[MODMOD] Legacy of Erebus: Nuova Alba

Opera said:

@Nonobots:
I can't start your savegame. How did you install LE? In a new folder?
By the way, are the Scions in your game? Well, simpler: which civ is in your game?

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I think I'm gonna reinstall, I'm getting a lot of quirks no one else is reporting (no settlers on start and lots of errors)

I might have messed something while browsing the python.

These errors are upsetting... I hope they aren't from the mod

I do not/never have had these problems with base Orbis, so that may unfortunetly be the case Opera

Opera said:

This is kind of strange... I usually seen the original intro after the FfH intro when I start a game right after having played one et being gone back to the main menu.

When you play vanilla FfH, do you have the same issues?

If not, is someone else having them?

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I get that all the time, both with FfH and Rise of Darkness.

What is strange is that I didn't experiment those bugs myself... I will be more able to do debugging in three or four days when I will get back to my house.

I remember getting a "no settler on start" bug when I added the Ngomele. I forgot to make them LimitedSelection to 0... But I doubt it would be that.

Edit: BTW, is any of you updated to 3.19 and/or FfH 0.41b? This will cause big issues (well, I think nothing would start, but I'm not sure).

More background text, building on Talos' story arc. This time for Pelgadee...

It sounded like a simple job, but that was just because you couldn't see the tricky side. Smuggling holy texts to dissidents in a foreign land should have been a simple job too. Peldagee was always keen to spread the word, and the opportunity to earn a little money on the side was even better. Shame one of the metal-heads had invented a device to audit the trail of their currency. The tech-priests picked her up shortly afterwards.

The high priest, a brute of a thing (Pelgadee hesitated to call him a man), offered her a choice. She could work in the salt mines or she perform a small favour for him. Just like the metal-heads to offer a choice of no choice at all.

She was instructed to sell a golden hair to a young Grigori named Menec and tell him it came from the Tomb of Sucellus. It sounded like blasphemy, and she briefly thought about reconsidering, but she was keen to learn why two nations who had abandoned the gods were trying to pass off a fake relic for a real one.

Menec wasn't too difficult to fool. He could be a little hot-headed, but she found that if she broached the subject of his adventures, he quickly got caught up spinning his own glory. After that it was easy, an appreciative nod here, a flattering smile there... and just before dawn she slipped out of the bed and took a few Mechanos coins from his pouch. She made sure they got back to the metal-heads; their tracking devices would clearly show that she got them from Menec and they'd presume her mission had been a success.

Later on, she heard that Menec had chartered a ship from the Lljosfar to Mechania. Maybe, he really had recovered a relic from the Tomb of Sucellus. If so, Pelgadee knew that a holy relic now lay in the hands of heathens and would have to be liberated.

Now that sounded like a simple job.

Palgadee ought have an AI leaning towards FoL. She should get to get a -2 malus towards any agnostic nations. She should have a -6 relationship towards Talos ("You tried to get me to commit blasphemy"). Her relationship towards Menec ought to be -4 ("You possess a great treasure")

Talos gets a -3 malus towards Peldagee ("_ReLiGiOn UnNeCeSsArY iN mEcHaNiA")

Menec gets a +2 bonus towards Pelgadee ("We shared a night of passion")

Why a bonus towards FoL? This seems inappropriate, considering her picture (and her civilization).

I don't really like the fact that she's using her body to fool Menec but I think this is because I'm a bit naive It's an interesting story, though. At least, 3 leaders have a background, now (I think... Palgadee, Talos... You send me a Menec story too, didn't you?).

I really should work on the text displayed to explain a relation... I like yours

I have not upgraded to 3.19 yet.

@blade117: Well, this is very strange, then

I updated the Fluff part of the first posts with all the backstories (and forwardstories too ) I already thought of. Keep in mind that all the stories take place in an Erebus after the FfH scenarios.

