I will quote them attacking various people (none of these are attacks on me, to be fair, I'm not being vain) or you can read the thread. I'll quote them both on various taunting/insulting posts, this will just lead to more protests, but as a third party who asked I'll take the time to do so, have nothing to hide from you Takhisis.
NOTW XXXIII:An End to War: Game Thread
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Seon
Not An Evil Liar
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You swing your accusation from people to people faster than an unladen swallow flung from a trebuchet, Earthling.
You swing your accusation from people to people faster than an unladen swallow flung from a trebuchet, Earthling.
No, I'm still accusing the same people. There are exactly four people who all got together to lynch remake20 for no good reason and I hold at blame. This is the same thing I said earlier today; it's a straightforward thing I've repeatedly made clear, that yesterday's voting was misled by probably some mafia among the following: Winston, Renata, ATPG, and Nictel.
I changed votes recently because Winston and ATPG are practically begging me to (for instance I said I'd criticize anyone who abstained and rather than trying to catch mafia like ATPG wants to brag about he just continues to attack various people). But also I do think of all of them at this point Renata may be more likely to be framed/set up and is Innocent - if people like Seon and civplayah can explain their support yesterday.
I changed votes recently because Winston and ATPG are practically begging me to (for instance I said I'd criticize anyone who abstained and rather than trying to catch mafia like ATPG wants to brag about he just continues to attack various people). But also I do think of all of them at this point Renata may be more likely to be framed/set up and is Innocent - if people like Seon and civplayah can explain their support yesterday.
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
A different matter, and yes this deserves it's own response, also on the plague stuff above I really hope we can get this sorted out, maybe we'll have to get rid of Nictel if the plague spreads too fast. As for why askthepizzaguy singled out my mention of the Medic who I said we should help/protect I don't know, but again I do think we should keep the medic (Bad Player) safe.
Read the thread during the last day, Day 2. Here's my case:
The accusations brought forward against CCRunner, and then remake20, were really, really shoddy. CCRunner at least showed back up and explained himself to anyone who asked on PM and I assume will still be reasonable and innoent now. Like I said, I accept that CCRunner voted genuinely to save himself, can't prove it entirely, but it makes sense and given the horrible ideas of these others I think the case against him in the first place was a distraction.
So, Several players continually changed their votes and threw up arguments that didn't make sense, and the end result was an Innocent refugee - someone who just in the last midday writeup defended our group of people was lynched. Instead of actually presenting much to debate askthepizzaguy and Winston were seizing on perceived "scummy posts" without much reason, and continued to attack various others. Hence, I suspect they are up to no good.
As for Nictel, the situation with the plague and his erratic voting does have everyone suspecting him, and again, I don't know, but he was right onboard to lynch remake (and save himself). Lastly, regarding Renata, the simple fact is I don't know if she is guilty or being framed. But she claims to have personal knowledge of what to do/when we get through the Infernal lands. And the aforementioned people plus a few others seem to have behind the scenes contact with Renata (and also interestingly, the Shieam in the "mind mage's mind" kept on quoting stuff about fear which Renata keeps talking about in thread. Again, anyone else who would be quoting Dune is behind this but otherwise it seems connected to Renata for some reason)
Lastly, I should say that after reading his last statement where he called himself insane and confused many times again, I am worried that perhaps ATPG wants to die or is hinting to us that he is comprised. Given that he should be a powerful mage and isn't doing anything helpful, I'd like to outright ask him:
What is your ability?
Why are you insane or why do you want to die? Have the demon-worshippers corrupted you like the other mage(s) and is that something we should know about?
Otherwise, statements like this don't help anyone:
Read the thread during the last day, Day 2. Here's my case:
The accusations brought forward against CCRunner, and then remake20, were really, really shoddy. CCRunner at least showed back up and explained himself to anyone who asked on PM and I assume will still be reasonable and innoent now. Like I said, I accept that CCRunner voted genuinely to save himself, can't prove it entirely, but it makes sense and given the horrible ideas of these others I think the case against him in the first place was a distraction.
So, Several players continually changed their votes and threw up arguments that didn't make sense, and the end result was an Innocent refugee - someone who just in the last midday writeup defended our group of people was lynched. Instead of actually presenting much to debate askthepizzaguy and Winston were seizing on perceived "scummy posts" without much reason, and continued to attack various others. Hence, I suspect they are up to no good.
As for Nictel, the situation with the plague and his erratic voting does have everyone suspecting him, and again, I don't know, but he was right onboard to lynch remake (and save himself). Lastly, regarding Renata, the simple fact is I don't know if she is guilty or being framed. But she claims to have personal knowledge of what to do/when we get through the Infernal lands. And the aforementioned people plus a few others seem to have behind the scenes contact with Renata (and also interestingly, the Shieam in the "mind mage's mind" kept on quoting stuff about fear which Renata keeps talking about in thread. Again, anyone else who would be quoting Dune is behind this but otherwise it seems connected to Renata for some reason)
Lastly, I should say that after reading his last statement where he called himself insane and confused many times again, I am worried that perhaps ATPG wants to die or is hinting to us that he is comprised. Given that he should be a powerful mage and isn't doing anything helpful, I'd like to outright ask him:
What is your ability?
