Why do you have 2 GP just sitting there doing nothing not like you need golden ages
One is the GE for mining, which I founded a couple turns later, and the scientist came a couple turns ago - deciding whether to settle or save for ethanol.
Role Play Challenge, TNG:The Dalai Lama, A One City Challenge
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One is the GE for mining, which I founded a couple turns later, and the scientist came a couple turns ago - deciding whether to settle or save for ethanol.
Makes sense
but you got oil close you can get even if I never did myself since it feelt like breaking the rules. Never got the coal either just bought it from others feelt less rule breaking The Dark One
Settled Priest
Sistine might be worthwhile for denial... But you want to bear in mind that you've already got a settled G Artist and Statue of Zeus - do you really want Gt Artists to keep appearing instead of, say, engineers and scientists? And TMIT is right about switching civics - I've been flipping back and forth an awful lot, especially between OR and Pacifism. Market might be useful in the short term for happiness...
vanatteveldt
Emperor
I've had good fun playing this map as well, although my computer (and/or linux wine) does not like huge maps... I realised that you can actually rushbuy stuff using the shrine money, so I buy all non-wonder buildings now by taking one turn of US. I'm trying to play an OCC without either GT or NP, so that could become fun
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Another voice in ths chorus calling for the sistine chapel.
As to military id say building more is probably neccesary considering the tendency of the AI to go for the seemingly weak civilisation. Besides a strong military isn;t exactly against the Dalai Lama's ethos (warrior monks). Id continue to thoroughly buddhify China to totally prevent any reversion to the way of Confucius. Religious negetives towards a powerful neighbor can't be good.
As to military id say building more is probably neccesary considering the tendency of the AI to go for the seemingly weak civilisation. Besides a strong military isn;t exactly against the Dalai Lama's ethos (warrior monks). Id continue to thoroughly buddhify China to totally prevent any reversion to the way of Confucius. Religious negetives towards a powerful neighbor can't be good.
But the nice thing about this starting place is that everyone around you is friendly sort of. Obivously india wont declare war and they will have our religion anyway and love us. China will most likely have bud all game and since you stay in bura chinas favorite civ the entire game china will love us to. Now cyrus is quite easy to please and keep friendly/pleased. Even if he change religion you hardly get any diplo hit for not being in the same religion as cyrus. And since the AI very much prefer attacking close neigbours we are sort of safe. Japan can declare but they wont send an army with ships maybe we meet a swordman of theres
dalamb
Deity
I shadowed in a noble-level game and won space race in 2011, sort of, but there appear to be some rules I don't understand.
Spoiler :
slider, and carefully watched until he was a fair number of turns from finishing his last spaceship parts tech (fusion), then launched. This time the ship landed OK.The Dark One
Settled Priest
Hmm... In my shadow I've had China and Persia at friendly - Persia until he got vassaled by Catherine and converted to Judaism, then he was only pleased. But India went FR as soon as he got Lib and declared on me. Big stack of swords got to my fortified pass with about twenty level four rifles and went away again, and I bought peace for about 50 gold a few turns later.But the nice thing about this starting place is that everyone around you is friendly sort of. Obivously india wont declare war and they will have our religion anyway and love us. China will most likely have bud all game and since you stay in bura chinas favorite civ the entire game china will love us to. Now cyrus is quite easy to please and keep friendly/pleased. Even if he change religion you hardly get any diplo hit for not being in the same religion as cyrus. And since the AI very much prefer attacking close neigbours we are sort of safe. Japan can declare but they wont send an army with ships maybe we meet a swordman of theres
Before that I had DOWs but no actual troops from Rome, Spain and Greece, but they're now all safely vassaled to China
More recently I've had a DP with China, and Monty declared war on me nonetheless. A handful of cuirassiers (or however you spell it) and trebs dismebarked on my coastline, and got eaten by a stack of Chinese tanks. Thanks Qin!
But now I'm worried about Catherine. She's WHEOOHRNing, annoyed with me, and I'm just hoping it's the French she's got her eye on - Louis and I are the only ones not in one of three big blocs.
Sorry, I've waffled on for ages. My point is that you're bound to be weak - weakest by far once you're a way in, and there is a danger of dogpile, most likely from a non-Buddhist Europe. Trying to get Persia onside is a good idea, and keeping China happy is essential, and both of these are fairly easy, but a reasonable stack of modern defensive units guarding the mountain pass could help avert disaster.
I would like to place it on record that I have not enjoyed a game so much for ages. For me, this is the perfect balance between Neal's KotWs and Mad's RPCs. More, please!
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I did a shadow and I got declared on quite regurlarly.
Mostly by Christian Europe. At one point Rome declared war and bribed in the rest of christendom on their holy war against me (Spain, England, France, Greece). They brought along a huge stack which was obliterated by the chinese who i bribed in on my side to divert the romans from me and distract Qin (techmaster of my game).
Interestingly i had a whim and decided to gift a whole bunch of techs to monty once i met him. That combined with his recent conversion to buddhism led him to become a very powerful and helpful friend. (Persia, China, Russia, India, Azteca and even shockingly JAPAN got to friendly with me) (Everyone else was annoyed at me though [Jewish block and Christian Block])
Anyways, having decent military so your not THE weakest is good. Because unfortunately your not guaranteed safety by your neighbors.
