Monarch Student Prime XII Washington

Played up to 715ad and its quite a fun map really.

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Okay GK has now taken Hatty down to 1 city. I have not traded any techs with him. mansa now has mace/xbow and Lb and GK has dow on him. Hurrah!!! I think Mansa will hold off this attack although i do need to give him engineering once I get it.

In capital i built MM wonder once I had calender. Took a golden age from it. I thrn built Ap in capital. Unfortunately got 3 great artists in capital. SOAB!!!! How unlucky was I. wasted a GA/GS on second golden age. Well 15 turns. ;)

Took nationalism from liberalism. TM wonder is 10 turns away. That is amazing fast build. Even had cheek to build TGLH on coast around 600ad.

Expanded a few more cities. up to 8 including a barb city i captured. Oh I agreed to join Mansa war with GK. Well i do have a nice buffer zone. So far GK hasnt taken any of Mansa cities but he does have his KK unit.

Overall I will have gunpowder units before GK knows about longbows at this rate. Fun fun fun. Need some pikemen first.

Overall the techs ramp up a lot faster when AI start with more techs.
 

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Alright giving this one a go. Last one wasn't so great for me.

To 1 AD

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Settings: Monarch/Marathon
I'm a solid prince player but I haven't won a non cultural-victory monarch game in like over a year lawl.

Took a lot of notes this time around.

4000 BC: Settle in place, researching AH first. Worker first. Will build a farm on flood plain while waiting for AH, then pasture on the pig.

3895 BC: Warrior pops sailing. Yay.

3820 BC: Warrior pops Mysticism. Double yay.

3730 BC: Warrior eaten by a bear nooooo :(

3535 BC: Oh fun, Genghis finds me. He's NE somewhere. Can't see much of map due to warrior dying.

3460 BC: AH finishes, researching mining.

3205 BC: Kinda bored worker atm. Farming flood plains to keep him busy.

3145 BC: Mining finishes. Decide to go for masonry over BW here, not sure if it's the right call.

2995 BC: Well, I very luckily made the right call (at least this game) as a warrior pops BW lol. Not really any near enough copper for my second city though. Third for sure, but I'm not a fan of founding second city far.

2800 BC: Masonry done, will found my second city near the horse, not really any nearby copper so I'll go wheel for chariots to fend off barbs. Course I could just go for TGW to solve that problem, but I start going for Stonehenge instead.

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2710 BC: New York founded. In retrospect, I may have been better off founding it 1W as I could have worked the horse much faster and I'd gain 2 more grassland/river tiles but at the time I thought I'd want the extra hills (I'd lose 1 plains/hill + 1 grassy hill).

2360 BC: Stonehenge complete in Washington. This start is so much better than XI, hehe.

2320 BC: Wheel done, Going IW next. Building TGW in Washington. Can finish it pretty fast with minimal chopping too.

2160 BC: Great Wall done, yay. Maybe I'll get a barb event and have them go beat up on Genghis! (who I haven't really properly found yet due to warrior dying early and Washington making mostly wonders) Meanwhile, I still haven't found another civ... or rather I should say another civ hasn't found me since I haven't really been looking. I'm positive I'm not alone with him though based on Genghis's espionage point spread.

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1950 BC: Boston founded. Plains/cow + Plains/Copper with food to support early on will be nice I think. Probably will look to workshop it later and use as military production center.

1930 BC: Finally meet another civ, Mansa, who actually is closer to me than Genghis I think, yay.

1870 BC: And another... Hatty is on the continent as well. With any luck, Hatty/Mansa can share techs with me and keep Genghis at bay a bit. Also, found Iron in Washington's cross which is REAL GOOD!

1520 BC: Great Prophet born and settles in Washington. I probably make a poor decision of hoping I can get a GS from washington with the diluted gene pool rather than trying to get it elsewhere. However I'd have to farm some GLs in New York to get it, and likely not work my high production tiles in Boston to support scientists, so I choose to take my chances with Washington.

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1510 BC: Philly founded. Not sure this was the right move, probably should have expanded north first, but I really wanted to hook up some silver as I have no religion yet. Hatty founded Judaism and spread to Mansa but currently I do not have it.

1440 BC: Raze some beat ass barb city north of Washington. Will resettle in a slightly different spot soon.

1400 BC: Judaism reaches New York and we're now all Jewish on our continent. Silver + Char + Stonehenge is making the happiness situation pretty solid, much better than last round!

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1320 BC: Atlanta founded near razed barb city. I rarely settle on resources (at least when they're revealed) but I thought I'd try it here. The rice wouldn't have been irrigated for a while and would require a reasonable irrigation project. Of course, as it is, it's a pretty weak city until at least monarchy.

1140 BC: Got Alphabet, first on continent I think. I usually play with no tech brokering so I'm honestly pretty bad at remembering to trade techs and researching techs that no one else has, but I'll work on it. Pick up some older techs from Mansa and Hatty... (hunting, poly? I forget)

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1010 BC: Chitown founded. I may have gotten lucky to get the gems here, surprised it wasn't taken yet. This probably should have been my 5th city, or even 4th, I could have waited on Philly. TBH I forgot that monuments gave +1 happiness for char leaders so I probably over-valued the silver. Also, the barb city you can see in the SS will hopefully be razed and resettled 1 SW. Though if I see someone about to take it, I'll end up taking it myself.

