fe3333au
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KISS Term 5
After a brief absence ... the Foreign Offices are once again active
After a brief absence ... the Foreign Offices are once again active
KISS Files - Term 5
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fe3333au
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Came in today ...
Your thoughts ... as I am still catching up
Your thoughts ... as I am still catching up
fe3333au
Deity
They have not signed the deal ... so we do not have to trade Polytheism as this was not part of the initial deal for Republic ... and was popped after we sent the first of the correspondences which was discussing the next stage of the Alliance ... I think that that is fair ... also they mentioned a lack of interest in Horseback Riding when we spoke before.
what do you all think ?
what do you all think ?
fe3333au
Deity
Nicely written ... but a tad aggressive don't you think?
And I think that we don't give them Poly and HBR
I guess the reasoning behind KISS' reaction is primarily the free MA tech we get ... and the fact that they don't want to be restricted to a research path that gives us military techs because they have to go for Education ... also they want freedom to trade with Nuts ... that is my bent on things.
And I think that we don't give them Poly and HBR
I guess the reasoning behind KISS' reaction is primarily the free MA tech we get ... and the fact that they don't want to be restricted to a research path that gives us military techs because they have to go for Education ... also they want freedom to trade with Nuts ... that is my bent on things.
I think the reason behind KISS' reaction is that they are strong compared to us and see us going through anarchy during which they will get stronger - I think they see a window of opportunity and are planning on taking it. I don't know how else to read it - if they are concerned about our free tech, this is certainly not going to get it for them.
I don't understand that
in the middle of the drafted letter: Where is it from?... What was the context?
I, as well, would prefer to see a letter that is a little less aggressive, as we are in no condition for a war at this time. I don't want to do anything at all to provoke them into attacking before we are ready.
But, it's supposed to me my job to make sure we're ready.... Tough job this term. I almost wish I hadn't won
Sorry about the third paragraph "quote" - I wasn't sure how to write the third paragraph because I don't know if we want to give them all our techs to try to maintain peace, or if we want to hold back Polytheism (for example). I just wanted to note that there should be something there regarding our Republic deal, so I used quotes to set off my "notes" from the rest of the letter.
We are in no condition for war, but I don't think we have a choice. I don't see any reason for them to cancel the peace deal except to attack us sooner rather than later. The point I was trying to make with the letter is that they owe us 20 turns of peace after the completion of Republic.
Regardless, I am fine with the language toned down. Someone else can modify what I've done or do something completely different. I just really want to stress to KISS that if they want to play "honorably", then they must follow our previous agreement - i.e. no war until 20 turns after Republic is discovered.
We are in no condition for war, but I don't think we have a choice. I don't see any reason for them to cancel the peace deal except to attack us sooner rather than later. The point I was trying to make with the letter is that they owe us 20 turns of peace after the completion of Republic.
Regardless, I am fine with the language toned down. Someone else can modify what I've done or do something completely different. I just really want to stress to KISS that if they want to play "honorably", then they must follow our previous agreement - i.e. no war until 20 turns after Republic is discovered.
my attempt....
Greeting Neighbors!
We are giddy with hope at the promise of this new Government type you have researched. We both stand to profit handsomely from it while the BattleIslanders are mired in a misguided and wasteful war.
It is really unfortunate they have chosen to go down a path that lead to such waste: While you did work on Republic, MIA has gathered the following techs for our mutual benefit: x, y, and z
As to not wanting to be restrained in trading after this one, we understand your position. It must have been very frustrating to see MIA running around, snatching up these treats while you stayed in your research labs, single-mindedly focussed on discovering the secrets of only one technology. So by all means, enjoy your trading freedom, and may you profit!
Yet we are uncertain why you felt inclined against signing the deal. We would be happy to rewrite it - but we were simply putting down the results from the latest discussions between our two teams. But as stated above - if you want a free hand in trading, that is perfectly understandable and agreeable to us, if you think you could get better deals on your own.
