The Mathnerd Administration Years - The Unity Coalition
The Long Silence
President Cull?
Wonderman - The British Premier
The War Plans - Line of Advance
The Democratic Administration - The Voting Blocs
Issues - The Political Winds
The Overview of the Nation
The Pictures arrived. The Admin had been refusing to make decisions untill they had them.
Also in the post were City Planning Pictures for all of Englands Cities.
The Administration Policies
Mathnerd Term Part 1:
Issues - The German Claim
Intermission - The Countdown
Mathnerd Term Part 2:
The Remus Proposal
The Election: The Triumvirate Coalitions
The After Election Scandal - ilduce's bid for power
The Long Silence
Spoiler :
Mathnerd Dissapears (first hint in #4839 he abdicates in #4886), soon afterwards Whosit also vanishes (#4910). With the two main leaders gone the Unity Coalition fall into inactivity. First there is a brief discussion over the chain of command, with Cull assuming command.
Things continue to not happen for awhile. A War Comprimise is reached between Ravus and Arya when he started trying to help in post #5220.
When Mathnerd returned in post #5333 he waited for pictures frst then practised his Direct Democracy untill nearly no-one was paying attention because NOTHING was happening.
Things continue to not happen for awhile. A War Comprimise is reached between Ravus and Arya when he started trying to help in post #5220.
When Mathnerd returned in post #5333 he waited for pictures frst then practised his Direct Democracy untill nearly no-one was paying attention because NOTHING was happening.
President Cull?
Spoiler :
Cull takes over when the two other presidents dissapear. The tensions between him and the opposition leader quickly rise and Cull tries to decalre Arya's group a criminal organization in post #4923 he recants it soon after. But arguement over who was going to sort out our home grown terrorist group the Copperheads continued.
Wonderman - The British Premier
Spoiler :
ilduce had allways been a supporter of wonders but once he had been given control of the British Isles his retoric of pro-wonderspamming took on a whole new level. He made it his goal, as premier of the British Isles, to start at least one wonder there.
Wonders were thus discussed for awhile. post #4711 highlights the wonders probably available. There didn't seem to be any agreement apart from the ease and use of the Collosus and that people would prefer the Aposlastic Palace in english hands then in anyone elses.
Lots of people support the GReat Library and Arya tries to champion the University of Sankore.
Wonders were thus discussed for awhile. post #4711 highlights the wonders probably available. There didn't seem to be any agreement apart from the ease and use of the Collosus and that people would prefer the Aposlastic Palace in english hands then in anyone elses.
Lots of people support the GReat Library and Arya tries to champion the University of Sankore.
The War Plans - Line of Advance
Spoiler :
Now that the English army was trained and had pushed forward there was disagreement over where we should advance next. Some wanted the lush commerce rich Germania while others wanted the production heavy Italy.
With Antium under english occupation the only way the Romans could enter south-east Gaul was through this city. Placed on a hill with a whipped wall many felt secure that it was a prime place to hold off any Roman advances.
Thus a Germanian advance could be a tactical holding action in the south with a strike in the north. While a italian advance was more about winning by overwhelming numbers.
A Compromise was proposed in post #5065 combining the desire from all sides for Italy and Germany. The Compromise allowed us to take germany first and then swing around to also take italy. But the sheer weight of so many new cities would need a few terms of peace afterwards...
While nothing was said against this compromise at the time once the pictures were delivered later showing Englands lands and cities people started trying to make their own warplan. Arya put his foot down and demanded that the compromise hold.
President Mathnerd practised his usual Direct Democracy response and help a number of votes.
With Antium under english occupation the only way the Romans could enter south-east Gaul was through this city. Placed on a hill with a whipped wall many felt secure that it was a prime place to hold off any Roman advances.
Thus a Germanian advance could be a tactical holding action in the south with a strike in the north. While a italian advance was more about winning by overwhelming numbers.
Spoiler War Advance Compromise :
A Compromise was proposed in post #5065 combining the desire from all sides for Italy and Germany. The Compromise allowed us to take germany first and then swing around to also take italy. But the sheer weight of so many new cities would need a few terms of peace afterwards...
