overwhelming force. Land is power, right? So long as I control more than he does, time is on my side. Unless the Emperor production bonuses are absolutely ridiculous, that is...
At least 25% of Fred's power will come from the vassals he has. Since neither they nor he actually build many troops, that war should be a breeze when the time comes.

Workshopping and watermilling Mongolia and Russia gets you crazy production on this map so finishing off Cathy and Genghis seems like a reasonable course of action to me. I'd pick up steel and RR before AL, so you can get working on a network to move your infantry fast. Focus on getting arty after that, because AI machine guns will be a real pain otherwise.
 
Catherine will definitely vassal to Fred, probably even before you manage to break her spine down. So when you move against her you should be prepared to war the world ( except the American dudes... monty can be a wild card in there: like I said I've seen him to capture berlin once in this map ;) )

I don't dislike the idea of getting on GK, but I must reckon that his land will only look minimally atractive with SP and heavily watermilled/windmilled/workshopped. So this depends a lot of the tech path you want now: or you go straingth to infantry and then it is better to strike Fred or you go RR and make a detour through Siberia while building up the killer stack for Fred.
 
If it were me, I'd go all in with a lightning cavalry strike on the heart of the German empire - trying to take out Fred's core cities in a few turns with multiple cavalry stacks. This would effectively end the game.

The pros:
- you have a decisive military tech advantage at the moment. Fred has neither grens nor rifles, and cavs will make mincemeat of his military.
- Germany isn't really that big. Take 4 core cities and it will fold.

The cons:
- poor espionage leaves you with no idea of how close Fred is to military counter-units, or what his research path is.
- I have no idea of whether this is logistically possible or not. You can't afford to wait 7-10 turns to do this without knowing Fred's tech situation.
- No sure if there's any scouting of Fred's defensive posture.
- It's a gamble. ;)

Just my .02 :commerce:
 
Take out Roosevelt! America is weak, and it will allow you to gain land and resources. With those, you can build more and more soldiers and finally take out Monty with enough Camels and Macemen.
 
Hey, guys. I'm in term paper hell, so the next round is probably looking at late Monday, early Tuesday. Of course, after that, I'll be home free until January, so we can wrap this game up. Thanks for your patience.
 
Ack. Fell to page 2. An interesting round, though things didn't quite go according to plan. I'll post it tonight.

You didn't kill everyone :confused: It was a simple plan so tell us how it all went south :lol:
 
You didn't kill everyone :confused: It was a simple plan so tell us how it all went south :lol:

"Just kill them... bam, bam, bam, bam... How is this a bad plan?"

100 Fetch points* to whoever can tell me what movie that came from.

*Redeemable for off-topic posts and thread bumps worldwide.


-- OR --

Two words: Freddie Rape.
 
"Just kill them... bam, bam, bam, bam... How is this a bad plan?"

100 Fetch points* to whoever can tell me what movie that came from.

*Redeemable for off-topic posts and thread bumps worldwide.

Count of Monte Cristo?

On topic - game is done - just a matter of how and when. You can likely hold what you wish in the east and completely trample Europe as you see fit at this point.
 
I think Neal is in a pretty good position. The next main threat is Germany. A bit ironic considering you have to take out Germany in modern war. If only you had been cyrus...
 
Alright everyone, place ya bets, place ya bets...

I'm guessing Qin and/or Cathy capitulated to Germany and now he has a monster on his hands. :king:
 
In this round, we learned who our friends really are.

The first few turns were uneventful. Healing troops on the eastern front, sending siege weapons to the Baltic Sea, trudging steadily toward Steam Power.

The round proper started when the treaty with Russia ran out:

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I wasn't quite as ready as I would have liked, but every turn I waited was another turn for Catherine to work her feminine wiles on Frederick.

I easily weathered her offensive stack:

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Gotta love Cavalry's new flank attack feature.

A few years later, my veteran eastern army was healed up and in position outside of Osaka. It was time to conduct a quick raid on Mr. Grumpy-Pants:

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I didn't have boats to take the fight to the home islands, but Osaka was prize enough, especially when you consider the fact that its annoying culture was choking out my Chinese holdings.

In 1525, Qin Shi Huang, with his *ahem*loss of clout in international affairs, found his hold on the papacy short-lived:

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Isabella ended up winning it. Not great, but not terrible. I guess. You can also see the event indicator for the Running of the Bulls starting in Mogadishu. I paid the 50 bucks, if only to help that two-square cultural hole fill in. It didn't, but whatever. I'm all about the bread and circuses.