Since it appears that you aren't interested in Construction (which we were hopefully going to get from TNT in exchange for gold), we will honor the letters of the agreements that have been signed in good faith by our teams:
Seven Tiers of Friendship, Article 4 - MIA and KISS will offer eachother 'Most favored nation' status,..... No shared research, no sweetheart deals, just cold, hard Number crunching.
...and...
Seven Tiers of friendship, article 7: ....our peace deal is basically unlimited, and can only be terminated at least ten turns beforhand. This shall not be done, before at least ten turns have passed after the discovery of Republic
And so, we look forward to this new government, as we expect you do as well. May peace and prosperity forever bloom on our continent!
MIA
Greeting Neighbors!
We are giddy with hope at the promise of this new Government type you have researched. We both stand to profit handsomely from it while the BattleIslanders are mired in a misguided and wasteful war.
It is really unfortunate they have chosen to go down a path that lead to such waste: While you did work on Republic, MIA has gathered the following techs for our mutual benefit: x, y, and z
As to not wanting to be restrained in trading after this one, we understand your position. It must have been very frustrating to see MIA running around, snatching up these treats while you stayed in your research labs, single-mindedly focussed on discovering the secrets of only one technology. So by all means, enjoy your trading freedom, and may you profit!
Yet we are uncertain why you felt inclined against signing the deal. We would be happy to rewrite it - but we were simply putting down the results from the latest discussions between our two teams. But as stated above - if you want a free hand in trading, that is perfectly understandable and agreeable to us, if you think you could get better deals on your own.
Since it appears that you aren't interested in Construction (which we were hopefully going to get from TNT in exchange for gold), we will honor the letters of the agreements that have been signed in good faith by our teams:
Seven Tiers of Friendship, Article 4 - MIA and KISS will offer eachother 'Most favored nation' status,..... No shared research, no sweetheart deals, just cold, hard Number crunching.
...and...
Seven Tiers of friendship, article 7: ....our peace deal is basically unlimited, and can only be terminated at least ten turns beforhand. This shall not be done, before at least ten turns have passed after the discovery of Republic
And so, we look forward to this new government, as we expect you do as well. May peace and prosperity forever bloom on our continent!
MIA
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
nice work Peter - but I'm worried that your letter dosn't place enough focus on the 20 turns of peace - which is what we MOST need to know. The other stuff can be worked out once we are assured that we're not going to be attacked in 2 turns.
see my draft here:
Foreign Ministry Thread
and maybe we can add some of your good thoughts to that?
see my draft here:
Foreign Ministry Thread
and maybe we can add some of your good thoughts to that?
fe3333au
Deity
This from Daghie ... as yet no responce
Question from KISS
Regarding the letter I like your approach Peter, much less paranoid ... it also leaves a logical place to add the paragraph about not giving Poly and HBR ... NO Polytheism because this tech was popped some time after massive correspondences were sent, and sat on, about who would be researching what of the final techs and NO Horseback Riding because in a previous chat this tech was not desired, although I am willing to give it in a good faith sign.
Question from KISS
Regarding the letter I like your approach Peter, much less paranoid ... it also leaves a logical place to add the paragraph about not giving Poly and HBR ... NO Polytheism because this tech was popped some time after massive correspondences were sent, and sat on, about who would be researching what of the final techs and NO Horseback Riding because in a previous chat this tech was not desired, although I am willing to give it in a good faith sign.
We did not trade Philosophy to TNT - they got it on their own somehow.
I wouldn't push this line too far. The most important thing is that we hold KISS to their agreement that there will be no war until 20 turns after Republic. We cannot break our deal and still hold them to that - if they think we promised Poly and HBR, then I think we have to give it to them as long as we get the 20 turns of peace. At this point, I would sell peter's niece Cindy for 20 turns of peace.
fe3333au said:
I wouldn't push this line too far. The most important thing is that we hold KISS to their agreement that there will be no war until 20 turns after Republic. We cannot break our deal and still hold them to that - if they think we promised Poly and HBR, then I think we have to give it to them as long as we get the 20 turns of peace. At this point, I would sell peter's niece Cindy for 20 turns of peace.