While nothing was said against this compromise at the time once the pictures were delivered later showing Englands lands and cities people started trying to make their own warplan. Arya put his foot down and demanded that the compromise hold.
President Mathnerd practised his usual Direct Democracy response and help a number of votes.
The Democratic Administration - The Voting Blocs
Spoiler :
Mathnerd started his roll into true democracy by holding votes on all major topics. While perhaps in-efficant it showed the true unified spirit that Mathnerd and his Co-Operative party were trying to put forward
First vote: on the war (post #4723)
1)Make peace immediately
2)Attack Germany, then make peace
3)Attack Italy, then make peace
4)Take all of the Roman Empire
This form of direct Democracy came under attack straight away by Arya, who believed that this was a flawed method of choice because not everyone is as smart as everyone else, or in CIV terms... not everyone is a diety level player. Thus choices would be made worse by the dumb masses.
Once the second vote for the war plan ended in a draw MN tried to force the issue his way. It got worse when people started changing their votes. MN then tried to compromise the compromise.
This hit a nerve with Ravus, he considered himself logical, compromising a compromise made little sence to him. Once he convinced President Mathnerd he dropped the idea and agreed to use the original proposal of invading Germany then swinging round to Italy.
Unfortunatly once he posted the final plan it bacame apparant he had not understood the original proposal properly and when he put it in his own words he had drafted something different. After being corrected he then changed the subject completly and instead tried to start votes on the Heroic Epic city and the Tech Path in post #5842
When that particuler vote finished he placed a new plan in post #5899 but that STILL had the war plan wrong... by this point the only people that had been posting constantly for the past 100 or so posts were MN, Cull and Arya.
Ravus stopped lurking in post #5918 to point out the sheer lunacy of the situation and the fact that it had been over 1000 posts since something significant had happened! He called Unity impossible to manage and that Direct Democracy had caused nearly all players to leave from re-arguing the same point over and over and over again.
Cull in realising what he had helped caused instantly tried to call for a vote of no confidence. While it didn't pass, as it could only be called by the opposition leader, it showed his annoyance at Mathnerd having abused the system. Arya agreed to use his powers to call for a re-election after the first turn-set. Unfortunatly when he dissapeared after the first term it never came to pass...
Mathnerd gave himself a 7 day time limit for his next plan and managed to finish it before Arya could return and organise a re-election vote.
First vote: on the war (post #4723)
1)Make peace immediately
2)Attack Germany, then make peace
3)Attack Italy, then make peace
4)Take all of the Roman Empire
This form of direct Democracy came under attack straight away by Arya, who believed that this was a flawed method of choice because not everyone is as smart as everyone else, or in CIV terms... not everyone is a diety level player. Thus choices would be made worse by the dumb masses.
Once the second vote for the war plan ended in a draw MN tried to force the issue his way. It got worse when people started changing their votes. MN then tried to compromise the compromise.
This hit a nerve with Ravus, he considered himself logical, compromising a compromise made little sence to him. Once he convinced President Mathnerd he dropped the idea and agreed to use the original proposal of invading Germany then swinging round to Italy.
Unfortunatly once he posted the final plan it bacame apparant he had not understood the original proposal properly and when he put it in his own words he had drafted something different. After being corrected he then changed the subject completly and instead tried to start votes on the Heroic Epic city and the Tech Path in post #5842
When that particuler vote finished he placed a new plan in post #5899 but that STILL had the war plan wrong... by this point the only people that had been posting constantly for the past 100 or so posts were MN, Cull and Arya.
Ravus stopped lurking in post #5918 to point out the sheer lunacy of the situation and the fact that it had been over 1000 posts since something significant had happened! He called Unity impossible to manage and that Direct Democracy had caused nearly all players to leave from re-arguing the same point over and over and over again.
Cull in realising what he had helped caused instantly tried to call for a vote of no confidence. While it didn't pass, as it could only be called by the opposition leader, it showed his annoyance at Mathnerd having abused the system. Arya agreed to use his powers to call for a re-election after the first turn-set. Unfortunatly when he dissapeared after the first term it never came to pass...