810 BC: Mansa + Hatty are at war with Genghis. I agree to cancel deals with Genghis but I don't declare. Obviously I'm happy to keep MM + Hatty happy and willing to tech trade me and hopefully help keep Genghis and his massive stack away from me. (uh that sounds kinda bad. lawl)

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800 BC: Seattle founded near that barb city as planned. Reasonable production potential with bananas feeding the shield producers I think.

640 BC: Chopped the crap out of Temple of Artemis in Washington so now my gene pool can be even more dilute! (I got a great spy some time earlier. I definitely dropped the ball on getting a GS) Meanwhile, Hatty takes a city from Genghis then peaces. Mansa still going at it. Genghis had 8 cities (now 7) though, so he's still very much a threat. His power rating is way higher than everyone elses on the continent.

440 BC: I grab TGL in Boston. Not exactly sure why I built it as I only have two coastal cities atm, though I'm planning to found one more once my economy settles a bit (only recently got CoL + Currency).

20 BC: Parthenon built in Washington. Yeah, I'm never gonna get a GS here.

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1 AD: Well this is what the map looks like for me right now. Empire economy has settled a bit with courthouses built/whipped/chopped and a few markets placed as needed.

Tentative plan is to found at least 2 more cities, one by the iron/fish East of New York, and one more somewhere between Philly and Boston, though despite staring at it for like 5 minutes I still can't decide where it's going. There's Fish, Wheat, and Iron there, though the iron is on tundra. I can place it to get all three but there will be a ton of tundra in the cross and only 2 GL/river tiles. I could put those statue things to make the water tiles reasonable I suppose. The other options are to give up the fish but keep the iron/wheat and get 4 GL/river tiles, but that leaves 6 workable tiles (i.e. not tundra) and its not coastal. Settling kinda north I could get Iron + 6 GL/rivers, 2 GL/hills and some other tiles but no food so I'd have to farm stuff.

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Curious to hear where you'd guys settle here. Keep in mind I do have TGL and Moai Statues are still available.

As for later game plans, I'm not the tech leader but I'm reasonable and neither MM nor Hatty particularly worry me. At some point I'll look to take a few cities from Genghis with their help, but ultimately I really want MM's capital for the Jewish shrine, and maybe the Confucian shrine also. Course, god only knows whats going on in the other continent, though the updates say MM + Hatty are tech leaders with me somewhere around 3rd/4th.

I'm thinking I'll try pushing a little on Genghis around gunpowder, or possibly rifles, Then a brief rebuild period and hopefully getting MM's capital. Of course, I'll probably just do something dumb and throw the game away in the mid-game like I usually do :)


I will only comment up to 1ad on mine and your game.

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Different approach to me. I ignored masonry and mining till I got alphabet. I like your wine city. Didnt see that! Grrrr!

Not sure why you are teching feudalism. Always let the AI do that for you. My Alphabet gambit paid off as I was quickly able to do the usual academy/ philosphy with 2 GS. Aesthetics always works as a great trade too. Before 1ad i made sure not to trade anything to GK. He may get more cities but if he is backwards he wont get far!
 
Emperor/Epic to 1500 B.C. Taking this one slower as it is my first online Emperor game. Edit: Forgot to mention No events. I hate them now.

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Yay for stone and marble in BFC! Well what do you think we do when we have stone in the BFC?

Before I start to spam I like to get one city out first:

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Then:

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With the 'Mids on the way.

Settled Boston close to Mansa for some nice cottage land, will be a drain on the economy for now but once IW is in it will be nice.

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So that's that. I feel like I'm in a pretty strong position with two wonder and a third on the way with 3 cities at 1500 BC. Nice neighbors and a good start make this a pretty easy map so far. I should be able to avoid war just b/c Genghis will hate Hatty and Mansa and vice-versa.

Tips appreciated!


 
Emperor/Epic to 1500 B.C. Taking this one slower as it is my first online Emperor game.

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Yay for stone and marble in BFC! Well what do you think we do when we have stone in the BFC?

Before I start to spam I like to get one city out first:

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Then:

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With the 'Mids on the way.

Settled Boston close to Mansa for some nice cottage land, will be a drain on the economy for now but once IW is in it will be nice.

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So that's that. I feel like I'm in a pretty strong position with two wonder and a third on the way with 3 cities at 1500 BC. Nice neighbors and a good start make this a pretty easy map so far. I should be able to avoid war just b/c Genghis will hate Hatty and Mansa and vice-versa.

Tips appreciated!



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Overall it would be nice if you posted the save!!

I do not like boston as a city. The silver city down south would have been much stronger as you wont have iron working for a while. Great Wall and SH are useful but they dilutes GP points later on.
 
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Overall it would be nice if you posted the save!!

I do not like boston as a city. The silver city down south would have been much stronger as you wont have iron working for a while. Great Wall and SH are useful but they dilutes GP points later on.


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I'll add a save. As for Boston, it will be a good cottage just city from the looks of it, with a farm to irragate the rice and provide some food. It was also somewhat of a blocker city for Mansa. For GW and SH, umm... I wanted to take advantage of the Stone. Many people go for them with stone, but I guess in some instances they are not as useful as the GP.

