25th anniversary of an epic trolling
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NedimNapoleon
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great one.
It was actually a rather large sacking if I remember right. One of the largest changes in Soviet Military leadership outside of the purges and the promotions of the Second World War. A lot of the fired individuals were ones who opposed Gorby's reforms too, so there were some consequences.
Rust himself is no hero though. He is just completely nuts. In addition to going in and out of prison for stealing half a dozen times since the incident, he also stabbed one of his girlfriends, almost killing her.
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the reason he was ID'ed even before he crossed the border , had a Su-15 sitting in the saddle a few miles back , even if the interceptors had to break contact as their fuel bingoed and replaced by others is that it was meant to show the decadent ways of the Old Guards and make reform possible .
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a little more rant with apologies .
the Cessna in the Square was once forwarded as a case study , for young Americans who use the term libel with regards to analyses concerning actions against this country .
which can be a weak cause for yet another exactly similar part in an interminable r16 rant :
anyways the name Mathias Rust was phoned to Moskaus , Finnish Airforce had a bead on him including one or two MiGs overhead so that the Russkies could start looking in the right direction immediately and ı hear there were a dozen different firing solutions on him , if not more , by the time he landed .
rust was a media asset which happened to serve Kremlin as well . He thought he was more , which apparently led to all kinds of stuff where he tried to prove himself and satisfy his ego . His true value in the scheme of greater things can described by the "fact" that the US Authorities ignored the 9/11 operators on the grounds that what Mathias Rust had achieved with the Cessna ... The German Selbsstopfer -am so sure ı have mispellet the word - who took to the skies to avenge Resnick of Challenger the Space Shuttle or the guy who crash-dived into a corporate headquarters in Italy also stress the media aspect , ı certainly don't even know their names . There is this talk of a Black Baron that bugged the French and chased over Paris by police helicopters ; curtains were invented against peeping Toms , were they not ?Any kind of reforms in those countries ?
though at the time it was all glory . Cowardly Ivan , who had murdered hundreds of people on the KAL flight a couple of years ago couldn't even see a light plane arriving into its heart ; he surely couldn't see the cruise missiles and stealth aircraft with miniscule RCS . A narrative that disappeared in time as Rust was not the epitome of the Cold War hero and certainly not "Anglosaxon" enough .
regarding cowardice and shaming Ivan - with large scale cooperation of a multitude of agencies - another event , the Able Archer '83 comes to mind . Where a computer glitch showed an ICBM on its way to Mother Russia , a Colonel had some iron nerves and insisted it was a mistake , preventing the global nuclear exchange . ı get stuff gets broken , but then wouldn't it be some incredible coincidence that the failed IR detectors showed the incoming missile had MIRV'ed ? Aluminium without ablative screening apparently does not survive long , though American belief that they can do and the opposition can not dare has been indestructible . Theirs is a manifest destiny , not for mere mortals to comprehend or resist ...
the Cessna in the Square was once forwarded as a case study , for young Americans who use the term libel with regards to analyses concerning actions against this country .
which can be a weak cause for yet another exactly similar part in an interminable r16 rant :
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anyways the name Mathias Rust was phoned to Moskaus , Finnish Airforce had a bead on him including one or two MiGs overhead so that the Russkies could start looking in the right direction immediately and ı hear there were a dozen different firing solutions on him , if not more , by the time he landed .
rust was a media asset which happened to serve Kremlin as well . He thought he was more , which apparently led to all kinds of stuff where he tried to prove himself and satisfy his ego . His true value in the scheme of greater things can described by the "fact" that the US Authorities ignored the 9/11 operators on the grounds that what Mathias Rust had achieved with the Cessna ... The German Selbsstopfer -am so sure ı have mispellet the word - who took to the skies to avenge Resnick of Challenger the Space Shuttle or the guy who crash-dived into a corporate headquarters in Italy also stress the media aspect , ı certainly don't even know their names . There is this talk of a Black Baron that bugged the French and chased over Paris by police helicopters ; curtains were invented against peeping Toms , were they not ?Any kind of reforms in those countries ?
though at the time it was all glory . Cowardly Ivan , who had murdered hundreds of people on the KAL flight a couple of years ago couldn't even see a light plane arriving into its heart ; he surely couldn't see the cruise missiles and stealth aircraft with miniscule RCS . A narrative that disappeared in time as Rust was not the epitome of the Cold War hero and certainly not "Anglosaxon" enough .
regarding cowardice and shaming Ivan - with large scale cooperation of a multitude of agencies - another event , the Able Archer '83 comes to mind . Where a computer glitch showed an ICBM on its way to Mother Russia , a Colonel had some iron nerves and insisted it was a mistake , preventing the global nuclear exchange . ı get stuff gets broken , but then wouldn't it be some incredible coincidence that the failed IR detectors showed the incoming missile had MIRV'ed ? Aluminium without ablative screening apparently does not survive long , though American belief that they can do and the opposition can not dare has been indestructible . Theirs is a manifest destiny , not for mere mortals to comprehend or resist ...