Mathnerd gave himself a 7 day time limit for his next plan and managed to finish it before Arya could return and organise a re-election vote.
Issues - The Political Winds
Spoiler :
The Monopolitical Bloc
It was the question from the start wether this new powerful coalition could get anything done... There was slight disagreement between Arya and some of the admin, (Cull & Sonereal) over wether the opposition had any strength at all. The once powerful leader Arya made it clear that he believed with him at the helm anything was possible. The LMP stayed officially nuetral in all of this.
Moving the Captial
First brought up by Mechaerik. The Idea was commercially sound as a palace on the mainland would decrease costs but some liked the flavour of having englands captial being London... others also thought the tradeoff from less maintenance wouldn't be worth it as london was the most developed city and thus could make the most use out of the gains of being the capital.
Ireland - Annexation Target or Our Only Friend?
The ideas for taking these cities back arose here. Mechaerik and Arya were some of the most vocal supporters
New Politicians
Captain Fargle joins in post #4926 forms the Progresive Pragmatist Party (PPP)
Spectrite joins in #5026 he asks to be a part of the Co-Operative Party
Bobbtjoe joined the Imperial Party in post #5086
NedimNapoleon joined the Imperial Party in post #5457
Spam Topics - Enough to feed the World
Ravus threatened a vote of no confidence if the spam didn't stop and stuff start happening
Cannon stories - Eventually retconned
#5226
#5231
It was the question from the start wether this new powerful coalition could get anything done... There was slight disagreement between Arya and some of the admin, (Cull & Sonereal) over wether the opposition had any strength at all. The once powerful leader Arya made it clear that he believed with him at the helm anything was possible. The LMP stayed officially nuetral in all of this.
Moving the Captial
First brought up by Mechaerik. The Idea was commercially sound as a palace on the mainland would decrease costs but some liked the flavour of having englands captial being London... others also thought the tradeoff from less maintenance wouldn't be worth it as london was the most developed city and thus could make the most use out of the gains of being the capital.
Ireland - Annexation Target or Our Only Friend?
The ideas for taking these cities back arose here. Mechaerik and Arya were some of the most vocal supporters
New Politicians
Captain Fargle joins in post #4926 forms the Progresive Pragmatist Party (PPP)
Spectrite joins in #5026 he asks to be a part of the Co-Operative Party
Bobbtjoe joined the Imperial Party in post #5086
NedimNapoleon joined the Imperial Party in post #5457
Spam Topics - Enough to feed the World
- Drugs
- Glenn Beck
- Capitalism vs Communism
- spearman vs tank
- Math
- IQ scores
- Whether AI Cheats
Ravus threatened a vote of no confidence if the spam didn't stop and stuff start happening
Cannon stories - Eventually retconned
#5226
#5231
The Overview of the Nation
Spoiler :
The Pictures arrived. The Admin had been refusing to make decisions untill they had them.
Spoiler Financial Advisor :
Spoiler Resource Trading Screen :
Spoiler Technology Trading Screen :
Spoiler Gaul, The Fall of Antium :
Spoiler Iberia, The Strong arm of Europe :
Spoiler British Isles, The New City of Plymouth :
Spoiler Roman Neopilis, The Undefended lure :
Also in the post were City Planning Pictures for all of Englands Cities.
The Administration Policies
Spoiler :
The Plans for the turnset took many different forms. Ravus attempted to come up with a rough draft during President Cull's brief tenure in power (Post #5585)
When Mathnerd returned he managed to get some pictures of the state of england in post #5603 he then drafted his own plan (Post #5615) While allowing votes on various issues. During this time Whosit returned (Post #5684).
Once that was all cleared up Mathnerd sent the plan premeturly in post #5729... the opposition naturally explodes. LH offers a few more days to organise the plan... more voting commenced...
The Premature plan was sent in post #5821
The Final plan was shown in post #5899 (still the wrong war plan)
Due to the time delay and silence people started assuming the war was over, or at least unimportant, thus down grading it's importance. They started arguing over the plan AGAIN in the in the posts around #5800-#5900
Mathnerd managed to send the plan just moments before Ravus's blowup over the amount of time and voting.