Why are you insane or why do you want to die? Have the demon-worshippers corrupted you like the other mage(s) and is that something we should know about?
Otherwise, statements like this don't help anyone:
askthepizzaguy said:
Romanichine
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The shaman is a suspicious guy and is rarely around. You should trust your wonderful blacksmith (that's right, me!) with such an item. Vote the Newt's Tail to Romanichine folks! I shall verify its quality and repair it if need is.
I also think that turning back is a waste of time. Let's keep going ahead.
I also think that turning back is a waste of time. Let's keep going ahead.
Askthepizzaguy
Know the Dark Side
Earthling must die. Just so I don't have to gouge out my own eyes.
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
Speaking up against a full-grown man took courage, but the boy's anger overcame his nerves; "Just paint a damn big target sign right on my forehead, will you, Earthling? Point out to the monsters tearing people apart who they should rip up next?!"
He scowled.
"If anyone has a weapon in spare, can I have it to protect myself at night after this most unfortunate event? All I have is a blunt rock, ain't much for a weapon..."
He scowled.
"If anyone has a weapon in spare, can I have it to protect myself at night after this most unfortunate event? All I have is a blunt rock, ain't much for a weapon..."
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Thank you for your trust good lady! I must say that your cooking is marvelous and I can't wait to taste it again, for you are indeed an incredible cook.
Krill
Deity
I'd appreciate having the newts tail for no other reason that it helps me reach my PG.
The body mage steps forward, almost apprehensively, and it is clear he would rather have a discussion about something else completely. Pie, for instance, pie would be good. But that will have to wait. He clears his throat to speak his mind.
I'm glad I asked for a clarification, Earthling, because what you then said actually made some semblance of sense. You are still muddying the waters tremendously by involving wild theories and irrelevant details, but there is actually the core of something that, if presented slightly differently, could possibly be a case.
It's not the case you're pushing though.
The votes on CCRunner were intended as pressure, I'm sure you understand that concept. He was lurking in the shadows, something that we can't allow a character of his caliber to do { OOC: *cough*TDS*cough* }, and when called for, he came forward. That's not an indication of neither innocence nor guilt, as my mage colleague rightly pointed out, only that he actually was lurking intentionally, which obviously both Sheaim and innocents could have reason to do.
So the mob needs to find a different target, and remake is the unlucky winner. Claiming that he was obviously innocent based on what happened at midday is just silly though. What should he have done if guilty, blown his cover by letting those golems attack us? { OOC: It's a well-known custom that being mentioned in a flavor text in a write-up is in no way an indication of guilt or innocence. You can't pretend not to know that, and yet you try to push it as a point to help your case. }
remake died because of his fidgeting nature { OOC: "scummy" posts }. That's not much to build a case on, true, but certainly no better targets have presented themselves (except possibly one just now). And that's the proven and customary best way to catch the evil in your midst - put pressure and lynch on those that act as if they have something to hide. Most times you will hit an innocent, since they are the majority after all, but there's no better way to get to those that are truly evil. Yes we could try to rely solely on scan results, but until we have any that are conclusive then we have to work by other means.
It's really easy to point fingers when hindsight has proven you right, but not the least bit constructive. And if anything is scummy, it's trying to prove that you're right by touting something you couldn't possibly know in advance. Trying to look as if you've been the spearhead of the innocent cause all along, when it could all just as well be a ruse.
The only case I can hint from your wild accusations is one where CCRunner is actually in league with the Sheaim, and that some of those voting for remake did so in an attempt to spare the Chieftan. But that's clearly far from what you yourself are suggesting.
Facts:
- Voting for someone that acts defensively in thread is not scummy - it's a proven tactic.
- Basing any logic on the possibility of a frame is dubious at best, scummy at worst.
- Basing any case on anything found in a writeup is idiocy at best, scummy at worst.
- Basing any case on actions whose merit we cannot assess just won't lead anywhere at all. Examples include who voted to enter the Infernal lands, since we still don't know if it was the right choice or not.
- Basing any case on people having behind-the-scenes contact is remarkably stupid, especially if one is completely guilty of the very same.
- Basing any case on anything at all appearing in the ramblings of the Mind Mage is ridiculous. The Sheaim can project any thoughts they want there, and will obviously want us to run in circles.
Earthling, you should calm down and learn to present a case with a level head and a solid logic. Until you do, you will only serve as a distraction.
