Whole Empire challenge

Are vassals counted?? If yes, i have done it with Japan on Monarch before. In fact i surrounded almost the entire Pacific with vassals (China, Khmer, Aztecs) and settled at many other Pacific lands too. Easily larger than the largest Japan got. Will glady post screenshot if someone teaches me how to XD

ICNP said:

My Ottoman Empire (Monarch) contained Berlin, Rome, Brest Litovsk, Kilia, Athens, Parsa, a city NE of Parsa, Mecca, Trebizond, and I USED to own Egypt until they respawned. Plus Inca as a vassal.

And I STILL didn't get the UHV (I have no idea which one they faulted me on, I had Montenegro and Budapest in Balkans, 3 cities bordering the Black Sea, and there wasn't any other cities outside of southern Arabia that I didn't own in the Near East. Although I wasn't looking forward to getting 3 vassals with all of the good ones picked up.

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You wouldn't have had 3 cities in Mesopotamia is the likely failure condition.

Check out the atlas for the Turkish UHV requirements.

blizzrd said:

You wouldn't have had 3 cities in Mesopotamia is the likely failure condition.

Check out the atlas for the Turkish UHV requirements.

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Actually, there was 2 cities on the west end (Ancient Sur and Jerusalem), Baghdad, and I was lacking Kuwait. The only confusion I can see is with Istanbul but that just seems unlikely.

Please post a screenshot.

ICNP said:

I had Montenegro and Budapest in Balkans

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Budapest may not be in the area required for the Balkans, this city is usally between the Pig and the Oil on a grassland forest tile. Same could also be said for Montenegro, do you mean that you had a city in Albania perhaps? Again, a screenshot would help here.

I tried to recreate the British Empire. According to wikipedia the British Empire included, at least at some point the following countries/areas:

The ones I have are bolded, the ones my vassal had are cursivated, the that are debateable are underlined. The ones that aren't on the map are marked with # and the ones I didn't get are CAPITULATED.

Asia:



Africa



America and Atlantic



Antarctica



Europe



Pacific Ocean:



The first screenshots are taken just before I make my last militaristic expansions and start a golden age. Notice that I am stable. The latter sreenshots describe my last additions. After those I became unstable. However, I could have continued for another 15 turns or so (at least) without collapsing since Dublin will create a GS in 4 turns and a second GA will begin.

Besides that I don't have Middle East (didn't really want go there while Turks are around, and they never collapsed allthough they unstable for 100 years), the only thing really wrong is that France controls Tasmania and southern New Zealand. However, I could have taken those during my GAs. The reason that I don't play on (at the moment) is that I am going abroad tomorrov morning for a couple of weeks. I also wanted to post this before I leave to check my feedback while I am gone.

Also can anybody tell me WTH Rhye has done to the respawns, since Egypt respawned while I was stable!! I recaptured the three cities in 2 turns but that really hurt my stability and made further conquest in Middle East basicly impossible. Otherwise I might have been able to take Jerusalem and check to things out of my list. India also respawned and took Delhi from me while I was stable, though they took only Delhi and also one city from Arabs and left my five other Indian cities alone so it was bareable.

Jusos2108 said:

The first screenshots are taken just before I make my last militaristic expansions and start a golden age. Notice that I am stable.

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Actually, the straight line symbol can equate to either Stable or Shaky. Only the F2 screen will tell you for sure.

There are 6 levels of stability. Very solid and Solid (upward curve), Stable and Shaky (straight line) and Unstable and Collapsing (downward curve).

Respawns (on Monarch) can happen when there is a city within the spawn area which is owned by a civ that is Shaky or worse. Stable or above are safe on Monarch. On Emperor, respawns can happen on Stable or lower, only Solid and Very Solid are safe from respawns.

Also can anybody tell me WTH Rhye has done to the respawns, since Egypt respawned while I was stable!!

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Firstly, you may not have been Stable. You may well have been Shaky if you were only looking at the small icon on the main screen to determine this.

Secondly, there may have been another city in Egypt's spawn zone that was controlled by another civ which was at Shaky or worse. Your stability wouldn't matter in this case, the pre-requisite for the respawn would have been met by this other city.

India also respawned and took Delhi from me while I was stable, though they took only Delhi and also one city from Arabs and left my five other Indian cities alone so it was bareable.

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As above.

Okey, here is my Spanish Empire, I played an unlocked 3000BC start (Monarch). It is 1730 and the empire is complete. I am stable (last screenshot) so can easily hold this empire until the last UHV triggers. France and Germany are my vassals so Spanish Netherlands has some breathing room as well.

BTW, any suggestions which empire I should try to create next?

And blizzrd thanks for informing me about the respawning methods. Now I know which stability level must be maintained.

I guess nobody really follows this thread, but who cares. Anyway, I had to post this, since I got the Roman Empire completed in 200AD (on monarch of course), while completing the UHVs. I even kept every city until the very end, 1000AD, except two in Spain and Londinium. Got nearly a Cyrus score too, almost 35k. And for the record my stability was above zero all the time.

Well done!

oh, we follow! we just don't post ;-)

But really nice games both times, but probably goes on to show that you can only really pull of Rome when the Greeks found Paestum* ;-) * (with exceptions of certain players of course )

Yeah Jusos, we definitely follow - but I don't have any insights to offer, seen as everyone on this forum beats the hell out of me

Good job Jusos! That's some pro stability you had going on there; I always drop down into shaky/unstable...

I completely understand this is off topic... but, is it just me, or is Christianity ALWAYS founded in Mediolanum when Rome discovers Theology first? I think, maybe, just once, it was founded in Rome, but every other time has been in Mediolanum for me. Does anyone else experience this, and have any explanation as to why?

Again, sorry for the off-topicness.

I follow this thread too. I'm always amazed at how much I fail at this game compared to these guys .

Thanks for suprisingly many comments, nice!

Roman stability is easy, if you can get Oracle (currency), Great Lighthouse and Colossus. Also getting Paestum was important for my empire, since you need one less settler.

And I think you have good point JimBV, since as long as I can remember I have always seen christianity founded in Mediolanum. Maybe it is always founded inside Roman spawn zone, not sure though..

Jusos2108 said:

And I think you have good point JimBV, since as long as I can remember I have always seen christianity founded in Mediolanum. Maybe it is always founded inside Roman spawn zone, not sure though..

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I've seen it founded in Marseilles (whatever the Roman name is). I remember being concerned because I was afraid the culture was going to steal tiles from Barcelona. I'll attempt to find a screenshot.

Jusos2108 said:

Thanks for suprisingly many comments, nice!

Roman stability is easy, if you can get Oracle (currency), Great Lighthouse and Colossus. Also getting Paestum was important for my empire, since you need one less settler.

And I think you have good point JimBV, since as long as I can remember I have always seen christianity founded in Mediolanum. Maybe it is always founded inside Roman spawn zone, not sure though..

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I never really understood what determines where a religion is founded, but in my experience it's very often the city aquired after your capital that gets it, Mediolanum in casu, if no city has a religion yet. I get it in Byzantion often with Greece also. I'm sure somebody knowledgeable has some smart stuff to say soon

I only know that in regular CIV the religion will be founded mostly in cities without a religion or the least number of religions and also cities with lower population points have a higher percentage of the religion being founded there.

Perhaps it has to do with some historicality. In Mediolanum, at 313 AD Christianity was made legal by Constantine and Licinius, while...Byzantion...perhaps that it was the "seat" of Orthodox Christianity.

Actually it is always founded in the largest city. However if a city is the capitol it's population gets divided by 8 for this equation, and if it aleady has a religion it gets divided by two.