So would I
fe3333au
Deity
Chat with Dags
I am glad things are clearer ...
No warning for attack
We do not have to include Polytheism for Repblic deal
We should bolster defences
This talk of attacking Nuts is unexpected !!!
I think they want a spot to build a city as near to Nuts as they can get ... if we agree we need to get one close to TNT !!!
He contacts me
sixpackholiday: Hello sailor
fe3333au: Hello matey
sixpackholiday: just a sec
fe3333au: got your PM
Regarding the Philo question
sixpackholiday: so what about that phlo trade. I must have missed that...
fe3333au: long time ago ... can't remember .. it will take a lot of searching to get that info ... why you need it? ... I will do it if important ... but will take some time
sixpackholiday: i were just wondering since it happened after you said you would be more open with the trade overseas ... not so long time ago ... turn 78
fe3333au: I will search .. but slooow internet as I am downloading update for virus software atm
fe3333au: I will PM it to you
sixpackholiday: thank you very much
Other issues more important
fe3333au: But while you are here ... I need some clarification
< attack warning >
fe3333au: When you say after Republic trade we will just be friends ... how does that effect the 10 turns warning to being attacked ... I consider that still to be the case ... am I correct
sixpackholiday: It means that we consider the previous deal ended ... and yes, with it all other arrangements
fe3333au: so after the republic swap does that mean you can attack us without warning?
< reason given and also to difuse any paranoia or give defense plans away >
fe3333au: I am thinking of the warrior we have wandering around up north ... which you said was ok for us to have walking around?
sixpackholiday: theoretically yes, maybe, but I think admins should have a close look on our agreement ... in practice maybe one side cannot nullify it
fe3333au: he is still a virgin
sixpackholiday: without breaking it
sixpackholiday: LOL
When Republic swap
fe3333au: so when will you have republic?
Reasons for KISS twitchings
sixpackholiday: let me put it this way: When we discovered your trade with TNT it made us wonder ... about you intentions ... we've been somewhat worried to say the least
fe3333au: I can honestly say that we have no intentions to dishonouring you ... and we are not friends with anyone
sixpackholiday: afraid might not be the correct word but "cautious"...
fe3333au: we have open dialogue with all ... and the intention was to get us both into MA quicker
sixpackholiday: that's part of the wish to loosen up the ties a wee bit
fe3333au: I understand ... you must also understand that I came back to find the curt message about trade Republic and then our alliance is kaput
sixpackholiday: curt?
fe3333au: especially when on Xmas we had a proposal to continue
fe3333au: curt = blunt
sixpackholiday: ok
fe3333au: we were in the process of agreeing to most of the terms in Xmas deal
< Great Library >
fe3333au: seems that the threat to nullify Great Library is no longer a big issue?
sixpackholiday: i don't think it's a question of either/or
sixpackholiday: it is troublesome, but hard to specify how much ... and exactly what to do about it
fe3333au: I can understand ... sort of
What to give exactly for republic
fe3333au: Now in previous chat it was expressed that you did not want HBR
sixpackholiday: i think whomp once said that HBR wasn't our first choise, correct
fe3333au: so what do you expect for republic?
sixpackholiday: The techs that you have and we don't
< Expected and I think he expected this reply about Poly >
fe3333au: but that does not include Poly
sixpackholiday: oh yes it does
sixpackholiday: Cham even incuded it in the proposal
fe3333au: no ... I mentioned in a previous discussion with you that we popped it ... and this happened after we started discussing getting together into the MA
fe3333au: Chams chat happened prior to the Xmas deal being sent
sixpackholiday: I can send you the parchement if you like ... you must have it too, it's only a few days old
fe3333au: that was after the xmas deal suddenly was null and void
sixpackholiday: ok...err....so if we send Rep. you will not include Poly in your reply?
