Deity Plus 1 Classic Succession Game 2

Thanks, but it's really Andu who deserves most of the credit. Having the ship chain in place and all those trade goods sitting there in the West made it possible.

Getting about 1400-1900 gold and beakers from trade to go 800g from arrows each turn really opens up your options!

Great job Tim! I'm sure that there was a great deal happening and it took you quite a while to play all of those turns. Yikes. So where DID Newton's end up being built?

I know that I'm not too far removed here, but since I'm leaving for Chicago, would you all mind if I play and post tonight (Friday)?

Of course, if Viking and Old n Slow play, I'd probably not get a turn anyway. Yet, I'm ready to go and I would love another crack at this if it's OK.

Let me know.

No problem, go ahead and play as long as you do not conquer the world or land a spaceship . We've made amazing progress and the game is unrecognizable since I played last time but I'd like to play one more time.

Works for me.

I get an error ("file is not a saved game" or something like that) when attempting to load Tim's 1700 AD file

I looked at the file a hex editor and saw nothing obviously scrambled at the start of the file. It's probably a good idea for Tim to repost the file as a zip file after checking if it works on his machine, at least if I'm not the only one having problems.

I'll try to repost the file tonight. I tried using the upload server rather than zipping it so I could have screwed something up. I'll try the other way this time.

As discussed, Newton is in Kaupang which has a library and I think a university now as well. Trondheim is not far behind but I think Kaupang will still be better for einsteins once the swamps are done being drained (in progress). Having Shake's there means it is easier to continue its celebration growth whereas Trondheim is, I believe, now sporting one unhappy redhead.

Darwin and Adam Smith were built in the little town of Richmond - I put them there for several reasons:
- Perhaps most importantly, since it was one of the last English cities taken it had 4 supported dragoons nearby which were put into Darwin to cut costs. There were also some defenders nearby that could move there so it would not be too juicy of a target.
- It was not on our borders with the other civs so it was not likely to be a sneak attack target and it was not on a wilderness frontier where barbs were likely to become "Wrathful"
- Since it was a recently-built city it was early in the turn order. This was more a factor with ASTCo but it bought me a few extra beakers on Darwin as well.

CfC was built in Trondheim because I wanted to rush a few food freights to make sure I could pay for it that turn and the best place to build those freights and feed them into one city was there. Otherwise I would have tried to build it in a newer city, earlier in the turn cycle as well.

Suffrage was built in Cardiff, since my glorious city from the last go-around had lost it's Gardens and I wanted it to be a great city again (plus it is also far away from the other civs and not on a wilderness frontier. I forget where I put Hoover. It might have been in Cardiff as well.

I have to agree with Viking that after this much time the game was basically unrecognizable from when I saw it before. I'm slow enough at this game as it is, but the unfamiliarity made it that much worse.

If you have trouble uploading it or zipping it, you can always try to email it to me if you'd like.

zipped file...

Has anyone else been able to load the file?

Oh $#!+, I just figured out the problem. I apparently screwed something up when I Cedric-ized my MGE when I reinstalled after my hard drive blew. It looks like I have it as 2.7.8 (Fantastic worlds) instead of 2.4.2. I don't know if anyone else has that or is willing to go through the patches from Cedric. Otherwise I guess we have to go back to the 1600 save and replay.

I'm really sorry.

I'd say let Kev play from the 1600 turn if he still can. That should give Tim time to fix his version.

Loki was bored.

In Asgard, there was only so much trouble he could cause without the ravens of Odin spotting him. He did not wish to feel the shock of Thor’s Mjollnir this day, and so Loki peered where he had not done so in a good long time – toward the people of Midgard.

It had been a long time indeed. These people did not worship the gods as they had before. Instead, they now worshipped things like money, power, and domination. This make the evil god smile, for he knew now what he may be able to bring about:

RAGNAROK!

It was foretold that he would have a hand in the ending of the world, and with his scheming, he knew that the new world would be his to rule. To the realm of Niflheim went word to his daughter, Hel, that soon she would be receiving the world of Midgard. The Fenris Wolf Brood was prepared to attack, and the giants of Jotunnheim would also join.

What Loki must do, is start the chaos.

Down the rainbow bridge in the guise of a Valkyrie did Loki pass the guardians and enter the realm of men. Not much notice was given, for the Valkyries had been busy with the war between the Vikings and the English with many a fallen hero being brought to Valhalla.

Loki, however, looked upon the world of men and saw only his target: the Viking civilization, which held sway in all world events. They would be the catalyst.

The president of the Vikings was a good man named Kev. It was a simple matter to kill the man and take his place – and simple, too, to wreak the havoc needed to start Ragnarok.

1600: Claiming a need for money, Loki/Kev begins selling several city improvements. He also begins disbanding much of the military claiming peaceful times. The citizens are wary, and they become even more so as every Viking city is renamed to reflect the name of Kev.

When the wise men approach Loki/Kev with conscription, the false president tells them to study Fundamentalism, surely a VERY important technology.

Persians discover Railroad and start Darwin’s. There is HUGE barbarian unrest near KevNarfon. Loki/Kev is pleased.

1610: An English settling group is bribed at the behest of Loki/Kev, and a new city is built two “hexes” away from Oxford. A palace is rushed here. This sets many cities to revolting against the president and his strange actions.

Loki/Kev responds by contacting the Babylonians, Indians, and Persians and giving away all of the Viking technology. He takes none in return.

Yet ANOTHER very large barbarian uprising near KevNarfon. Loki/Kev begins a palace at KevNarfon as the English seem too dopey to attack.