When Mathnerd returned he managed to get some pictures of the state of england in post #5603 he then drafted his own plan (Post #5615) While allowing votes on various issues. During this time Whosit returned (Post #5684).
Once that was all cleared up Mathnerd sent the plan premeturly in post #5729... the opposition naturally explodes. LH offers a few more days to organise the plan... more voting commenced...
The Premature plan was sent in post #5821
The Final plan was shown in post #5899 (still the wrong war plan)
Due to the time delay and silence people started assuming the war was over, or at least unimportant, thus down grading it's importance. They started arguing over the plan AGAIN in the in the posts around #5800-#5900
Mathnerd managed to send the plan just moments before Ravus's blowup over the amount of time and voting.
Mathnerd Term Part 1:
Spoiler :
Post #5954
England managed to claim Neo and Cumae in the traditional Germania area. Unfortunatly most of the country was building infrastructure and the reinforcements situated in antium, such as they were, had to be used to reinforce the eastern front.
The Arabians declared war on the Russians which was proberly what allowed the Romans to organise a defence.
Dissagreement for the turns were mainly over whether England should have produced more constant troops...
ilduce continued his PEACE NOW! Campaign. People argue vigoursly over it not sure wether England could defeat the Romans, but not wanting to allow all of Italy to fall into Russian or Viking hands.
Spoiler British Isles :
Spoiler Gaul :
Spoiler Iberia :
Spoiler The Eastern War Front :
England managed to claim Neo and Cumae in the traditional Germania area. Unfortunatly most of the country was building infrastructure and the reinforcements situated in antium, such as they were, had to be used to reinforce the eastern front.
Spoiler The English Empire, The Fall of Rome :
The Arabians declared war on the Russians which was proberly what allowed the Romans to organise a defence.
Dissagreement for the turns were mainly over whether England should have produced more constant troops...
ilduce continued his PEACE NOW! Campaign. People argue vigoursly over it not sure wether England could defeat the Romans, but not wanting to allow all of Italy to fall into Russian or Viking hands.
Issues - The German Claim
Spoiler :
Seen in post #5968
Captain Fargle supports giving Medi to germany, Celticfury agreed and pointed out that nearly everyone thought similerly.
Germany's Claims -
Recently, Frederick of the German League has claimed Mediolanum as the cultural centre of the Balkans, and thus his nation's rightful capital. He asks that should it fall to the English they allow him to set up his government there and retain the city under his control. Also, the people of Antium and Neapolis have begun rioting in the streets, seeking to join the Germans, though our analysts say this is likely a ruse to get us to withdraw our forces so that the Romans may return - what exactly is our plan?
Rome Collapsing -
Julius Caesar and his Roman Empire have been reduced by a crippling degree. They have lost almost all of their territory and prestige, their armies are broken, the Balkans, once a bastion of Roman authority, are in open revolt, English troops drive out of Germany and towards Italia itself. The Copperheads are beginning to return to making demonstrations demanding a status quo ante bellum peace, to use the Latin.
What is the administration's stance?
- Lighthearter
Captain Fargle supports giving Medi to germany, Celticfury agreed and pointed out that nearly everyone thought similerly.
Intermission - The Countdown
Spoiler :
After the first term Ravus kept a running countdown of the 7 day limit MN had set himself. He also summed up every Politicians viewpoint to help MN in post #5988
Whosit continued to be a voice of calm in Unity (see post #6010 for a general policy outline)
The Plan for the second turnset was shown in post #6038
It discussed who our allies, rivals and enemies are.
Arya returned in post #6111 just missing MN who had allready sent the plan.
Whosit continued to be a voice of calm in Unity (see post #6010 for a general policy outline)
The Plan for the second turnset was shown in post #6038
It discussed who our allies, rivals and enemies are.
Arya returned in post #6111 just missing MN who had allready sent the plan.
Mathnerd Term Part 2:
Spoiler :
Post #6168 (page 309)
The Ragtag army made it's way to Medi but failed to break the defences. Both sides were decimated and approaching from the north was the viking war machine of many Berserkers and catapults.