 

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Immortal/Normal 1 AD
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Settled in place, worker first and went Animal Husbandry. Started farming a FP until AH was done. Worked on farm again until mining was done and i mined the stone - finally finished farm after that. Went wheel-pottery-BW i think afterwards. Really tough to get worker techs here - even though we start with AG... Probably a much better way to start than what i did. Found Mali fast. Unfortunately they seem to be settling towards me. I put my 4th city up north - find out i missed gems but this will ensure mansa doesn't settle on the wine or something dumb.
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Tech went worker techs-writing-aesthetics. Got it before anyone had alpha so i put a few turns into it. Settled way up north, killing my early tech but getting more land gems and copper. Taking the barb city will block off all the land. Khan declares on Egypt.
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Take the barb city. Have ~8 axes just to be safe since i see Khan's borders now. Didn't go for mids but i'm heading towards great library. Convert to Judaism since everyone else did.
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1 AD (well 25 AD) Finally got IW - egypt/mongolia didn't tech it forever. Put down cow/iron/silver city. Losing gold at 0% but great library, parthenon and lots of land coming soon. Not bad in tech - mansa is way ahead but he's small so i can bulb/trade with him to get a tech lead on the other 2. Really was tempted to attack mansa with my 8-10 axes. 1 of his cities i could attack 1st turn, another on the 2nd turn. Could have knocked him down to just a few cities but he's still pretty small.
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Overall seems to be an interesting, if a little bit easy map. Didn't take much advantage of starting with stone/marble. Should be able to keep up with a small mansa in tech and use my land to get ahead later. Probably can get everyone pleased/friendly soon and hopefully keep Genghis attacking the other two. He shouldn't share any borders with me so i hope i won't be a later target. Forgot to send a settler to that little island - will do that soon. It'll just be slowly raising the slider and filling in land for awhile. Great library/national epic in cap should allow me to keep up.
 
1AD:

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I had to give this one a shot with marble and stone in the BFC. :D For fun I went full-on Obsolete style (well not quite, I have cottages in my capital.:rolleyes:) However, I also have just about every damn wonder in Washington.

Sorry no screenshots, my network is having some issues at the moment. Feel free to check out the save if you are interested.

I am actually hoping for some diplo/tech trading advice if anybody wants to weigh in. I bribed Genghis to fight Mansa in an effort to slow him down a bit. Hatty then joined Mansa against Genghis. I just got Music and I want to buy Hatty's peace. I also need a lot of techs in trade. Hatty won't currently take peace so my question is should I wait for her to take the deal and hold onto music or just trade away and leave Genghis on his own?

Thanks!
 

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Hi

It seems like lots ppl always keep wanting to go up a level and get whomped so here goes :P

Monarch, Marathon, 1AD

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Grrr stubid baries. Goodyhuts unleashed like 6 and 3 hostiles so so much for goodyhut economy this game hehe.

I was determined that EVEN tho I had marble and STONE I was NOT gonna let the shinies distract me. Then the barbies started coming. I THOUGHT I was spawnbusting pretty good. And when barbies seemed to going past my spawn busting warriors STRAIGHT to Mansas cities I figured I was getting handle on things.

BUT then all of sudden TONS of axes started coming at me. And by tones I mean a line of like 5 in a row with more coming. It wasnt a babrie event my guess is it was a babrie cty spawn neared copper at some point and decided to be a axe pump then decided to target me. And it was just like a snowball effect. One axe kills off one of my warrior spawnbusters leaving opening for MORE axes then they kill off more warriors which leaves gaps for MORE axes to spawn and on and on. I had copper hooked up BUT not long enuff to hold off ALL those axes coming at me. ANd I lost Boston :(

In a TOTAL panic I switched from rexing to TRYING to get my stone hooked up and GW chopped. And I actually got it done somehow in time. Probably wasnt luck a smuch game doing it on purpose cuz it KNEW if I lost out on GW I wasnt gonna keep fighting off ALL those axes and would have just quit. This way it can prolong my torture :/.

Anyways after GW chopped I start pumping axes and FINALLY:

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I take boston back. But notice how MY city is in revolt now??? I thought your old cities ALWAYS instantly get their old culture back if you retake em? :/

ANyways that whole mess slowed down my expansion and Ghengis started pumping settlers like nobody's business. And my WHOLE plan to try and block some spce got messed up cuz of having to sidetrack to GW grrr. It prolly would have been better to have just made it a priority in first place which wouldnt have slowed me down as much.

But oh wells I kept on trying going back to trying to get out settlers and game keeps messing with me:

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SOmetimes I use Bat dotmap tool to lay out where I think would be good spots for a city then just send the settlers there. And it can make me VERY nervous when it turns out blue circle of dumb suggestions suggests where I was pallning anyways it just makes me paranoid like oh no Im thinking as dumb as the AI what am I doing wrong?

On bright side you notice Ghengis uints as my settler JUST beats out his settler. Of course he just moves it on down FURTHER into my land grrr.

Since I am up past my level I KNOW AI will outtech me bigtime so instead of math/currency I go alpha/currence. ANd try to do some trading. Ghengis will only give up med for alpha just med NOT even gold thrown in. So I say no thanks:

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The go to Mansa and then

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Hattie who offer better deals.

I then build reasrach in most of my cities while do long slow march to currency. After currency done I manage to trade it for CoL and Math and start trying to get to construction. while still trying to settle cities in little spaces Ghengis left me.

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And the blue circles KEEP messing with my head grrrrr.