fe3333au: Poly was the next stage with Construction ... so not part of Republic deal
< Republic sent >
sixpackholiday: aha, ok. Thing is we just sent Rep
fe3333au: with our trade for other techs we ended up saving us both getting all the others
sixpackholiday: you will recieve it with next .sav
fe3333au: as gift or requiring us to accept?
sixpackholiday: you must chip in the techs and the we accept when they arrive at our place
fe3333au: ok ... so are you saying that you require Poly or no deal?
fe3333au: cos I think that we don't owe you Poly ... but that is from my prospective
fe3333au: If you want we can have admins decide ...
sixpackholiday: we would be disappointed if Poly was not in...
sixpackholiday: You make the call
< We also disappointed >
fe3333au: we are disappointed that we have not got an agreement to the end of AA
sixpackholiday: I understand that
sixpackholiday: I wasn't too happy writing that down
OT ... just to make sure internet friendship maintained
fe3333au: OT ... it is a game after all ... and the team members run it ... and there are many personalities in both teams
sixpackholiday: indeed, hehe. Disagreeing comes with the diplo territory
sixpackholiday: I have no probs with that
fe3333au: I feel we would not be dishonouring the deal if Poly was not sent
sixpackholiday: I think you're a terrific guy no matter how the games turn out
fe3333au: Whatever happens ... and I hope the worst case scenario does not ... we will still chat ... yes?
fe3333au: cos I enjoy your company
sixpackholiday: absolutely and I would like us to be on same team next time around
fe3333au:
Back to the Game
fe3333au: It would be a pity if both continents were at war
sixpackholiday: it would stall things a great deal ...
fe3333au: Not logical to ... fighting should be reserved to BattleIsle
sixpackholiday: I suggest we both keep growing ... even if we don't sit in each others laps
fe3333au: yes ... you and whomp must go on a diet
< Cheers >
sixpackholiday: I think we both have given us a nice lead and that we should congratulate us for doing that
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: both Whomp and me are rather skinny btw ... you start working out instead lol
fe3333au: I bruise easily
Great library
fe3333au: it would be a pity if Great Library is built ... but I guess the team that builds it makes a target for all others
sixpackholiday: Yes, and talking about that
sixpackholiday: WARPLANS
Barbs
sixpackholiday: first the barb situation
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: we've discussed sending some troopers S to scan the area ... but we don't know what you've discovered and where to go
fe3333au: cultural boundaries are no go for both of us ... agreed
sixpackholiday: 100%
Ares infringement
sixpackholiday: unless you, like poor Ares, end up sitting on a city wall
fe3333au: Did you build a city and we are in one of your boundaries?
sixpackholiday: yeah...lol. few turns ago ... when you were awol
fe3333au: I didn't think that we were in a boundary ... if so very sorry we will move out straight away
sixpackholiday: you were, but no worries, he's moved out
fe3333au: those sort of things happen when expansion occurs
sixpackholiday: IIRC we popped a city next to him
fe3333au: but it was unintentional and should not be construed as an aggressive act
sixpackholiday: it isn't, stop worrying
Back to Barbs
fe3333au: Re barbs ... we have cleared a camp ... do you have any that are still alive?
sixpackholiday: just a sec
fe3333au: it was also a threat to one of your towns
sixpackholiday: back
sixpackholiday: we don't see any barbs atm
< KISS know of other Camps >
sixpackholiday: but ther should be 1 or 2 camps left on E and W coast
fe3333au: we must both be vigilent in our respective halves of the world to ensure that they don't hatch in unseen areas ... cos they can be bad for us both
Sharing sighting information of Barbs is ok for both teams
fe3333au: we will tell you if we find one with cute little virgin Ares as well
sixpackholiday: we will scan
fe3333au: I notice a galic that is not very experienced? ... is he your barb destroyer?