We has three great people to decide how to use, the Great Spy, Prophet and General
The turn ended on a low note and with the knowledge the next president would have to make a dramatic decision or stand to end the war or all of Italy would end up Viking. There was also the worrying fact that our friend Khan of the Irish Mongols is now at war with the Russians...
Spoiler England Nation, Overview :
Spoiler British Isles :
Spoiler Iberia :
Spoiler Gaul :
Spoiler Germania, The Eastern War Front :
Spoiler Italy, Englands Decimated Army :
The Ragtag army made it's way to Medi but failed to break the defences. Both sides were decimated and approaching from the north was the viking war machine of many Berserkers and catapults.
We has three great people to decide how to use, the Great Spy, Prophet and General
Spoiler Foreign Advisor :
The turn ended on a low note and with the knowledge the next president would have to make a dramatic decision or stand to end the war or all of Italy would end up Viking. There was also the worrying fact that our friend Khan of the Irish Mongols is now at war with the Russians...
The Remus Proposal
Spoiler :
Just after the last part of the Mathnerd Administration ended we recieved a new issue. Whether or not it could be trusted was another matter...
Agent Remus' Proposals -
"Remus" - a deep cover agent inserted into Rome by Lighthearter within the last decade, has recently informed us that Caesar is throwing everything and the kitchen sink into the battle at Medio. If we can take the city regardless, Caesar might cave and surrender, allowing us to occupy Italia. However, if the Viking deathstack takes the city first, they'll get the same deal. Or we could send the Night Eagles to assassinate Caesar - his chief general, Pompey, is a vehement Vikingphobe and would rather see us occupy the entire Empire then let the Vikings rule in Rome. Howeve,r if we try and fail then the Copperheads will raise hell which knows no bounds. This is a matter for the next president, landing in the middle of the elections, but what do the various candidates propose?
Elections end on Friday.
- Lighthearter
The Election: The Triumvirate Coalitions
Spoiler :
People quickly started discussing the election as soon as the last plan was sent. Interestingly enough it was actually the position of Opposition Leader that was most fought over and disputed. Captain Fargle quickly threw his hat into that ring. Arya fell back on his usual agressive stance and things quickly degenerated into a arguement between Captain Fargle and Arya. Mainly about what makes a good opposition. Cull also started saying he wished to be an opposition leader...
The Monks quickly withdrew from Unity even before the turnset was played and posted up. Showing their dissatisfaction with the coalition and what it had become in quite a harsh way.
Whosit states in post #6164 that if he did get elected he would form a more authoritarian administration where the person voted into power would take true control over events.
Cull disbanded the Ninja-Pirate party and officially asked to be a part of the Imperial Party instead. Post #6173
While some brief discussion started on what could be done with the great people, a in depth look done by Spectrite in post #6191, it came to light that there had been a failed attempt to create a new Coalition named "The Coalition of Freedom". Apparantly the talks between the five parties (Co-Ops, Greens, LMP, Consortium and Monks) had ended badly when a vote had been taken for a leader ending in a draw between Aysee and WIM.
With this breakdown of a followed up Unity there remained no clear power. Everyone just voted for their own party and waited... they knew someone would make the first move eventually.
The First new Coalition formed was between the PPP and the Co-Ops in post #6278. Called the CPS for short this was called The Co-Operative Progressive Society for the Stability and Good Governance of England and her Territories. They wished to create a small middle power block to balance control between the Opposition and the Administration. Their aim was to stop any and all abuses of power. Eventually the Green Party also joined the Coalition.
The Second new Coalition was called The Patriots and was formed in post #6350. It was made up of the Jokers, LMP and Monks. This Triumvirate was based around a balance of power and a agreement to try to get each party into presidential power in succession.
These two coalitions quickly became tied.
Things stayed this was for awhile as the last two unaligned parties weighed their options. Eventually they decided to risk it all and re-formed the old Aegis Coalition from the Imperial Party and the Peoples Consortium of England. In Post #6463 Whosit officially puts himself forward as presidential candidate and confirms the Aegis return.
With the thread now moving again a lot of new players popped up in this election:
Fellow appeared in post #6330, he supported a peaceful style and backed the Consortium and the Green Party.