Anyways here is my empire at this point:

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No surpise I didnt have any shot at the 12 city by 1ad benchark. I MIGHT have if I didnt have to do that stupid gw then retake boston sidetrack grrr stupid barbies. And ghengis has like 3 cities over in east that SHOULD have been mine dang it ::: pouts::

Demos at this point:

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I would make comment but honestly I just been to scared to actually really look at it cuz it would probably make me cry.

Tech sitch:

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As usual my scientists are riding to the lab in the little yellow bus compared to the AI's scientists :(

Diplo sitch is kinda what you expect. Hattie is being hattie and at bff-lets-pledge-to -be-each-others-maid of honor friendly stage already. I have Ghengis at pleased but thats NO sfaety net with him. Then for SOME reason mansa goes from buddhist like everybody and brokes off on his on to go islam which dropped him down to cautious with me BUTalso got Ghengis picking him has his worst enemy so HOPEFULLY that means Mansa will get hit him first not me.

Meanwhile I am trying to get courthouses done to try and move the slider anotch and then pump sowrds and spears and some axes until constrution then cats and try and take GK out. Or thats the plan anyways since there NO guarantee I will live anywheres NEAR THAT long hehe :P So wish me luck :)

Kaytie
 
continuing from 1 AD, through 1502 AD

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Continuing from last time, I continue to play nice and build up peacefully. I grab The Great Library at 350 AD, and settle three more cities in kinda holes in my empire.

MM and Hatty get a few techs on me but I catch up through trades (went for compass, bulbed paper, then optics, traded for feudalism, engineering, theology, literature, maybe a few others).

I'm gonna be first to CS, but just before I get to it, MM and Hatty end up at war with Genghis again. Genghis is fairly backwards by now, his cities are defended by axemen and archers and he runs around with keshiks. As I'm a turn or two away from maces (already had machinery) and he seems like he could be busy with MM and Hatty, I decide to get drawn in this time.

I wasn't as ready for the war as I could have been but he's distracted enough that I take one of his cities near me despite beat-ass keshiks constantly withdrawing from or killing my units (no engineering yet).

MM peaces after taking a city and I decide to follow suit as GK is starting to focus mainly on me, or at least it seems that way. Who knows what Hatty is up to.

After peace, MM offers to become my vassal. I consider it but decide not to as I really really want his capital (judaism holy city). He also has a city that founded islam and confucianism next to it which would be nice.

Hatty converts to christianity (which she founded) for some reason, so she's no longer friendly with me and being a little stingy on some techs.

I build the army up a bit (when I warred GK the first time I had a lot of older units, chariots and axes and crap) and get ready to pile on GK again soon. Knights and maces and pikes now which he cant really do much against, though he is starting to get some longbows.

I hit liberalism first around 1020 AD and pick up Astronomy. Was kinda torn on what to take but I thought the foreign trade would help, especially since I have TGL. Plus, I can pick up a few resources from Saladin.

Hatty is still at war with him when she vassals MM, bringing him back in as well. Unfortunate, as I'll now have to worry about Hatty when I go for MM's cities. I decide I'm going to want to have GK keep Hatty busy while I go for MM, so I declare on GK as well in 1325 AD, hoping I can get him to cap to me, not Hatty, which would be a big problem.

I take two cities, Hatty takes two, and MM takes one but I do manage to get GK to cap to me. GK is down to his capital and one other city, though he founds another one shortly after capping.

Meanwhile, I had got to optics first and got the circumnavigation bonus. The other continent consists of Saladin and his vassal Wang who seem to be at war or between wars with Willem. Saladin must have vassaled Wang early, as he only has one korean city and Wang is tech leader or close to it. Saladin is pretty behind but quite big and has a higher power rating than me (significantly).

Still, I figure if I can cap my continent, Saladin won't be a problem as he doesn't seem to be getting techs from Wang. Hell, I'm probably more worried about Wang space racing than anything Saladin can do.

Anyway, I plan to beeline rifling and push MM, which should be cake with rifles, while maybe throwing a few up north at Hatty to help GK keep her busy. As I'm researching Replaceable Parts though, Hatty surprises me by declaring. Her stack is kinda weak, a few knights, xbows, and pikes with 4 trebs, but she is on top of GK's newly founded city quite quickly, too quickly for me to help out his 3 unit garrison.

GK makes me laugh though and sends his own stack on one of Hatty's cities up north with a bunch of maces and pults. I'm unable to save GK's city but I move enough troops nearby to retake it after it falls. GK meanwhile gets revenge by taking one of Hatty's cities.

MM pretends he's part of the war too and sends a half-noah's ark stack of 1 treb, 1 xbox, 1 longbow, 1 pikeman, and 1 macemen near one of my cities. Ultimately, after retaking GK's lost city, I take one of MM's cities closest to my capital and peace them.

I'm still about 15-20 turns off from rifling. I sell a bunch of older techs to Willem and Saladin so I can have some bank to upgrade some CR3 rifles as soon as I get rifling.

I convince MM to give me nationalism for liberalism or education or something and switch to Nationhood and start drafting some rifles then declare. With rifles against longbows and maces, it's a pretty easy war. CR3 Rifles are getting 95%+ before I finish bombarding the defenses, which is good cuz it's taking forever on Hatty and her beat walls and high culture in every city. Still, they don't put up much of a fight and I take MM's capital and two other decent cities, while razing two marginal cities. MM is left with a single plot island city. Hatty is willing to cap shortly after I move on her territory and I accept then take MM as a vassal also.

