Embassy to CDZ Land

Here is my proposed revision. I removed some stuff they don't need to know yet like how the Amazons are going for the Great Wall.

Dear Robi,

Thank you for your note. We apologize for neglecting to confirm our agreement to your NAP revision. It was one of those no-brainer things that slipped away from us. Adjusting it to turn 100 just makes plain sense and we readily accept- a NAP until turn 100 with the option to renew of course. :)

We wanted to let you know that we have another exploring workboat that set out from our homeland a long time ago. We have met every team except one, Sirius, who we will meet shortly. The layout of teams around the star-shaped continent is as follows (going clockwise): You, Quatronia, Mavericks, Sirius, Amazon, Merlot.

Even though the Amazons are furthest away from us, we have met them since they also sent out a workboat some time ago. They are very eager diplomats and share our belief that alliances and cooperation will be key in this game. They proposed an exclusive tech trading treaty (ETTT) which we agreed to. Team Sirius has also joined and we are now looking for a fourth and final team to complete our trading cooperative. The Amazons, Sirius and Quatronia would all like CDZ to be that team.

The treaty is as follows:

The ETTT​

The Exclusive Tech-Trading Treaty​

The Exclusive Tech Trading Treaty is the governing treaty of the Exclusive Tech Trading Alliance (ETTA), which is composed of the members of the ETTT.

Section 1. Members of the ETTT
1.1. Teams Amazon, Sirius and Quatonia.​
Section 2. Addition and Subtraction of Members
2.1. New members may be added by unanimous agreement of all current members.

2.2. A member may be removed by unanimous consent of all other current members.

2.3. A member may be removed at any time if they are proved to have violated any of the terms of this treaty.​
Section 3. Treaty Duration and Cancellation Terms
3.1. The treaty continues indefinitely until it is canceled.

3.2. The treaty can be canceled at any time by the mutual agreement of all members.​

Section 4. Trading Policies
4.1. Members agree to trade freely and generously with all other members.

4.2. Members agree to trade with non-members only with unanimous consent from all other current members.

4.3. Members will be open and forthright about research plans to avoid duplication of effort and ensure rapid progress.

4.4. All technology shall be shared openly, upon request, without regard to beaker value.​
Section 5. Amendments
5.1. A proposed amendment may be submitted by any member. The proposed amendment must be sent to all members.

5.2. A proposed amendment will be adopted upon the agreement of all members.​
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We really hope you will be interested in joining. The benefits are pretty great. Sirius has already teched Alphabet and we got a windfall of techs right away. Since tech trading is enable for this MTDG it is inevitable that the ETTT is going to dominate the first stage of the game. The two teams outside of the ETTT are going to rapidly fall behind.

It won't be too long before you meet the Amazon workboat. They are very anxious to lock in the last member of the ETTT. While we understand that something this important takes time to discuss we hope that you can decide quickly. If you have any questions or concerns please don't hesitate to let us know.

Sincerely,

Earthling
Team Quatronia
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Yup, sounds good, just don't forget to edit the first clause indicating that us, Sirius and Amazon are all part of the agreement. Hopefully you can wait for one more "aye" before sending, though this should go soon.
 
I sent it. I apologize if anyone had any concerns, but we need to move fast.
 
I'm going to send this:

Dear Robi,

We appreciate it takes time to discuss something as substantial as the exclusive tech trading treaty we shared with you. While the benefits should be obvious, we understand it's still a pretty momentus decision. Again, if you have any questions or concerns don't hesitate to let us know.

We really do hope that Team CDZ will choose to become the fourth member of the ETTT. We have all agreed to wait to hear from you before we make the offer to someone else. But if we don't hear back soon we will have to assume that this is something that you just aren't interested in. So please let us know how you guys feel about the treaty.

Sincerely,

Earthling
Team Quatronia
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I think we need to take a firmer stance than 'soon'
Our deadline for the Ultimatum should be the end of the NEXT turn (slightly more than 60hrs away). We should indicate this in the polite message.

Dear Robi,

We appreciate it takes time to discuss something as substantial as the exclusive tech trading treaty we shared with you. While the benefits should be obvious, we understand it's still a momentus decision. Again, if you have any questions or concerns don't hesitate to let us know.

Should Team CDZ choose to become the fourth member of the ETTT, we look forward to working with you. As timing is critical we urge you to move swiftly. The team have agreed that we would wait to hear from you before we make the offer to someone else however if we don't hear back within the next turn we will have to assume that this is something that you just aren't interested in. So please let us know how you guys feel about the treaty.

Sincerely,

Earthling
Team Quatronia
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Does that sound too demanding now?
 
I'm going to send this:

Dear Robi,

We had hoped to hear back from you by now regarding the ETTT proposal. Again, let me stress that the Amazons, Sirius and Quatronia would all really like you guys in the ETTT.

At this point timing is critical and we urge you complete your deliberations. If you would like to join the ETTT we need to hear from you before the end of this turn. If we don't hear from you we will have to assume that you have declined.