1620: Cities being upset have sent the Viking civilization into anarchy. Loki/Kev is drunk with glee and he continues to sell off infrastructure. The palace in KevNarfon is finished – the barbarians are at the gate.

1630: KevNarfon – the new capital – is captured by barbarians. Alas, the Viking civilization holds and does NOT SPLIT!!! No new palace built. KevRow is also captured.

1640: The barbarians are spreading, and Loki/Kev is disappointed that the rest of the world is doing nothing. Finally, the Persians discover Darwin and then become industrialized. They start the Eiffel Tower and Women’s Suffrage. The Indians start the Eiffel Tower as well.

1650: Since the English just will NOT attack, Loki/Kev makes friends and gives them some technology including: Literacy, Math, Conscription, Philosophy, Republic, Writing, Gunpowder, Astronomy, Monotheism, Physics, Banking, Sanitation, Magnetism, University, Metallurgy, Leadership, Explosives, Democracy, Chemistry, Chivalry, Theology, and Medicine.

All foreign powers are ‘enthusiastic’ toward the Vikings. That won’t last for long. Loki/Kev cancels the alliance with the Persians and sneak-attacks the Babylonians.

1660: An official Despotism is established, and war is declared with the Indians and a sneak attack is performed against the English.

An Indian frigate sinks three Viking ships. NOW we’re getting somewhere thinks the god of trickery.

1670:

A sneak attack against the Persians sets the entire world against the Vikings. Still the other civilizations are so inept that it makes no difference really. Even the news that MORE barbarians are gathering near KevNarfon does nothing to cheer him up. Even the barbarians are failing to attack.

Ur builds the Eiffel tower. Big deal.

1680:

While still no fighting, the Persians complete Women’s Suffrage.

1690:

Loki is once again bored. He begins to realize that this is not the time for Ragnarok. He should return when nuclear weapons are on hand.

1700:

Loki decides to return to Asgard and wait for a more auspicious time to ruin the entire world. Hel agrees and the giants go back to finishing their ships for the day that WILL come.

As a last act, Loki makes peace with the Persians, gives away his money, and then sneak-attacks again.

Notes:

Well, it’s not hard to figure what I was trying to do here. Ended up a bit different than Tim’s no doubt! I thought I’d give us a bit of a challenge and make the game more interesting.

I didn’t cause all of the damage I could have, mainly because I thought that we would have our civilization split when our capital fell. I wonder why it didn’t. Out of curiosity, I went back to 1600 and rigged it so the English would actually take the capital, and it didn’t split then either. I thought having too much money was the problem, but the same thing happened with having 100 gold only.

Anyway, we have an unhappy bunch of Vikings now. Most of the military has been disbanded, and I’ve done the same with most of the caravans about. I missed a few, I’m sure, but I also sold off much of the infrastructure.

This should really give the next few players some fun. However, my prediction is that by the time I get the game again we’ll have it in hand once more or have it won.

Ah well, I should have starved some cities….

Enjoy.

I wonder which semi reality TV show Kev has been watching?

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This must be the first time someone attempts to destroy one's own empire in a succession game. I knew despotism sucks but it does so even more than I thought (50% luxurues and practically everyone unhappy - we don't have a capital but still...)

There's another mess to sort out - the playing order . It seems to me it's either Tim or me that should play next, probably Tim. I'd surely be interested - the big question now is if starting recovery is priority #1 or if creating an even bigger mess is priority #1 (I suspect if it were possible to sell wonders we'd have no wonder now ).

Well, it WAS fun. I was worried to do too much lest we have NOTHING to go back to. This is why I didn't starve a bunch of cities to minimal population or disband them or anything. However, with empty cities all over the place the English never took one. And the barbs seem content to mill about where they are (and many have just disappeared!!!).

Also, I thought for sure our nation would split and you'd be stuck with all of those Kev cities until you recaptured them. Alas, there was none, and combined with the inept AI there should be an easy road back to normalcy. Our trade is just too good, and once we're back to a Democracy we'll be making enough gold to get back on track.

I think this could be a fun way to play future succession games - sort of like the mole. One of the players is randomly selected to be the destruction person (perhaps elected by an outside person) and the mole has the right to play 'in reverse' as it were at any ONE time. That person will have to carefully select when he/she strikes.

I hope someone can put up a screen shot or two. The barbarians finally did show up and their numbers are wrathful. They have a few stacks that seem to empty barbarians endlessly.

Again, I fully expect to see the game once again in hand once my next turn comes around. Sorry I couldn't do more to create a challenge.

After seeing Kev's turns I've upgraded my game to be able to use Tim's save, so I guess I'll go next.

Ok, maybe not. Hmmm, Kev decides to give us a fresh start as we see that the Barbs are actually in the game.

Here's what we have to work with:


And what were up against:

In Case you're wondering those cities in front of the Barbs are indeed empty.

Let's see if Tim can perform some magic on his round of turns. Any bets on how many cities we lose before we get them under control?

Here are additional screenshots for those following the game that cannot load it.

Our citizens are not happy:



And there is civil disorder in 40 out of 43 of our cities despite 50% luxuries. Two of the cities not in disorder are of size 1. A typical city looks like this:



I assume Tim plays next (unless he's still having trouble saving to SAV files others can read) followed by me and then Old n Slow. It seems safe to assume that I'll be playing under more interesting and difficult conditions than I was expecting a short time ago

I applied the patch and appear to be running 2.4.2 now. It is certainly a different challenge than I saw last week!

Just to make sure we don't go through this again, can someone please make sure that this file loads OK. It is Kev's file with Trond...er...KevHeim renamed "TimHeim" so that you can tell it's my file.

Forgot attachment!