Mostly by Christian Europe. At one point Rome declared war and bribed in the rest of christendom on their holy war against me (Spain, England, France, Greece). They brought along a huge stack which was obliterated by the chinese who i bribed in on my side to divert the romans from me and distract Qin (techmaster of my game).
Interestingly i had a whim and decided to gift a whole bunch of techs to monty once i met him. That combined with his recent conversion to buddhism led him to become a very powerful and helpful friend. (Persia, China, Russia, India, Azteca and even shockingly JAPAN got to friendly with me) (Everyone else was annoyed at me though [Jewish block and Christian Block])
Anyways, having decent military so your not THE weakest is good. Because unfortunately your not guaranteed safety by your neighbors.
Was it just in my game where the AI almost never actully sent any troops attacking the army fortified at the entrance I had some DOW but no one actully ever tried to attack the army at the entrance they just ran around with there troops on the other side of the mountain.
8 turns from papper and world maps
Sorry, I mean he *pulled* a Neal
The point is, he didn't have to wait until paper at 600AD to establish trade. Just pointing out a suboptimal strat in this strategy thread.
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
The Dalai Lama: Choices
The Dalai Lama instructs the Tibetans to begin down the path of Liberalism, for good things shall come from that noble sibject.
Paper/Philosophy/Education/Liberalism
Meanwhile the Arabs have come by asking for alms.
The dalai gives it freely, as Tibet has a mighty treasury.
Next the Russian Queen offer s good trade for Tibet.
Howver, not all the world is happy with the dala Lama
The Spanish lady is unapproachable, however the Malinese seams open to trade as long as profit is involved.
As a mighty method to prevent any other leaders from going along the culture path, the dalai Lama begins
The persians have turned into one of Tibet's best friends, especially after they have vassaled Asoka
And another European has come our way who is not quite happy with the Dala Lama
What is it with Europe that they do not see the road to peace is through tibet?
Soon Lhasa finishes
And the culture pressure on India and China becomes EXTREME!
And we continue to make trades with the Persians
The map was veyr helpful
Both China and India are squeezed in land, Asoka by us and the Persians and Qin by Us, Genghis, and other nations that appear to have taken out some Barbarian cities within China's proper sphere of influence. Very interesting.
We did finish the U os S wonder, and started Ankor Wat
Once we got Philosophy we used it to backfill alot
A major haul at the same time we got a major wonder
we continued making stronger and stronger trade with our excess treasury.
As we finished the University of Sakore
We started on the next Wonder, the Haggia Sophia
Unfortunately we lost out on this one to Cyrus. Ditto with the Taj Mahal which Louis built.
With one final trade to Cathy
we see the tech situation is
Top dog, in an OCC!
Now the world is not completely at peace, as Hatty seams to be the dogpile target.
To Be Continued..............
The Dalai Lama instructs the Tibetans to begin down the path of Liberalism, for good things shall come from that noble sibject.
Paper/Philosophy/Education/Liberalism
Meanwhile the Arabs have come by asking for alms.
The dalai gives it freely, as Tibet has a mighty treasury.
Next the Russian Queen offer s good trade for Tibet.
Howver, not all the world is happy with the dala Lama
The Spanish lady is unapproachable, however the Malinese seams open to trade as long as profit is involved.
As a mighty method to prevent any other leaders from going along the culture path, the dalai Lama begins
The persians have turned into one of Tibet's best friends, especially after they have vassaled Asoka
And another European has come our way who is not quite happy with the Dala Lama
What is it with Europe that they do not see the road to peace is through tibet?
Soon Lhasa finishes
And the culture pressure on India and China becomes EXTREME!
And we continue to make trades with the Persians
The map was veyr helpful
Both China and India are squeezed in land, Asoka by us and the Persians and Qin by Us, Genghis, and other nations that appear to have taken out some Barbarian cities within China's proper sphere of influence. Very interesting.
We did finish the U os S wonder, and started Ankor Wat
Once we got Philosophy we used it to backfill alot
A major haul at the same time we got a major wonder
we continued making stronger and stronger trade with our excess treasury.
As we finished the University of Sakore
We started on the next Wonder, the Haggia Sophia
Unfortunately we lost out on this one to Cyrus. Ditto with the Taj Mahal which Louis built.
With one final trade to Cathy
we see the tech situation is
Top dog, in an OCC!
Now the world is not completely at peace, as Hatty seams to be the dogpile target.
To Be Continued..............
Someone needs a lesson in how trade networks function. You should probably check out the strategy article on it.
Way to shoot the messenger, TMIT.
He hasn't met 5 of the civs he can walk to, that is a trading opportunity lost to poor scouting.
For the Civs he met passively, scouting could have opened those trades earlier. That is about optimizing strat, not trade mechanics.
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
The Dalai Lama: Choices
I should say we got 4 Great People up to here
Wilbut Wright (GE)
Raphael (GA)
Kobo Daishi (GP)
Roselin Franklin (GS)
Which were all settled.