Sincerely,

Earthling
Team Quatronia
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I'm not a fan of rushing them. If they need the time to discuss, we should give it to them, just like we expected a little more time than the other teams when it came to the early turns in the game. I don't like being rushed by the Amazons, and I'd rather let CDZ join (or decline) the ETTT on their time than them declining it because we pester them. I would send the first message, minus a line:

Dear Robi,

We appreciate it takes time to discuss something as substantial as the exclusive tech trading treaty we shared with you. While the benefits should be obvious, we understand it's still a pretty momentus decision. Again, if you have any questions or concerns don't hesitate to let us know.

We really do hope that Team CDZ will choose to become the fourth member of the ETTT. We have all agreed to wait to hear from you before we make the offer to someone else. So please let us know how you guys feel about the treaty.

Sincerely,

Earthling
Team Quatronia
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This way it is in no way demanding, and the subtle line of "to hear from you before we make the offer to someone else" will make it clear that a decline of the ETTT means choosing the 2 side in a 4v2.

Tell the Amazons to wait. We can block Merlot's or Maverick's entry if the Amazons get crazy and send out an invite.
 
Actually we've sent both messages.

We still haven't heard from them since we made the original offer. I would be alot less concerned if they had sent us a note after our polite reminder.
 
RegentMan said:
Ah. I just read "going to send" and assumed it wasn't yet.
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Ah Sorry, I probably could have held off a bit longer before sending. This one was a timed follow up that we had scheduled to go out tonight though.

I really hope this gets CDZs attention. They might be thinking that they can shop around a bit first and maybe get an rival alliance going with Mavericks and Merlot (who they already seem to be more fond of than us). But since we let the cat out the bag and revealed the ETTT we really need to know soon. Letting them take as much time as they "need" effectively gives them the reigns of the ETTT. Giving them a deadline though will really put their feet to fire and force them to get off the fence.

If they have been leaning towards the ETTT and just wanted to see if they could somehow get a better deal then this will be the push they need to commit.

But if they don't want to be in the ETTT then they can't continue to drag it out any longer after this turn.
 
cav scout said:
But since we let the cat out the bag and revealed the ETTT we really need to know soon. Letting them take as much time as they "need" effectively gives them the reigns of the ETTT. Giving them a deadline though will really put their feet to fire and force them to get off the fence.
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Bah, there you go making sense again.

I hope they choose to side with us- out of the three teams they're the ones I like the most.
 
At the end of the coming turn (T57) it will be have been approx 1 week to decide if they want in or out. More than enough time to discuss and run a poll about it UNLESS they were already negotiating something else. I can understand why Amazons are keen to firm this up. Every turn of delay weakens the treaty and assuming CDZ don't go for it we have to negotiate with Mavs whom we MUST convince to join as CDZ (and assumably Merlot) will know immediately what we're up to.
 
HAZZAH!

We have word from the CDZ people!

Hi Earthing,

Thanks for your patience. There was a delay to the begining of discussions as some of the team members raised concerns that it may not have been within the rules to enter a treaty with a team not met in-game, so we requested clarification from the admins. That's all been cleared up, we concluded our discussions and I am pleased to say that Team CDZ voted in favour of joining the alliance. You may pass the word onto the other team

Regards
Robi
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Let the word go out. Please inform our treaty partners!
 
:woohoo: I officially declare today, July 6, to be ETTT day.[party]
 
tech update from CDZ:

Hello to our fellow alliance members,

As per the alliance agreement Team CDZ would like to inform you that we are researching Metal Casting

Regards
Robi, CDZ
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Ok, we need to send CDZ a message about their settler party we've spotted. Something like:
Dear Robi:
Thanks for letting us know about Metal Casting. We are researching calendarDo they know this? They should.

Now, down to business. We seem to be caught in a bit of a settler race (which you are obviously winning). We would like to propose that whichever team gets the stone share it by occasionally gifting it to the other team when they need it to build a building, such as Moai Statues. We will be sending out a settler shortly, and that city will have a free monument in it, and therefore more culture.

We don't want this issue to harm our alliance in any way, and we are perfectly happy to accept you beating us in a race fair and square (though that's not to say we aren't going to try to settle). We would also like to let you know we do not plan on building the Pyramids or the Great Wall.
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It might be best to wait for them to settle first...
 
I don't like this message in that it will probably sound annoyed. Basically, we know the settler/city is there, so it's a bit late to discuss things. If we'd caught them a couple turns back they might have told us "oh, our settler will be there first) but we can't really do anything about it now.

If anything, suggesting culture battles or the like could get annoying. If we must later on we can fit in a city where we have room (if they settle in place, we could settle by the southern Oasis+clam, and our culture will win out down there).

But we do need a message for just in general catching up with things. So if the team still wants to talk about the stone I guess that's all right, if not we'll draft up another one talking about tech, exploration maybe (ask about any more MERLOT ships at the least).
 
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