Though Nictel certainly has a lot of explaining to do.
As I dislike the obvious back-scratching protocol between the blacksmith and the wife of our good innkeeper, I will vote the newt's tail to Krill.
I'm glad I asked for a clarification, Earthling, because what you then said actually made some semblance of sense. You are still muddying the waters tremendously by involving wild theories and irrelevant details, but there is actually the core of something that, if presented slightly differently, could possibly be a case.
It's not the case you're pushing though.
The votes on CCRunner were intended as pressure, I'm sure you understand that concept. He was lurking in the shadows, something that we can't allow a character of his caliber to do { OOC: *cough*TDS*cough* }, and when called for, he came forward. That's not an indication of neither innocence nor guilt, as my mage colleague rightly pointed out, only that he actually was lurking intentionally, which obviously both Sheaim and innocents could have reason to do.
So the mob needs to find a different target, and remake is the unlucky winner. Claiming that he was obviously innocent based on what happened at midday is just silly though. What should he have done if guilty, blown his cover by letting those golems attack us? { OOC: It's a well-known custom that being mentioned in a flavor text in a write-up is in no way an indication of guilt or innocence. You can't pretend not to know that, and yet you try to push it as a point to help your case. }
remake died because of his fidgeting nature { OOC: "scummy" posts }. That's not much to build a case on, true, but certainly no better targets have presented themselves (except possibly one just now). And that's the proven and customary best way to catch the evil in your midst - put pressure and lynch on those that act as if they have something to hide. Most times you will hit an innocent, since they are the majority after all, but there's no better way to get to those that are truly evil. Yes we could try to rely solely on scan results, but until we have any that are conclusive then we have to work by other means.
It's really easy to point fingers when hindsight has proven you right, but not the least bit constructive. And if anything is scummy, it's trying to prove that you're right by touting something you couldn't possibly know in advance. Trying to look as if you've been the spearhead of the innocent cause all along, when it could all just as well be a ruse.
The only case I can hint from your wild accusations is one where CCRunner is actually in league with the Sheaim, and that some of those voting for remake did so in an attempt to spare the Chieftan. But that's clearly far from what you yourself are suggesting.
Facts:
- Voting for someone that acts defensively in thread is not scummy - it's a proven tactic.
- Basing any logic on the possibility of a frame is dubious at best, scummy at worst.
- Basing any case on anything found in a writeup is idiocy at best, scummy at worst.
- Basing any case on actions whose merit we cannot assess just won't lead anywhere at all. Examples include who voted to enter the Infernal lands, since we still don't know if it was the right choice or not.
- Basing any case on people having behind-the-scenes contact is remarkably stupid, especially if one is completely guilty of the very same.
- Basing any case on anything at all appearing in the ramblings of the Mind Mage is ridiculous. The Sheaim can project any thoughts they want there, and will obviously want us to run in circles.
Earthling, you should calm down and learn to present a case with a level head and a solid logic. Until you do, you will only serve as a distraction.
Though Nictel certainly has a lot of explaining to do.
As I dislike the obvious back-scratching protocol between the blacksmith and the wife of our good innkeeper, I will vote the newt's tail to Krill.
Krill
Deity
Public reveal: My PG is to get 3 items by the end of the game.
Make of that what you will.
Make of that what you will.
The kind Innkeeper's Wife thanks the compliment on her cooking but is more reminiscent about the good old days of inn patrons playing various card games over hearty drinks.
I can do you much better Niklas. I think that you haven't been paying attention and not given much thought to things, given your wrong impression of much below, but I can explain things too.
1) I realize some people who voted yesterday will of course be Innocent and were just on minor leads of what looked scummy. Yes, that always happens. It's also been proven to fail in just as many cases but I've spoken against the type of situations that happened yesterday (voting at the last minute, with the majority of players in the game unable to respond or place their own votes).
2-3) I'm concerned about Renata because she already directly claimed things about her Role PM, which others wanted to contradict or argue about. The same goes for some others like the start of this whole plague business -if you're going to half-claim something FROM YOUR ROLE PM and then not explain it fully, you'll leave everyone else scratching their heads. Hence, I still want to know more and I think that's reasonable. I will take the finger of suspicion off Renata for now though given the responses of others, while her responses seemed more Innocent. Though as for your next listed point,
4) Renata directly posted on the Sheiam quicktopic, or a Sheiam posted under the username "Renata." If you missed this, well you missed it, but they keep on talking about "fear" just like Renata did. It's not a "possibility" of being framed - Renata is either scum, or the scum did in fact try to frame her.
5)I've actually asked other people NOT to just listen to what the Sheiam say. I said that just a page or two ago, they are probably making us much stuff to scare us. This isn't the reason I've been suggesting anything, in fact it's bad reasoning by others (people panicked about the Infernals or whatever)
But when we get back to it, I'm worried about some things and I don't want to waste time with petty squabbles. Firstly, the plague, and if Nictel can't be healed and the plague is going to spread he probably should die. Doesn't change the Winston and ATPG have nothing good going for them, butaskthepizzaguy Nictel isn't the worst vote either, I agree with you on that Niklas.