Dommination a long time supporter re-appeared which caused some shock.
Things quickly degenerated from there as every favour and ally was called in to vote.
Omega jumped on for a short while to vote for the Patriot group (only as a favour to Arya it turned out.)
Civplayah also returned to vote for his party again.
Gruekiller, an old LMP player returned to back his party as well.
Grq09 was brought in by ilduce and voted for the Aegis
It looked like the Patriots were going to win untill at the last second WIM dragged his Green party away from the CPS coalition and joined the Aegis group culminating in a draw between Aegis and Patriot
It was decided thus by a coin flip and Aegis took power in post #6548
The Monks quickly withdrew from Unity even before the turnset was played and posted up. Showing their dissatisfaction with the coalition and what it had become in quite a harsh way.
Whosit states in post #6164 that if he did get elected he would form a more authoritarian administration where the person voted into power would take true control over events.
Cull disbanded the Ninja-Pirate party and officially asked to be a part of the Imperial Party instead. Post #6173
While some brief discussion started on what could be done with the great people, a in depth look done by Spectrite in post #6191, it came to light that there had been a failed attempt to create a new Coalition named "The Coalition of Freedom". Apparantly the talks between the five parties (Co-Ops, Greens, LMP, Consortium and Monks) had ended badly when a vote had been taken for a leader ending in a draw between Aysee and WIM.
With this breakdown of a followed up Unity there remained no clear power. Everyone just voted for their own party and waited... they knew someone would make the first move eventually.
The First new Coalition formed was between the PPP and the Co-Ops in post #6278. Called the CPS for short this was called The Co-Operative Progressive Society for the Stability and Good Governance of England and her Territories. They wished to create a small middle power block to balance control between the Opposition and the Administration. Their aim was to stop any and all abuses of power. Eventually the Green Party also joined the Coalition.
The Second new Coalition was called The Patriots and was formed in post #6350. It was made up of the Jokers, LMP and Monks. This Triumvirate was based around a balance of power and a agreement to try to get each party into presidential power in succession.
These two coalitions quickly became tied.
Things stayed this was for awhile as the last two unaligned parties weighed their options. Eventually they decided to risk it all and re-formed the old Aegis Coalition from the Imperial Party and the Peoples Consortium of England. In Post #6463 Whosit officially puts himself forward as presidential candidate and confirms the Aegis return.
With the thread now moving again a lot of new players popped up in this election:
Fellow appeared in post #6330, he supported a peaceful style and backed the Consortium and the Green Party.
Dommination a long time supporter re-appeared which caused some shock.
Things quickly degenerated from there as every favour and ally was called in to vote.
Omega jumped on for a short while to vote for the Patriot group (only as a favour to Arya it turned out.)
Civplayah also returned to vote for his party again.
Gruekiller, an old LMP player returned to back his party as well.
Grq09 was brought in by ilduce and voted for the Aegis
It looked like the Patriots were going to win untill at the last second WIM dragged his Green party away from the CPS coalition and joined the Aegis group culminating in a draw between Aegis and Patriot
It was decided thus by a coin flip and Aegis took power in post #6548
The After Election Scandal - ilduce's bid for power
Spoiler :
After the Election ended ilduce tried to say that there had never been a definitive decision on who would be president between him and Whosit. Wether this was true or not it became apparant that the majority of people had assumed they were voting Whosit into power, not ilduce.
After a brief arguement via Private messages between ilduce and Whosit. The Imperials stepped back to see what ilduce could do with power. Things quickly went into uproar as ilduce tried to get people to listen to him. It came close to having to have another election.
Then it came out that ilduce had only been believing he couldn't trust Whosit because he had mis-read a PM from Ravus. There was much shaking of heads and Whosit took the reigns again.
After a brief arguement via Private messages between ilduce and Whosit. The Imperials stepped back to see what ilduce could do with power. Things quickly went into uproar as ilduce tried to get people to listen to him. It came close to having to have another election.
Then it came out that ilduce had only been believing he couldn't trust Whosit because he had mis-read a PM from Ravus. There was much shaking of heads and Whosit took the reigns again.
Alas, those non-canon stories... what might have been.
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