BTW, icarussc wrote that:

Sirvagha civpedia entry by Icarussc said:

They were two of his most expert scouts – men who’d ridden and crept, tracked and hunted their whole lives. Esprel, the elder, couldn’t have been a summer less than forty. It was that knowledge, rolling like an echo in the back of his head, that disturbed Cassiel. Something in the wideness of their eyes and in the violence of their gestures would have been more appropriate coming from beardless youths.
“At midnight and a bit, the moon came out from behind the clouds, and all up from the beastmen’s camp in the south woods came a howling and wailing such as I’ve never heard,” the first man was saying.
“And,” interjected the other, “it seemed to put the fear into the Amurites too, for we could hear screams and crying from within the city, and such a commotion on the walls as you’d have thought the enemy already inside.”
“Well, it went dark again for near an hour. Then the moon came out, suddenly – almost to surprise you – and the Doviello set up their howling again, but they’d come out in the darkness almost to the gate, with ladders, and before you could draw a bow they had the ladders against the wall and were rushing up like a flood. The defenders were down in a minute.”
Cassiel frowned and sat back in his chair, considering. Cevedes was a fortnight’s ride from his farthest outpost. But it was still too close to these animals.
The other scout cleared his throat. “For a moment we thought the Amurites would push the ladders back. Na, sir, they did – but a great wolfman at the top of the ladder leapt forward onto the wall, screaming and mad for blood. He had a sword with him, but he forgot drawing it, I think, in the bloodlust. Some of the archers shot him with their burning arrows but he ran on them and tore ‘em in pieces with his bare hands, and his armor and hood all aflame. They broke and ran, then.” There was fear in the scout’s voice – fear and awe.
“Do not dread these barbarians,” said Cassiel seriously. “Rage and bloodlust may produce such champions, but we have many of our own: men and women of honor and courage, not beasts.”
“Champion, sir? We saw him afterward in the city, among the beastmen. No champion he – he was their commander.”

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And we (Icarussc and I) were thinking what you think of it. He posted before but didn't get any answer.

Feel free to comment Jabie's work too

Opera said:

Why a bonus towards FoL? This seems inappropriate, considering her picture (and her civilization).

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Possibly. She has the spiritual trait, which indicates her faith is important to her. However, if she went for OO, I'm not sure she'd care so much about a holy relic of Sucellus. Given her shipbound nature, maybe she's travelled a lot and seen a few of the other faiths in Erebus.

Incidentally, there was an entry I wrote in the CivPedia thread called Slavery which was way too long for the Civic but might make a good entry for Weevil, Pickle and Hyde.

No settler on start...

I'm pretty sure I have a plain base install (Orbis 23d and LE .2beta2) but Opera couldn't load one of my previous savegame... I did reinstall Orbis and LE since.

Has anyone else ever seen this? Is my savegame even working for you guys (and gals)? Is it possible it's a bug with mana guardians somehow destroying a settler?

EDIT: Checked in Worldbuilder - it seems the Calabims got no leaders either.

Now that I think of it it seems to have happened mainly in the games where I choose: Wild mana, feral mana, mana guardians, no end of winter and BLESSINGS OF AMATHEON...

EDIT2: I started a couple of games and check in world builder to see that evryone got settlers... it seemed fine... so started a real game... Turn 60 who do I find? Laggz Nyr of the Lanun is still at 16 points cause he had NO SETTLER.

I added that save (Tya initial autosave) to my post and a screenshot of my settings.

Damn!

Can't test right now, I'm about to leave to go back to home and the computer with civilization is packed. One thing you could do is activating the pythonErr.log. Just go into My Games/Beyond the Sword/CivilizationIV.ini and change LoggingEnabled = 0 to LoggingEnabled = 1. Then you could check PythonErr.log in My Games/Beyond The Sword/Logs/. At best, just attach it, plus PythonErr2.log and PythonDbg.log too.

I guess the Mana options are causing something here. Seems likely. I already read some similar case of dearly defeat because of a settler killed because of a spawn on a barbarian.