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I love reading r16's posts. They're what I imagine an acid trip to be like.
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guess what ; despite me being a Starfleet admiral ı had always thought the opening scene of Star Trek Irresuction or whatever was the opening of the movie with the Borgs and ı was never aware of the Nemesis . Yeah , two completely unknown movies , how pathetic is that ? ( A TV channel has them here in Turkey .)
even when the US went showing off even before they had the lazer thing for Star Wars , even if if it doesn't fit with the poor uncapable Soviet Union thing . They had pride and guts , at least some of them .
even when the US went showing off even before they had the lazer thing for Star Wars , even if if it doesn't fit with the poor uncapable Soviet Union thing . They had pride and guts , at least some of them .
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basically to add more action to World History section , let me one more pointless rant . ı never take myself seriously and never credit anything to myself . Take an extreme present day example , the usual leak mechanism that has reorganized my country has just announced the PM and the President can be trialled in court after they lose the elections . Not because anger at America stays above boiling point , as it's a spectacular tautology if that's the correct term . All that remain are Goverment generals , the only mechanism that can take those people named to court are the laws they are installing . No sir , it is only because the leak machine on local initiative announced the US would be for them , by repeating the words of a diplomat from 1996 . America for some reason wants a civil war in this country , just like they fired stuff onto places where they do not rule back in the day , and such a declaration would discourage the opposition from further resistance in political arena which will "accidentally" spill into clashes as soon as we are dealt with , say in Syria .
though that must be spam by any definition . To take the thread back to more fitting level to history , one can only say with limited info that the US had an ADI , an Air Defence Initiative , in case their newly fangled Stealth technology , expensive as hell , was countered by Speed . Somebody remarked about the requirement to President Reagan and , voila , he had a means to fight the Space Aliens . This post has no relation whatsoever with me being in the Starfleet , the guy actually believed in UFOs . Meanwhile the US hardliners saw this as a way to bend the treaties about the disarmament of space , by talking of ICBMs instead of airbreathers . The SDI was only for putting first strike weapons in space and nothing about defending the West from nuclear attacks . One can deduce the level of tech or expense required for reasonable defence from the fact it is 2012 , not 83 and the this NMD thing is for about 10 missiles at most . It is not much of an accident that many people believe , offense is the best defence . When some Russian Colonel calculated the impact points and had confidence , he saved the world from an exchange that might have started from an American expectation that people will blink whenever America frowns . In the single fully relevant line to the thread , Mathias Rust would have been shot down , for similar Colonels were watching over with fingers on the triggers , if Kremlin had desired otherwise . Moscow is still an unhealty place for intruders . Even if it is only meant for protection of political authority to green light the launch . That's why finally instead of more weapons , Gorby and Ronnie made the deals to reduce stuff ; it is not an American victory as people are wont to believe .
though that must be spam by any definition . To take the thread back to more fitting level to history , one can only say with limited info that the US had an ADI , an Air Defence Initiative , in case their newly fangled Stealth technology , expensive as hell , was countered by Speed . Somebody remarked about the requirement to President Reagan and , voila , he had a means to fight the Space Aliens . This post has no relation whatsoever with me being in the Starfleet , the guy actually believed in UFOs . Meanwhile the US hardliners saw this as a way to bend the treaties about the disarmament of space , by talking of ICBMs instead of airbreathers . The SDI was only for putting first strike weapons in space and nothing about defending the West from nuclear attacks . One can deduce the level of tech or expense required for reasonable defence from the fact it is 2012 , not 83 and the this NMD thing is for about 10 missiles at most . It is not much of an accident that many people believe , offense is the best defence . When some Russian Colonel calculated the impact points and had confidence , he saved the world from an exchange that might have started from an American expectation that people will blink whenever America frowns . In the single fully relevant line to the thread , Mathias Rust would have been shot down , for similar Colonels were watching over with fingers on the triggers , if Kremlin had desired otherwise . Moscow is still an unhealty place for intruders . Even if it is only meant for protection of political authority to green light the launch . That's why finally instead of more weapons , Gorby and Ronnie made the deals to reduce stuff ; it is not an American victory as people are wont to believe .
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