sixpackholiday: i guess we both are intersted in filling the opens spaces with cities and settlers taken by barbs is a bummer
fe3333au: yeah ... you had that problem?
sixpackholiday: the one that met Ares in the woods?
fe3333au: those horses freak me out :-(
sixpackholiday: they will soon be here ... 15 stacks LOL ... stacks of 15 that is, hehe
< Ares met a barb? >
fe3333au: I don't think Ares met one up north yet ... not sure ... we cannot see barb movement in our tern only you can
sixpackholiday: well anyway, let's scout the area and notify each other if Barbie shows up
fe3333au: yes
Overseas Plans
sixpackholiday: On a future mission overseas....
sixpackholiday: we have started to plan on how to do that
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: can you tell us or would that be not good idea
sixpackholiday: a sec
sharing plans makes me feel more easier
sixpackholiday: back, sorry
fe3333au: k
fe3333au: you were talking about your plans
sixpackholiday: well we could tell you some since we're hoping for you to be a bit of help
fe3333au: k
< They want mutual attack on Nuts >
sixpackholiday: i've understood that MIA's greates concern is Nutters ... we don't think TNT will be able to do 2 wonders
fe3333au: yes .. atm we see them as a greater threat than TNT and they have also proven to be double dealers in the past
sixpackholiday: so we agree Nuts might be the ones to build the GLib
fe3333au: they already have Lit ... they popped it
sixpackholiday: therefore they are a likely first target
fe3333au: sounds like you think as we do
Coastal intel
sixpackholiday: we have scanned their S shores but not yet found a plausible "wonder city" ... so prolly they build it further up the country
fe3333au: We have only found 2 cities so far ... capital and one near to us
sixpackholiday: You mean "Crunch"?
fe3333au: umm ... Glazed
fe3333au: we only found capital last turn and are sailing west
sixpackholiday: I think they have Crunch right W of Springfield IIRC
sixpackholiday: you'll soon be there
fe3333au: look on your map ... the closest land area to us has a new city
sixpackholiday: ok
fe3333au: built maybe last or turn before that
Landing Point
sixpackholiday: the best way to land would be on the other side of the gap
fe3333au: this is another reason we are looking at them as targets
sixpackholiday: @ Itacha
fe3333au: we sail west from our homeland? ... that what you mean
sixpackholiday: No, let's see, the close gap is on your SE coast, right?
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: so it's only a few tiles from landing right on them
fe3333au: that is where they have the new city
sixpackholiday: Our new city, hehe
fe3333au: you want that city?
sixpackholiday: we want somewhere we can land a load of troops quickly when we decide to hit
< Our other reason to target Nuts >
sixpackholiday: the other reason?
fe3333au: it would be closest for you and us ... so are you suggesting a double attack ... or for us to land else where and divide their forces?
fe3333au: the other reson for us to get nervous ... good staging area for nuts to attck us
Request from KISS Military department ... City to stage in?
sixpackholiday: I've only been asked by the military dpt to inquire on the possibility of a shipping point in your area ... Good staging area...don't get that, sorry
fe3333au: they use that city to lauch attack and resupply
sixpackholiday: aha, yeah....
Attacking Nuts is good for MIA
fe3333au: regarding your enquirery ... we are always open to discuss any joint effort against a mutual enemy
sixpackholiday: we should make an effort to stop them before they have a chace to build up
fe3333au: yes
Gossip from the Battle Islanders
fe3333au: have you had any discussions with nuts and how the war goes?
sixpackholiday: they don't talk much to us at all ... not me anyway, hehe
fe3333au: holidays
sixpackholiday: guess so, but on the whole they've keeping a low profile. Not like TNT but...
fe3333au: last we heard there was a fight and both Nuts and TNT lost units
KISS military Pop head
sixpackholiday: They're still strong vs. us
fe3333au: both?