At this point, Hatty still has more than enough cities to be a useful vassal. MM still has 1 or 2 techs I can get from him, though he's basically worthless going forwards. I've gifted a lot of techs to GK but he's only got 4 cities, 1 of which is mostly egyptian, so he's not much use.

I'm at 18 cities and Saladin is at 17 but I feel I have better city sites. Plus Saladin is pretty far behind in techs. He still does not have astronomy and appears to be making no attempt to get it so I'm content to go into building mode for a while, focusing on catching up to Wang in techs.

Here's how it looks at... 1502 AD:

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Kinda surprised at the production stats, that seems wrong or misleading somehow. Regardless though, I'm definitely in good shape, I lucked out a lot on the early game, to the point that even I can't screw up the mid-game lol.

Saladin is big but too far behind in tech for me to be too worried. I've pretty much caught up to Wang by now. He's got physics and communism on me, I've got RP, rifling, steel, and democracy. Plus I can get Hatty to research something for me and trade, while he's totally on his own.

So really it's just a matter of how I approach ending the game. I'll probably push their continent once I get combustion and assembly line. From there, either domination or subduing them into a diplo win, whichever comes first.

So yeah, the map was pretty friendly, and I lucked my way into a few things so even I should be able to pull this one out :)

 
Monarch/Epic to 500AD

"Easy Livin'"

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Well, with that kind of start it just seems a given to wonder spam. I've actually veered from the approach for a while as I try to better other aspects of my game. However, as my trusty and short-lived scouts informed me the rival civs are a bit far away. Yeah, Mansa is a reasonable distance but I generally choose not to rush him since he's a great tech partner and easy to play nice. It indeed went that way.

Now as Gumbolt noted above, building multiple wonders dilutes the GP gene pool. This is certainly the case but unless you have a specific strategy in mind, I find that all GPs are valuable in there own way. Plus, the varying GPs allow for more golden ages which I have come to value greatly mid to late game. With this in mind, I proceed to build Stonehenge and the Great Wall. With my cap developing nice into Bureau heaven they were just to easy not to take. Stonehenge does have some synergy with monuments and Washington's traits.

I expanded rather slowly, plopping New York to the north and Boston to the south. I regret not grabbing the seafood in New York but I still like the city and currently working to chain irrigate that rice. i can always pop a city on that plains hill island anyway.

Yep, the Philly and the silver probably shoulda been got sooner. However, Washington was so strong in commerce that I wasn't that concerned and the land just sucks early on.

Also, one thing I noted and relied on is having a lot of land to expand east and north fairly casually. I also plan to opportunistically take the barb cities with the help of suicide Mongol attacks.

I built the TGL in NY and then NE and Parth in Wash for some series GP pumping. Kept scientists running as much as possible. Popped a Great Proph first and settled in Wash since no religion. Then a GS for the Academy, A great Spy and another GS which I felt best to settle. Another Great Person o' the day is on it's way in 4 turns.

As for the Great Spy, I used to not care for them at all. However, I'm starting to find them quite versatile. I'm still not big on espionage - using it minimally or situationally. However, settling early can give one the advantage in EPs with everyone plus seeing what they tech. Or, as I'm doing now, just using him as a super scout to see what's going on or what's coming my way. I will eventually settle him, use for a GA, or use for some serious espionage on some civ later - maybe someone we've not yet met. I'm interested in what folks think on this

Everyone is Jewish and Egypt built the AP already. That is why you see temple and monasteries in several cities for the hammer bonus.

Interestingly, Genghis declared on Egypt or Mansa and one of the two declared on him. Genghis then switched to Judaism. Strange. All three have been at war for some time. I refused to join once or twice since I need to build up some military - not worried about one minus hit with Mansa. The Mongols will be an issue so I will focus on Medieval/Renny war with him.

Tech is going well in my passive game so far. I'm researching Machinery in a ploy to get Optics first and Lib Astro to see the world. Looks like Mansa is going Nat or most likely DR for his beloved Islam, so I think I have a chance to trade for Philo and tech Edu first since no one has that even active yet accept me. Oh...I also have the Great Library.

Next up for me is settling further east and prepping for war with the Mongols, hopefully after Liberalism. I will switch to Caste soon. I may go Gunpowder instead which I usually don't like to do.

Chicago may seem a little odd placement. My goal here was to get the horses and have irrigated rice regardless of some useless tiles - it can still be decent. I plan to lay a city further south on the river to work cottages. Some may question not having Boston one east for the silver but I like it the location. Whale is average but rather not let it go to waste, plus I can work that one FP that Wash can't and tag team the other cottaged FP when Wash needs to work more hammers to keep them growing - overall some good synergy between the cities. I"m chain irrigating Boston and it will become a decent secondary production site with workshops and caste.

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Tech

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On another note, a little AI quirk I wanted to mention

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I see some bizarre things happen with the AI from time to time with respect to war but this just gets me. Mansa and Genghis are at war. Mansa sends a Sword over to where Chicago is now (next to the horses in the east). I assume he plans to settle there put I already have a settler on the way for Chicago. Anyway, Genghis sends 2 Keshiks and an archer threw my borders, apparently to head to one of the barb cities. He just waltzes right by Mansa's Swordsman, tips his hat, and rides off.

Is it me or is that just plain broken? The only thing similar I see is with barbs ignoring AI civs if I'm in the area, even if they are one tile away.