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Possibly. She has the spiritual trait, which indicates her faith is important to her. However, if she went for OO, I'm not sure she'd care so much about a holy relic of Sucellus. Given her shipbound nature, maybe she's travelled a lot and seen a few of the other faiths in Erebus.

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I don't remember right now but I think she has some points towards FoL. She has many points towards OO though. I'll check when I got home.

I'll check the Slavery entry right now though

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BTW, I'm thinking of releasing a pre-.3 still compatible with the current Orbis version as the next one seems way down on the road due to the minor leaders issue. Still have to complete the leaders I added so maybe the new version will be out then...

Opera said:

One thing you could do is activating the pythonErr.log. Just go into My Games/Beyond the Sword/CivilizationIV.ini and change LoggingEnabled = 0 to LoggingEnabled = 1. Then you could check PythonErr.log in My Games/Beyond The Sword/Logs/. At best, just attach it, plus PythonErr2.log and PythonDbg.log too.

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Are those files resetted after a new game is launched? My Logging was already on but I've played since that game.

EDIT: I turned on all loggin options and started some Tiny ErebusContinent custom games with extra AI to check the settlers status. World builder show that settlers are sometimes missing but my logs aren't updated.

Not sure it can be from mana because the AI is all on the same tile. But it does seem to happen to civs with lots of mana around starting spot though.

I started a game myself and didn't have any problem. I'll try to start more games tomorrow to see if I get anything.

Nonobots, have you played more since your post? More bugs?

Opera said:

BTW, icarussc wrote that:And we (Icarussc and I) were thinking what you think of it. He posted before but didn't get any answer.

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I liked it.

Thanks, Jabie! I was a little confused by your story about Pelgadee . . . is she a leader that will be added in the next patch?

A strand of black hair had escaped from her hood, apparently hoping for a glimpse of the sun. She brushed it back with one white hand. Her skin was nearly as white as her cloak – pale and exotic. It had, from time to time, excited raging jealousy in the Malakim court ladies, whose own skin, even with the most diligent application of lotions, oils, and pearl-powders, remained obdurately bronze. But no matter how long Queen Saralet rode with her retinue in the stabbing light of the desert, she never darkened one iota. Some ancient magic mixed in her blood kept her ever sparkling like a snowflake amidst the dunes.
Zaphra, her chief attendant, watched her standing with a group of magi from the Academy, listening intently as they explained the mysterious operation of the mana crystals they had recently attuned to her specifications. Adepts stood or sat in various places around the colonnaded structure, and others flitted back and forth with crystals, dowsing rods, arcanist’s sextants, and other tools that Zaphra had learned to use during her days in the Guild. But she was an adept no longer – instead, she waited for Queen Saralet; waited and watched. The white marble columns of the mana node were already thickly overgrown with ivy and flowering vines, and knee-high green grass waved in the breeze on every side of the node, until it gradually faded into scraggly desert scrub a half a league away. The magi had bound the node, by Saralet’s command, into something that had made vitality bubble up out of the hostile desert foothills.
Saralet turned away from the magi and began carefully descending the stairs to where her retinue was waiting. Zaphra stepped forward to meet her, extending her arm to give her Queen something to grasp as she made her way down the stone steps, incongruently slippery with thick mosses.
They stepped up into the Queen’s chariot and began lurching away down the long road to Golden Leane. After a few moments of quiet, Saralet pulled her hood back and gave Zaphra a curious smile.
“You asked me why I did not order it bound to the Sun, as we did with the others. Do you see now?”
Zaphra frowned in answer. Saralet looked out to the horizon and pointed. Zaphra could see the blaze of the Mirror of Heaven, baking the homeland of the Malakim to desert as it had been doing for a hundred years.
“I have seen it, Zaphra. Seen it in visions and walked through it in my dreams. One day, these deserts will burst with life. This mana is only the first step; only the seed. One day, we will speak the words of the great spell, and life will wash over these barren valleys like a wave. In my dreams, I have sat on the riverbank in the shade of a tree as tall as the walls of Golden Leane, and I have washed my feet in the water and watched the light of the Mirror a league away.”
Zaphra felt that an answer was expected, but she could think of nothing to say. Finally, she ventured, “But my Queen, there is no river within a league of the Mirror.”
Saralet smiled and turned up her face as though welcoming the first prophesied drops of rain. “There will be.”