sixpackholiday: yup
fe3333au: cos everyone is strong vs MIA LOL
sixpackholiday: poor Ares, send him to the gym
fe3333au: he needs woman and hair on chest LOL
< Possible reason to build the wonder >
fe3333au: but the reason to build the wonder may be as you said to have a quick Immortal factory
< Attack Timeline >
sixpackholiday: i think as soon as Nuts are not strong vs. us, we hit
Galley question ... didn't mention we already exploring
sixpackholiday: do you have any galleys?
fe3333au: 1
fe3333au: you will be able to build them next turn
sixpackholiday: Hooray...finally
Breathing easier
fe3333au: this talk of mutual cooperation makes me feel better :-*
sixpackholiday: like back in the days, right?
fe3333au: yes ... but also different .. we are both individuals now
sixpackholiday: yes
< So about the many TNT chats you mentioned >
fe3333au: so TNT is talking to you
sixpackholiday: They just send officials when we ask them something...boring people
fe3333au: Provo still around?
sixpackholiday: Haven't seen him at all
fe3333au: greekguy said something about not having many active players ... in the signup thread
sixpackholiday: that is beginning to be a problem for all teams by the looks
fe3333au: for us ... we are used to it LOL
sixpackholiday: darn cIV
fe3333au: yep
fe3333au: If this game starts up in cIV ... I will play but will be more like a lurker
What can we do for KISS ?? ... top of my head
sixpackholiday: how could you contribute in an attack on Nuts?
fe3333au: this is just me ... it would have to be discussed
fe3333au: but
fe3333au: I would imagine that we would send troops
fe3333au: and either attack side by side ... or from a different point
fe3333au: we would destroy roads and cut luxuries
fe3333au: as well as attack units
sixpackholiday: Hoppies pillage, swords slay
fe3333au: yes ... and horses
sixpackholiday: good combo
Again with the request to build a staging point
sixpackholiday: we would save a lot of shields if we were allowed to station troops near Itacha ... a few galleys would suffice
< Hmmm ... what about TNT >
fe3333au: so would you tell TNT?
sixpackholiday: dunno...
< ... and what about some misinformation>
fe3333au: I wonder if we tell Nuts that we have seen big stack moving down east coast ... that could send troops away from our atack area LOL
sixpackholiday: TNT stack?
sixpackholiday: that would be a cool move
fe3333au: we could say it
< Payback would be a ***** >
fe3333au: pay them back for playing us both against each other LOL
sixpackholiday: that would be good help too, and they deserve it
fe3333au: it would be very funny and worth many drinks :-D
Again with the city location request
sixpackholiday: I think there is a good part of neutral territory E of Flaxon
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: we could stroll down there with some GS's, scout for Barbs...
sixpackholiday: and stop outside Itacha
< ooops ... sorry didn't recognise the new city >
fe3333au: is Itacha a new town?
sixpackholiday: Yeah, on your far E furs
fe3333au: must have been founded last turn ... I have yet to read report ... happened today
sixpackholiday: right at the gap
sixpackholiday: so you have the "shipping point"
fe3333au: k
sixpackholiday: number of seatiles to Nuts are crucial there
OT ... about my availability ... gives us time to discuss this development
fe3333au: OT ... I will be busy until Sunday with pyro ... after that I will have more time to get back into the loop
sixpackholiday: The best of luck with that!
fe3333au: I hear waht you are saying
fe3333au: thanks ... house full of shells atm =-O
sixpackholiday: Ka....Booom..lol
fe3333au: yep :-D
sixpackholiday: Ok, it's time to cook some here..