We also culture crushed two cities, one Indian and the other CHniese.
We also managed to get Gunpowder before finishing Liberalism
Here is Lhasa
And you can see we are upping the happy cap with buildings as starting to windmill those hills.
Once the wave of wonder building passed for a while we adjusted civics to adopt Pacifism.
And became first to
We took Chemistry for free. I know not exactly the strongest tech for a peaceful game but really the best for trade fodder.
We swing the trade with the weaker Asoka
I also noticed a rarity at emperor difficulty, at least for myself. We were first to liberalsim yet economics has not yet been discovered (we researched banking next if you had not noticed). The race is close, so I decided to
Building beakers boosted the rate enough that we could
First to economics! We got Ibu Battuta who was settled in Lhasa giving us one extra food! The gold and beakers don't hurt either.
we adjust civics
And started researching Printing Press.
Meanwhile, Mansa came by with a very useful trade.
Not that the dalai Lama plans to build a Navy, but the Observatory seams like the next best building to get!
I have noticed that Louis is much more of an issue this game, so looking at Europe
Without Germany France has expanded well, apparently at the expense of Rome! Also Isabella had three cities since she was placed on the coast.
Once we got
It was time to make a decision
I saved here looking for advice. Looks like we have a few pathes
Replaceable Parts/Steam Power for production (better windmills and the levee)
Constitution/democracy/corporation for trade/SoL wonder
Scientific Method/Physics/Biology for more free GPs but losing some significant buildings (Great Library and Monestaries).
Techwise
I am guessing constituion will open up to us soon enough, the AIS seam to love that tech.
Lhasa
We have only 2 National Wonder, the National Epic and OXford. Waiting on the Globe theater for now.
And the Glance screen you can see the Dalai Lama is well loved!
At least by those that count. As far as Military we built ONE musket!
So there we have it. I am thinking of the replaceable parts and Steam Power.
We also need to seriously start to think about Corps and whether we want to save a few GPs for them. Aluminum Inc seams like a logical one for the next GS. Regarding Coal and oil, this has been a great OCC so far, so I think the dalai Lama will permit them as I envision us going to space.
I should say we got 4 Great People up to here
Wilbut Wright (GE)
Raphael (GA)
Kobo Daishi (GP)
Roselin Franklin (GS)
Which were all settled.
We also culture crushed two cities, one Indian and the other CHniese.
We also managed to get Gunpowder before finishing Liberalism
Here is Lhasa
And you can see we are upping the happy cap with buildings as starting to windmill those hills.
Once the wave of wonder building passed for a while we adjusted civics to adopt Pacifism.
And became first to
We took Chemistry for free. I know not exactly the strongest tech for a peaceful game but really the best for trade fodder.
We swing the trade with the weaker Asoka
I also noticed a rarity at emperor difficulty, at least for myself. We were first to liberalsim yet economics has not yet been discovered (we researched banking next if you had not noticed). The race is close, so I decided to
Building beakers boosted the rate enough that we could
First to economics! We got Ibu Battuta who was settled in Lhasa giving us one extra food! The gold and beakers don't hurt either.
we adjust civics
And started researching Printing Press.
Meanwhile, Mansa came by with a very useful trade.
Not that the dalai Lama plans to build a Navy, but the Observatory seams like the next best building to get!
I have noticed that Louis is much more of an issue this game, so looking at Europe
Without Germany France has expanded well, apparently at the expense of Rome! Also Isabella had three cities since she was placed on the coast.
Once we got
It was time to make a decision
I saved here looking for advice. Looks like we have a few pathes
Replaceable Parts/Steam Power for production (better windmills and the levee)
Constitution/democracy/corporation for trade/SoL wonder
Scientific Method/Physics/Biology for more free GPs but losing some significant buildings (Great Library and Monestaries).
Techwise
I am guessing constituion will open up to us soon enough, the AIS seam to love that tech.
Lhasa
We have only 2 National Wonder, the National Epic and OXford. Waiting on the Globe theater for now.
And the Glance screen you can see the Dalai Lama is well loved!
At least by those that count. As far as Military we built ONE musket!
So there we have it. I am thinking of the replaceable parts and Steam Power.
We also need to seriously start to think about Corps and whether we want to save a few GPs for them. Aluminum Inc seams like a logical one for the next GS. Regarding Coal and oil, this has been a great OCC so far, so I think the dalai Lama will permit them as I envision us going to space.
dalamb
Deity
Some thoughts and questions about this setup -- not specifically mad's game. There are several things that puzzle me that I hope y'all can straighten out:
Spoiler :
resources from some AI or other.
and still getting 200+ gpt.
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
DaLamb
About the food from windmills, the extra 2 hammers are gained back by running an ankot wat priest at the expense of 2 mine tiles. Your still losing 2 overall hammers but gaining the gold, beakers, and culture.
About the food from windmills, the extra 2 hammers are gained back by running an ankot wat priest at the expense of 2 mine tiles. Your still losing 2 overall hammers but gaining the gold, beakers, and culture.
On Earth18 I think it may be better to deliberately not scout very much. That way you can trade lots of ancient tech with neighbours and retain full WFYABTA power with distant civs.