As my siege weapons rumbled toward Moscow, I sent my quick-hitting Cavalry (and 2-move Great General Rifleman) to strike at the lightly-defended Yaroslavl:

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I kept it. Not great, but not terrible. And, big picture, I'm running out of time. Land is not only power, it's a victory condition.

It turned out that Catherine also had a (hideously obsolete) stack tooling around in Africa:

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That was picked apart pretty easily.

Out east, my troops converged on the city of Osaka:

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No wonders, but a couple of Great People. Not a bad haul.

With Osaka taken, it was time to let Tokugawa off the hook. Again.

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Japan is like the Quickie Mart of battlefields. Get in, conquer it, and get out.

In 1550, with Steam Power researched, I decided to found a city to fill a hole and grab a pair of Coal fields:

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Not a big deal, but it felt nice to build a Settler again.

As with the last round, while the conquests on the Pacific front were largely cheery color guard parades, the battle in Russia was a bloody fistfight. After the quick conquest of Yaroslavl, my troops settled into the long, painful siege of Moscow, whose Knights and Longbows turned into Cuirassers and Grenadiers before my eyes. In 1555, the death blow was finally struck:

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With Moscow taken, Catherine was willing to kneel in capitulation, but not to give up cities or technology. So, bloodied as my troops were, I chose to continue the fight.

My ragtag quick-strike forces swept north from Yaroslavl, burning its sister city:

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That was apparently the last straw for the harried Russian empress. Sometime during her flight from Moscow, as the news of Yekaterinburg's burning finally broke her spirit, and she leapt into the arms of the only man who would have her:

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This was a slap to the face. I mean, sure, I was planning on betraying Mongolia in the next two or three turns, but at the moment, we were friends! How dare he take Russia's side over mine? This was unforgivable.

I had no choice but to take my massive stack of hardened veterans, which just so happened to be hanging out a turn away from his borders, and invade:

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The Mongols are a hardy, warlike folk, but, on the Earth map, they're never very advanced. Their meager weapons were no match for the Arabian state of the art:

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Those Generals will come in handy, I guess. Karakorum will make a fine Cannon depot.

Genghis Khan, like all great warlords, had a massive stack that he had been saving up for a rainy day, and, apparently, with his capitol in Arab hands, it was pouring. So, just what tricks did he have up his sleeve?

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... That would have been mighty scary 3000 years ago. Now, it's little more than a roadbump. My Cannons, left out in the field, were sadly chewed up, but they acquitted themselves well on the field of battle. My Cavalry and such mopped up the rest of the stack, then settled in to find Mongol brides and... replenish their numbers.

Back west, the remnants of my army were as healed as they were going to be. It was time for a march on Rostov and St. Petersburg. With those cities taken, Russia would be permanently reduced to a Siberian remnant. Unfortunately, it seemed that the Khan was everpresent:

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How did THAT sneak by me!? Thankfully, I did a little bit of damage to the stack and it retreated, possibly to defend the Mongolian core.

My stack limped into position outside Rostov:

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At this point, I had no siege and almost no technological advantage. I was winning with sheer numbers, and those numbers were dwindling. Reinforcements were trickling in, but not quickly enough.

In 1595, Isabella showed us all why she is a spiteful #$%^* and deserves to die:

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So what would be easier? Suffering +5 :mad: in all of my cities (which were already suffering from war weariness and demands for emancipation) or having to send a small stack to retake Osaka? I chose to simply vote no and, thankfully, that was enough. Up your nose with a rubber hose, Izzy!

My eastern forces, meanwhile, marched up to Beshbalik. I had no siege, but the garrison was outdated enough that I wasn't worried:

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I should have been.

"Dear Mrs. Zotl,

It is our solemn duty to report that your husband Auit and his Cavalry unit perished bravely in battle in Mongolia. He made the ultimate sacrifice to the Arabian people. He will be remembered for his valor and mobility.

Sincerely,

Saladin
President of Arabia"

Argh. A 110 XP Great General lost at 95% odds. Ah, well. C'est la vie.

I took Beshbalik in his honor:

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And, in the west, Catherine's last relevant city fell:

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So that's where I decided to call it a round. Railroads is almost done, so my idle workers will finally have something to do, I have accomplished most of my objectives in the war (despite the fact that Genghis isn't willing to talk to me), and the troops (and citizenry) are tired and ready for a regroup. State of the world to follow.
 
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