MooFreaky
Meatbag Destroyer
- Joined
- Aug 3, 2003
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Hey all,
I've been getting back into this Mod again after reading the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. I was already very familiar with the history of the Warring State & Three Kingdom period, but the book has made me more aware of a few things that don't line up with the Mod.
I am assuming that there are balance reasons behind much of it (or something along those lines) but thought I'd mention them anyway just to make sure.
My current game is as Yuan Shu on Emperor on the biggest map 196 AD, so most of my thoughts centers Yuan Shu and the surrounding areas.
He had done this well before Yuan Shu declared himself Emperor (as it was only after his suppression of the South West that Sun Ce demanded the return of the Imperial Seal, and Yuan Shu was still biding his time with it waiting for the opportune moment to declare himself Emperor.
In the 196 start Sun Ce has only marginal control of the south. However, before 195 he had defeated Yan Baihu, Wang Lang (who survived but fled way to the South) et all and had complete control of the South West.
Cao Cao did not go to war with Lu Bu until 198 AD, before this he was busy dealing with Zhang Xiu and Liu Baio. Even then 196 is still pre War with Xiu.
Before the war with Lu Bu, Yuan Shu had lost Shou Chun to Cao Cao, while his rear was destroyed by Sun Ce.
Is there a reason, beyond balance, that Lu Bu begins with 2 cities? He only controlled Xiaopei, before fleeing briefly to Xiapi after being defeated by Cao Cao.
Shouldn't Liu Baio and Sun Ce also have a rather sour relationship? Liu Baio was Sun Jian's sworn enemy and was the opponent Sun Jian was fighting when he was killed. If nothing else Liu Baio was a rival for control of the south and that was something that would irritate Sun Ce (and historically he was eager to go to war against Liu Baio and was easily convinced to by Cao Cao just after their war against Yuan Shu).
I haven't heard of Liu Chong, and the only Chen I have encountered was from a much later period. Similarly Liu Yao down south is another faction to which I have no reference. Are these factions made up for balance purposes? If not, can you provide a link to some source material for them, as I would be most interested to read up on them.
Obviously none of them are huge issues or anything, just things I was pointing out in case they had gone under the radar. Plus I'm just interested.
The game runs superbly IMO, so there I am not suggesting changes, I just like to hear why things ended up the way they do because I find the workings very interesting.
I've been getting back into this Mod again after reading the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. I was already very familiar with the history of the Warring State & Three Kingdom period, but the book has made me more aware of a few things that don't line up with the Mod.
I am assuming that there are balance reasons behind much of it (or something along those lines) but thought I'd mention them anyway just to make sure.
My current game is as Yuan Shu on Emperor on the biggest map 196 AD, so most of my thoughts centers Yuan Shu and the surrounding areas.
He had done this well before Yuan Shu declared himself Emperor (as it was only after his suppression of the South West that Sun Ce demanded the return of the Imperial Seal, and Yuan Shu was still biding his time with it waiting for the opportune moment to declare himself Emperor.
In the 196 start Sun Ce has only marginal control of the south. However, before 195 he had defeated Yan Baihu, Wang Lang (who survived but fled way to the South) et all and had complete control of the South West.
Cao Cao did not go to war with Lu Bu until 198 AD, before this he was busy dealing with Zhang Xiu and Liu Baio. Even then 196 is still pre War with Xiu.
Before the war with Lu Bu, Yuan Shu had lost Shou Chun to Cao Cao, while his rear was destroyed by Sun Ce.
Is there a reason, beyond balance, that Lu Bu begins with 2 cities? He only controlled Xiaopei, before fleeing briefly to Xiapi after being defeated by Cao Cao.
Shouldn't Liu Baio and Sun Ce also have a rather sour relationship? Liu Baio was Sun Jian's sworn enemy and was the opponent Sun Jian was fighting when he was killed. If nothing else Liu Baio was a rival for control of the south and that was something that would irritate Sun Ce (and historically he was eager to go to war against Liu Baio and was easily convinced to by Cao Cao just after their war against Yuan Shu).
I haven't heard of Liu Chong, and the only Chen I have encountered was from a much later period. Similarly Liu Yao down south is another faction to which I have no reference. Are these factions made up for balance purposes? If not, can you provide a link to some source material for them, as I would be most interested to read up on them.
Obviously none of them are huge issues or anything, just things I was pointing out in case they had gone under the radar. Plus I'm just interested.
The game runs superbly IMO, so there I am not suggesting changes, I just like to hear why things ended up the way they do because I find the workings very interesting.