 
Hi

It seems like lots ppl always keep wanting to go up a level and get whomped so here goes :P

Monarch, Marathon, 1AD

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Grrr stubid baries. Goodyhuts unleashed like 6 and 3 hostiles so so much for goodyhut economy this game hehe.

I was determined that EVEN tho I had marble and STONE I was NOT gonna let the shinies distract me. Then the barbies started coming. I THOUGHT I was spawnbusting pretty good. And when barbies seemed to going past my spawn busting warriors STRAIGHT to Mansas cities I figured I was getting handle on things.

BUT then all of sudden TONS of axes started coming at me. And by tones I mean a line of like 5 in a row with more coming. It wasnt a babrie event my guess is it was a babrie cty spawn neared copper at some point and decided to be a axe pump then decided to target me. And it was just like a snowball effect. One axe kills off one of my warrior spawnbusters leaving opening for MORE axes then they kill off more warriors which leaves gaps for MORE axes to spawn and on and on. I had copper hooked up BUT not long enuff to hold off ALL those axes coming at me. ANd I lost Boston :(

In a TOTAL panic I switched from rexing to TRYING to get my stone hooked up and GW chopped. And I actually got it done somehow in time. Probably wasnt luck a smuch game doing it on purpose cuz it KNEW if I lost out on GW I wasnt gonna keep fighting off ALL those axes and would have just quit. This way it can prolong my torture :/.

Anyways after GW chopped I start pumping axes and FINALLY:

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I take boston back. But notice how MY city is in revolt now??? I thought your old cities ALWAYS instantly get their old culture back if you retake em? :/

ANyways that whole mess slowed down my expansion and Ghengis started pumping settlers like nobody's business. And my WHOLE plan to try and block some spce got messed up cuz of having to sidetrack to GW grrr. It prolly would have been better to have just made it a priority in first place which wouldnt have slowed me down as much.

But oh wells I kept on trying going back to trying to get out settlers and game keeps messing with me:

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SOmetimes I use Bat dotmap tool to lay out where I think would be good spots for a city then just send the settlers there. And it can make me VERY nervous when it turns out blue circle of dumb suggestions suggests where I was pallning anyways it just makes me paranoid like oh no Im thinking as dumb as the AI what am I doing wrong?

On bright side you notice Ghengis uints as my settler JUST beats out his settler. Of course he just moves it on down FURTHER into my land grrr.

Since I am up past my level I KNOW AI will outtech me bigtime so instead of math/currency I go alpha/currence. ANd try to do some trading. Ghengis will only give up med for alpha just med NOT even gold thrown in. So I say no thanks:

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The go to Mansa and then

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Hattie who offer better deals.

I then build reasrach in most of my cities while do long slow march to currency. After currency done I manage to trade it for CoL and Math and start trying to get to construction. while still trying to settle cities in little spaces Ghengis left me.

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And the blue circles KEEP messing with my head grrrrr.

Anyways here is my empire at this point:

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No surpise I didnt have any shot at the 12 city by 1ad benchark. I MIGHT have if I didnt have to do that stupid gw then retake boston sidetrack grrr stupid barbies. And ghengis has like 3 cities over in east that SHOULD have been mine dang it ::: pouts::

Demos at this point:

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I would make comment but honestly I just been to scared to actually really look at it cuz it would probably make me cry.

Tech sitch:

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As usual my scientists are riding to the lab in the little yellow bus compared to the AI's scientists :(

Diplo sitch is kinda what you expect. Hattie is being hattie and at bff-lets-pledge-to -be-each-others-maid of honor friendly stage already. I have Ghengis at pleased but thats NO sfaety net with him. Then for SOME reason mansa goes from buddhist like everybody and brokes off on his on to go islam which dropped him down to cautious with me BUTalso got Ghengis picking him has his worst enemy so HOPEFULLY that means Mansa will get hit him first not me.

Meanwhile I am trying to get courthouses done to try and move the slider anotch and then pump sowrds and spears and some axes until constrution then cats and try and take GK out. Or thats the plan anyways since there NO guarantee I will live anywheres NEAR THAT long hehe :P So wish me luck :)

Kaytie

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Hey Kaytie!

First, let me say that I love your reports here and in the other clubs. You have a cute personality. Also, I think you are a very good player. I love your warrior rush specials.

Anway, I wouldn't say I'm necessarily qualified to critique you since you are good but I do seem to win on Monarch regularly now.

Rexing seemed to be your agenda and I can understand not wonder spamming. But not getting at least one of Stonehenge or GW was maybe not a good choice. The GW seems good for this map with all the land. Stonehenge has synergy with Washington's traits for the monument.

Odd luck though for you. I'm not sure if it was because of building the GW early or what, but my spawnbusts never turned up an axe ever. Oh, do you keep your spawnbust warriors on sentry mode (in reference to the one killed by an axe)

Anyway, you still look to be in decent shape with a good bit a land. I figured pretty early that I wouldn't think of war until at least the Middle Ages or Liberalism with this map.

Looking forward to seeing how things go in your game.
 
Monarch/Epic
To 25 AD:
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I settled in place, started on a worker, and queued up AH for my first tech to work the piggies. I sent off my warrior to the north, seeing as I had tundra to the south and was unlikely to find much of import there. I popped 2 huts for gold, then found Mansa Musa and a swarm of hostile villagers to the north. My warrior died, leaving me with just the coast to the north explored.