One more thing, kindaOOC: Your assessment of game writeups is not true, it's not been true for several games where GMs HAVE hinted at who is innocent or scum, and it appears it isn't true here. Read what was written about the various plague stuff for instance, definitely seemed like hints one way or another. Regardless, though, you've given no better reason that remake was lynched and I think my assessment is better - a Mafia faction (who knew he wasn't Mafia) then inferred based on his role he could be a powerful Innocent (and was
). Consider then that the case against CCRunner started the same way (he could be powerful and wasn't around to defend himself.) I really don't see why remake was chosen other than that he was convenient to those who voted against him - so one at least is probably mafia.
I can do you much better Niklas. I think that you haven't been paying attention and not given much thought to things, given your wrong impression of much below, but I can explain things too.
1) I realize some people who voted yesterday will of course be Innocent and were just on minor leads of what looked scummy. Yes, that always happens. It's also been proven to fail in just as many cases but I've spoken against the type of situations that happened yesterday (voting at the last minute, with the majority of players in the game unable to respond or place their own votes).
2-3) I'm concerned about Renata because she already directly claimed things about her Role PM, which others wanted to contradict or argue about. The same goes for some others like the start of this whole plague business -if you're going to half-claim something FROM YOUR ROLE PM and then not explain it fully, you'll leave everyone else scratching their heads. Hence, I still want to know more and I think that's reasonable. I will take the finger of suspicion off Renata for now though given the responses of others, while her responses seemed more Innocent. Though as for your next listed point,
4) Renata directly posted on the Sheiam quicktopic, or a Sheiam posted under the username "Renata." If you missed this, well you missed it, but they keep on talking about "fear" just like Renata did. It's not a "possibility" of being framed - Renata is either scum, or the scum did in fact try to frame her.
5)I've actually asked other people NOT to just listen to what the Sheiam say. I said that just a page or two ago, they are probably making us much stuff to scare us. This isn't the reason I've been suggesting anything, in fact it's bad reasoning by others (people panicked about the Infernals or whatever)
But when we get back to it, I'm worried about some things and I don't want to waste time with petty squabbles. Firstly, the plague, and if Nictel can't be healed and the plague is going to spread he probably should die. Doesn't change the Winston and ATPG have nothing good going for them, but
One more thing, kindaOOC: Your assessment of game writeups is not true, it's not been true for several games where GMs HAVE hinted at who is innocent or scum, and it appears it isn't true here. Read what was written about the various plague stuff for instance, definitely seemed like hints one way or another. Regardless, though, you've given no better reason that remake was lynched and I think my assessment is better - a Mafia faction (who knew he wasn't Mafia) then inferred based on his role he could be a powerful Innocent (and was
). Consider then that the case against CCRunner started the same way (he could be powerful and wasn't around to defend himself.) I really don't see why remake was chosen other than that he was convenient to those who voted against him - so one at least is probably mafia.
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About the plague, three of us claimed being infected so far: Link16, Nictel and civplayah. And we've heard that someone might be able to cure it. Can Link or civplayah confirm if they have been cured or not?
I'm hesitant to vote anything to the Shaman (TheLastOne36) when he isn't even around, and is still another orc, who could be a bandit. That said, Krill the Merchant, I'm not sure what you mean - do you just need three things at some point or how does it help out right now?
Romanichine - I suspect Bad Player has been curing people, he is the Medic and hinted he could do so, which is why I suggested we protect him, and askthepizzaguy implied we should kill him
Still, might be good to get rid of the last plague carrier if Nictel is him so I will honestly consider that too if that's what we all want.
Romanichine - I suspect Bad Player has been curing people, he is the Medic and hinted he could do so, which is why I suggested we protect him, and askthepizzaguy implied we should kill him
Still, might be good to get rid of the last plague carrier if Nictel is him so I will honestly consider that too if that's what we all want.
I saw it, but trying to make anything by it is pointless. Either the mafia is (clumsily) trying to frame her, or it's a double-bluff where they try to make her appear innocent by clumsily framing her. Either Renata is innocent, or she is not. Gee, that sort of covers all possibilities, eh?
Advising people not to listen to what's said by the Mind Mage { QT } is good - you should listen to your own advise then.
Oh, and since I was the first one to cast a vote on CCRunner, good luck in trying to convince me that I did so because he was an easy target.
We should stay our course. Hesitation will be our undoing for certain.
Askthepizzaguy
Know the Dark Side
Didn't someone die from a rock last night?
I'm not accusing you, but apparently a rock is much for a weapon these days.
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