Feedback welcome!

icarussc said:

Thanks, Jabie! I was a little confused by your story about Pelgadee . . . is she a leader that will be added in the next patch?

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She's already in. Her right name is Palgadee and she's the Lanun leader I added

icarussc said:

A strand of black hair had escaped from her hood, apparently hoping for a glimpse of the sun. She brushed it back with one white hand. Her skin was nearly as white as her cloak – pale and exotic. It had, from time to time, excited raging jealousy in the Malakim court ladies, whose own skin, even with the most diligent application of lotions, oils, and pearl-powders, remained obdurately bronze. But no matter how long Queen Saralet rode with her retinue in the stabbing light of the desert, she never darkened one iota. Some ancient magic mixed in her blood kept her ever sparkling like a snowflake amidst the dunes.
Zaphra, her chief attendant, watched her standing with a group of magi from the Academy, listening intently as they explained the mysterious operation of the mana crystals they had recently attuned to her specifications. Adepts stood or sat in various places around the colonnaded structure, and others flitted back and forth with crystals, dowsing rods, arcanist’s sextants, and other tools that Zaphra had learned to use during her days in the Guild. But she was an adept no longer – instead, she waited for Queen Saralet; waited and watched. The white marble columns of the mana node were already thickly overgrown with ivy and flowering vines, and knee-high green grass waved in the breeze on every side of the node, until it gradually faded into scraggly desert scrub a half a league away. The magi had bound the node, by Saralet’s command, into something that had made vitality bubble up out of the hostile desert foothills.
Saralet turned away from the magi and began carefully descending the stairs to where her retinue was waiting. Zaphra stepped forward to meet her, extending her arm to give her Queen something to grasp as she made her way down the stone steps, incongruently slippery with thick mosses.
They stepped up into the Queen’s chariot and began lurching away down the long road to Golden Leane. After a few moments of quiet, Saralet pulled her hood back and gave Zaphra a curious smile.
“You asked me why I did not order it bound to the Sun, as we did with the others. Do you see now?”
Zaphra frowned in answer. Saralet looked out to the horizon and pointed. Zaphra could see the blaze of the Mirror of Heaven, baking the homeland of the Malakim to desert as it had been doing for a hundred years.
“I have seen it, Zaphra. Seen it in visions and walked through it in my dreams. One day, these deserts will burst with life. This mana is only the first step; only the seed. One day, we will speak the words of the great spell, and life will wash over these barren valleys like a wave. In my dreams, I have sat on the riverbank in the shade of a tree as tall as the walls of Golden Leane, and I have washed my feet in the water and watched the light of the Mirror a league away.”
Zaphra felt that an answer was expected, but she could think of nothing to say. Finally, she ventured, “But my Queen, there is no river within a league of the Mirror.”
Saralet smiled and turned up her face as though welcoming the first prophesied drops of rain. “There will be.”

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I really love this This is so how I see Saralet. This sure is going in the next version Thank you!

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Do you think I should write a bit of guidelines for the leaders? Many things about them that I've thought of are somewhat hidden in their XML file and ingame personality. Maybe it would help you (Jabie and Icarussc for now) to write pedia texts?

Foiled by my own misspelling . . . I'm so stupid!

Right now, I'm using only the Pedia entry (traits, favored and hated civics, favored wonder, and especially the picture) to write my stories. More information is cool, but not necessary. Do whatever you like

Thanks for the kind words!