Worker popped out with ~3 turns left on AH, so I had him make a farm on the floodplains south of the city while waiting on the tech. Started on a new warrior in Washington. After finishing AH, I started working on mining, started a second warrior, and sent my new army out to explore. This warrior fared better, though slowly, as I was plagued by animal attacks, and constantly had to heal. He quickly got Woodsman 2 though, which sped up his exploration and kept him safer from the barbs. Got one more goody hut, which gave me experience- Woodsman 3 warrior should make a good early medic unit, and I can keep him around to turn into a super medic later.

After my second warrior in the capital, I made a second worker, then a settler. New York is placed up the coast towards Mansa, just north of the wines- it should make a decent commerce city, though nothing spectacular. Pumped out another warrior and settler, settling east near the horse, on the river for another, better commerce city, and to get horses hooked up for chariots.

Once I got a few chariots out, I pumped out another settler and settled Philadelphia where it should claim the gems and copper once it gets it's border pops. This should be a pretty beastly production city. Nobody had picked up any of the wonders yet, so I started on great wall in Washington while New York made a couple workers and I got Monuments and Granary's in my other cities. Unfortunately, Genghis finished the GW a couple turns before I did, so I took the failure cash and promptly started on Stonehenge, since it's a 5-turn build and nobody's taken it yet. A couple turns later, I'm awarded with more failure cash, and start pumping out some more military in my capitol. Meanwhile, the barbs appear to have noticed that I only have warriors and chariots, and throw several spearmen my way. I manage to fight off a couple, but one managed to chew through my warrior and chariot in Philadelphia a turn before I can get another chariot there. My tardy chariot retook the city, but I was reset to 1 population, and lost my progress on my Monument. I pumped out some more units and another settler, then at 230BC, finished chopping the Pyramids in Washington.

After mining, my tech went Hunting->Wheel->Bronze Working->Mysticism->Masonry-Writing->Alphabet. Mansa founded Judaism, and quickly the entire continent had converted, though there's still some hostility between Hatty and Kublai, which will hopefully keep him off my back.

Here's my empire at this point:
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I finished with Alphabet before any of the AI's, and was surprised that I was doing this well- though that was largely due to my failure cash economy so far.
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I got Iron Working and Polytheism from Mansa for Alphabet, and traded Writing for Archery to Kublai to try and get on his good side.

I head up for Aesthetics and Literature, then pick up Currency and Code of Laws to shore up my economy. Holding off on changing civics until I finish music to hopefully use the GA to swap civics. Trading currency and alphabet has backfilled me nicely, with currency grabbing me Monarchy from Mansa, so I can start making some Winery's on all these grapes, and possibly using HR, though I've got a rather high happy cap already.

Here's my empire at 25 AD:
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To 1766:
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I finished blocking off the continent with the help of a barb city at the northeast of my territory, though Egypt took the city the turn before I got units there to raze it. I already had a settler on the way to settle the fish/banana/cow spot on the coast for a GP farm (it's late, but Washington's been doing fine so far, pumping out several scientists). I had set New York to working on the Parthenon while waiting on techs to get some failure cash, but I ended up finishing it before any of the AI's. I used my GA from Music to switch into Representation/Hereditary Rule/Organized religion.

As I was settling my cities, I achieved a first for me- I'd forgotten I had this quest, but events can be nice sometimes.
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Overall, I developed a reasonable tech lead on my continent- I finished settling my cities and easily won the liberalism race, picking up Nationalism. I started on Taj Mahal in Philadelphia, and started picking up techs towards Steel. I traded Optics from Mansa and sent caravels out in each direction to try for circumnavigation, and run into Saladin and Wang Kong heading west, but neither of them will give me a map to help out. However, my eastern caravel runs into Willam, and he's happy to give me his map for a bit of $.
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This got me circumnavigation, and I found that the other continent wasn't doing any better in techs, and seems to be a big feud between Willam and Saladin, with Wang Kong only having a small amount of land, though he seems to be doing fine tech-wise. Meanwhile, Hatty and Kublai are occasionally bickering, though Hatty appears to be beating Kublai. Hatty converted to Christianity, so I gave in to a demand from Kublai to stop trading with her for the diplo, figuring I wanted to keep Kublai happy, even though he's still dangerous at pleased.

After picking up Astronomy, I started building a navy, figuring I'm probably going to do an intercontinental invasion once I get cannons and rifles. Once I got steel, I kept Atlanta pumping out navy, and started cranking out cannons in most of my other cities while teching to rifling. After getting rifles, I started massing up my invasion force. However, at about this time, Mansa voluntarily vassals to Hatty, who's gotten down to irritated with me, so I decide to start my warring closer to home, picking up Mansa's juicy holy cities and then finish off Hatty. Both Hatty go into WHEOOHRN, though, so I hold off on declaring, and work towards Railroad while pumping out cannons and rifles. Mansa's got Grenadiers, so having some Machine guns to help guard my stacks will be helpful too. If those two go to war, I should be able to do some nice backstabbing and pick off their cities while their army's are busy obliterating each other.

However, Kublai throws a wrench in my plans by DOW'ing me, sending a stack of Keshiks and musketmen down from the north. I had a mini-stack of rifles and cannons nearby to take out the city to the northeast that Hatty had taken from the barbs, which I stuck on a hill near his stack. He suicided most of his units into my rifles, obliterating all but a couple Keshiks, which he tried scattering to pillage. I mopped them up, killed some of his stragglers, and marched my main stack up and took his nearest city. At this point, he was willing to capitulate, and I accepted, taking all of his gold, then taking his resources that I didn't have. I moved my armies back into position, finished getting Railroad, and working towards Assembly line, and declared on Hatty, sending a stack in from Kublai's territory to take out her better cities up north while another stack moved in on Mansa.