< In principal attacking Nuts is good >
fe3333au: ok ... in principal we like idea of attacking Nuts ... we would require plans written so we can discuss tactics ... with an agreement not to tell other teams about it
Summary
sixpackholiday: to sum it up (help me):
sixpackholiday: You've got rep coming to ya...
fe3333au: you get all our techs except Poly
sixpackholiday: When recieved, you throw in your part
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: then we will be two individual nations ... but trusting and friendly
sixpackholiday: when we get them we continue the rep deal and we're both out of despo
sixpackholiday: individuals but friends, yes
sixpackholiday: we scan the area for barbs...
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: and notify each other if we find any...
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: we work out a plan on the Nuts invasion..
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: and send it to you...and no one tells anyone about this
fe3333au: and feed them wrong intel just before the attack LOL
sixpackholiday: hehe...yes
fe3333au: good ... enjoy your evening meal
sixpackholiday: tnx, see you later mate
fe3333au: cya
I am glad things are clearer ...
No warning for attack
We do not have to include Polytheism for Repblic deal
We should bolster defences
This talk of attacking Nuts is unexpected !!!
I think they want a spot to build a city as near to Nuts as they can get ... if we agree we need to get one close to TNT !!!
fe3333au
Deity
Just added to Dags
It's all very nice, but it's a pile of BS - there is absolutely zero chance that KISS will attack Donuts if we are permitted to attack KISS without warning. Until KISS agrees that MIA and KISS should have peace unless substantial warning is given, KISS is still planning on coming after us, but fine, let them think we are falling for the Donut ruse.
I'm nervous about not giving Polytheism - I think you are right that they are not entitled to it under the terms of our signed agreement, but if they think they are entitled to it, then they may feel entitled to break our peace early. We can talk all we want about how we lost with honor, and they won only by breaking our deal, but I would still rather give ourselves a chance to actually win.
We definitely did send them a later agreement offering Polytheism as part of the Republic package, but they rejected that one...
We didn't get confirmation on the 20 turns (10 after Republic + 10 turn warning as our original agreement says).
So, basically, I think nothing has changed from this chat.
I'm nervous about not giving Polytheism - I think you are right that they are not entitled to it under the terms of our signed agreement, but if they think they are entitled to it, then they may feel entitled to break our peace early. We can talk all we want about how we lost with honor, and they won only by breaking our deal, but I would still rather give ourselves a chance to actually win.
We definitely did send them a later agreement offering Polytheism as part of the Republic package, but they rejected that one...
We didn't get confirmation on the 20 turns (10 after Republic + 10 turn warning as our original agreement says).
So, basically, I think nothing has changed from this chat.
fe3333au
Deity
Could the next step be that in order for us to agree to any sort of joint military action we would require the 20 turn warning aggreement.
Actually, I guess the first question should be ... do we want to goto war with Nuts?
We could also sell Poly for such a 20 turn warning agreement.
my next chat will also ask the question ... if they are afraid of us attacking, then why not agree to warning clause ?
Actually, I guess the first question should be ... do we want to goto war with Nuts?
We could also sell Poly for such a 20 turn warning agreement.
my next chat will also ask the question ... if they are afraid of us attacking, then why not agree to warning clause ?
I think we should offer them a deal that says as soon as KISS completes a harbor, MIA provides ivory and KISS provides wine. We'll even throw in Polytheism. Let's see how they reject that one and still pretend to be friends - if they agree, essentially it gives us the 20 turns we want.
fe3333au
Deity
good idea about trade ... in pbem there is no timelimit IIRC
If there's no time limit, then let's do a 30turn wine for Ivory and Poly deal. We could even sweeten it further with Construction (if things work out with TNT)
A thought occurred to me: What if KISS is proposing that 'staging city' as nothing more than a beachhead for a combined DNUT+KISS attack on MIA? What would some of the other warning signs be? How would we expect DNUT to be acting if that is what they are up to?
A thought occurred to me: What if KISS is proposing that 'staging city' as nothing more than a beachhead for a combined DNUT+KISS attack on MIA? What would some of the other warning signs be? How would we expect DNUT to be acting if that is what they are up to?