Soon,
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Djenne should help my economy significantly once it comes out of revolt, as it has both the Jewish and Taoist shrines, at about 50gpt between them, and it kept its bank and market when I captured it. After consolidating some units and moving them up into Egypt, I soon got:
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Stopping here for the night, here's how the game stands:
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Immortal/Normal

1 AD

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Settled in place. AH while working the flood plain (gets it 1 turn sooner, worker finishes 1 turn before it, we can improve the pasture right away once moving to it)

Then I farmed FP while teching masonry/wheel. Got gwall, henge went early, got mids/toa/parth/TGL. Right now I'm heading for music for the GA (will burn a golden age to switch bur) and to nab sistine (will flip multiple cities using the taoist buildings).

MM went confuc, hatty/GK tao (hatty founded tao, MM confuc). I gifted GK a city stuck tight on MM's borders to 1) get him to pleased for +4 trade and "liberation" and 2) make him border MM :lol:.

But then he declared on hatty anyway.

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All rep + settled spec for me. The cow patty site was settled first, then the gems/copper, then to the east. 2nd city handled the 2nd settler and worker needs (3rd helped somewhat) as cap was on wonderspam nonstop.



Liberalism

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Kept settling land. Only noteworthy occurrence is that hatty BEAT GK DOWN! OWNT! He declared on her but didn't make much headway, then apparently she got medieval stuff while he was still classical, so he got pantsed. I just got down the lib tree in peace and expanded a bit more.

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Bonus: the inevitable?:

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1828 Culture

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I went bio then off went the slider. Final civics rep/FS/caste/merc/pac

Most aftists bombed in philly. One bombed in boston even though it had hermitage since I bombed enough in philly to make it finish faster otherwise. I only had 8 cities so cap went w/o cathedrals not that it mattered...sistine settled GP's carried it and FS was plenty there with its head start

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Had a DP with hatty, who took MM as a voluntary vassal. I deliberately fed her tech (whatever I could get with rep + mass artists + strong capitol). She was very strong, and we were left alone. MM, hatty, and willem all seemed to have some culture notions, but I was faster!

 
Monarch Epic to 10AD

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Opening Thoughts - Marble, stone in BFC and continents map - I decided to try to build Stonehenge and Oracle in the same city to pop a GP to bulb Theology and try for an AP victory.

8 cities settled

Hut pops 180:commerce: :D but no techs :mad:

Tech order AH, Wh , Pot, Min, Mas, Mys Poly Priest, Wri, Alpha, Curr, CoL CS, Compass

Trade for Sailing Monotheism, Maths, IW, Monarchy

Settle New York 3E of Washington. It has considerable overlap with my capital, but is located on a plains hill and has the stone in it's BFC to give 14 :hammers: at one pop for Stonehenge. It will also allow Washington to spam workers and settlers.



After Priesthood is researched, I also build



My free tech - forges to help build the AP plus it's also a prerequisite for the caravels I need to spred the faith to the other continent



The Great Wall has still not been built at this point, so I have a go also in New York.



Great prophet pops and after I trade alpha to Hatty for sailing and monotheism, I bulb:



Empire at 10 AD



I'm two turns from finishing compass after that it's machinery for maces to keep Genghis at bay and optics., then missionary spam. Mansa (friendly) Hatty (pleased) and I are all currently Jewish, Genghis (annoyed) has no religion. I will switch to Christianity just before the AP is finished.

 
Erm, how do I play this on Emperor?

EDIT: As in what save? Take Immortal save and choose Emp? Or Monarch save?
 
Emperor/epic to liberalism

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Get Mids:

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I went aesthetics, but nobdy got Alpha for such a long time (genghis was the first to get it lol) but luckily Genghis was busy warring with mansa and hatty for forever. Also, the GW let me steal no less than 4 important techs from the puny Mansa: monarchy, philosophy, COL, and MC.This lets me peacefully tech all I want, even though my economy was in crash after the REX. This allows me to get lib at 1110 AD, which is pretty late for me.

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The current state of America north:

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Yeah, a lot of cottages. Looks like democracy is the way to go. I could easily just workshop spam over everything, which I might do. Game looks pretty strong from here.

 
I haven't played CIV in a while, so this looked like an easy one to get back into the swing of things.

Emperor/Epic to 25 AD:

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With stone and marble, I went for some wonders:

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Even managed to self research to Theo for AP hammers/diplo.

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Picked up confucianism from Oracle, so I spread it to Ghengis, who didn't have a religion now. He had already declared on Hatty and hated Mansa. The different religion just added fuel to the fire. Meanwhile I joined the Jewish block.

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Empire:

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Only 5 cities, but Mansa wasn't too intent on expansion to the south, so I still have tons of space. You'll notice I'm also teching Alphabet - no one on our continent has gotten it yet.

Going forward I'll work on settling out the land while getting the AP up for bonus hammers etc. Culture victory looks pretty easy here.




 
No real spoiler of anything just overly cautious.

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Nice map tbh all 6 (7) victory conditions seems like good options here and all seem to work.
 
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