Legalise ALL drugs

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I thing ALL drugs should be legalised:
Firstly the western countries are losing the war against drugs.
My reasons for wanting this are:
1. Mkaing drugs illegal means that people who do them have to become criminals: if they were legalised the police could concentrate on people commiting crimes that damage others.
2.Druggies and drug barons are involved in other criminal activity: legalisation would mean that drugs could be sold cheaper, therefore less people wpould have to steal to support there habitat and reduce the power of the drugs barons who r powerfuly and commit many other crimes.
3.Money: right now millions are spent figthing drugs and drug related crimes: these costs would be non-existent and so the police could concentrate on other things.
Economies in 3rd world countries which now must destroy there drugs could make drugs a major part of their economies and sell them to western countries: great boost. The western countries would then be able to make a profit my selling them to their people.
4.Less deaths from drugs: lots of deaths from hard drugs are caused by the dfrug being cut with things like cement powder and so on, or just not being the drug in question: this could be stopped.
5: Living conditions would improve for people hooked on drugs wyho now have to work hard or turn to crime just to support their habit
And a minor point: people encouraged to do drugs just because it was illegal would not start (though I realise this would probably be conuteracted byh those people who would start after it was illegal

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[This message has been edited by Graeme the mad (edited August 31, 2001).]
 
I TOTALLY disagree.

I think all drugs should be illegalized! Anything that modifies behavior in an unpredicitable way.

That includes:
all illegal drugs
partially legal drugs
and legal drugs....like alcohol, etc....

And that what I said!

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Coffee corn master? and how about pain relievers or calpol?

Do you abstain from alchohol cornmaster?

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Hey I know! Don't move donn't do anything and you might just be okay...Oh yeah you might die of thirst but of well...
 
Graeme the mad Legize it, but be careful my friend cause their watch’ in ya....You know what I’m talking about, THEM....their out there man, We all ****ed up when we let women vote...Not because their women but because they have deeper feelings for their young...Now I can't even smoke a join in peace, and I have to leave the US, the place that my forefathers fought their lives fore... to get away form the establishment.....what are we to do next?
Take away the right that they had in the first place...yeah right...until you establish what you have to say, be quite.
 
What r u talking about green destiny????


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I say legalize them all. That will be one more block of people I won't have to worry about on my way to the top.

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All drugs whatsoever should be legalized. If someone will be so stupid that he uses drugs,
it'll be 100% correct to him when he dies to it. And don't say hasis&mari don't kill people,
I will not care.
I will just listen my own philosophy: The only reason why drugs are not legalized in
the US is that Goverment wants to have a monopoly on selling drugs from columbia.
They destroy it sometimes to make it harder to buy, and get bigger profits
(East Indian & Co. trade policy).
I think this will be a good comment also in here.
 
Cornmaster -
I think all drugs should be illegalized! Anything that modifies behavior in an unpredicitable way

Then outlaw religion and ideology while your at it
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Why not just make it illegal for us to even think for ourselves? I did not "predict" that you would be in favor of outlawing drugs you don't like, can I now have you put in a cage for behaving in an unpredictable manner? What you call "unpredictable" I call FREEWILL and FREEDOM. I suppose all dictators would like to be able to predict the future actions of his/her subjects, but a free people are not required to act in accordance with your dictates ("predictions")...

The drug war is immoral for the following reasons:

1) Even if you accept the falsehood that using "government" to steal ("taxes") from others to pay for what you want is moral,
the drug war is based upon the immoral premise that all drug users are to be persecuted because some drug users hurt others, in other words, put the innocent in cages because of the guilty. If non-drug users (Cornmaster?) were put in cages because some non-drug users hurt others, they'd/I'd be screaming bloody murder about the immorality of punishing the innocent.

2) The drug war has created a massive black market that creates crime. When was the last time you heard of alcohol dealers having shootouts on our streets over marketshare? Alcohol prohibition! Economist David Friedman
has shown (June '01 "Liberty") how wars on drugs increase crime, especially property crime. The murder rate doubled
under alcohol prohibition, dropped 13 years in a row following it's repeal, and has doubled again over the last 3 decades of "our" most recent drug war. About 14,000 people were murdered last year above the body counts we've had when we aren't waging these wars. But what did anyone expect, people get killed in wartime. These numbers don't include the people murdered by "governments" waging this war, like the missionary and her daughter shot out of the sky by a Peruvian fighter pilot waging our war.

3) The Golden Rule - we are to treat others as we would have others treat us. Look at Cornmaster's argument, apparently he wants us to put him in a cage if we cannot "predict" his future actions. We cannot! Therefore, according to his own standard, we are to put him in a cage. Would you like that Corn? Didn't think so...

There are many more reasons but these are all I need to oppose drug prohibition. On a sidenote, per capita alcohol consumption increased under alcohol prohibition just as the consumption of currently illegal drugs has increased, so what "goal" has been accomplished by these drug wars? I cannot see one problem solved by drug wars while I can see many problems created by these drug wars.
 
To bad you didn't live during the prohibtion days of the 20's (and/or?) 30's, CornMaster. To simplify what Berzerker said: Al Capone and the likes established their gangs around illegal liquor. The most powerful gangs in American history grew up around prohibition!
The way I see it is, if drugs/alchohol are illegal, then CRIMINALS are going to be the ones trading the stuff. Criminals that have already comited illeagal crimes and aren't afraid to commit violent crimes over their drug/booze resources.
I say:
-Legalize all drugs and alchohol.
-Legalize prostitution.
-Get rid of all restrictions on gambling.

I bet that pisses off super-conservatives like you, doesn't it, CornMaster?

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I think illegal drugs, Marijuana, Cocaine, Heroin ect....should be illegal cause if they were legal the world would be really ****ed up. And there's already enough dumbass potheads in the world so we don't need anymore. And we don't need crackbaby's either.
Alcohol should stay legal, i hate smoking i think smoking is stupid, people start smoking to fit in, and that is pathetic. You don't wanna smoke around me cause i'll grab the cig and throw it out the window. My motto is, "kill yourself but don't kill me"

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Of all of the drugs that are currently illegal, I think that marijuana is the only one that should be legalized. All of the other illegal drugs fu*k people's worlds up way too much.

I don't care if coke was legal, people would still do whatever it took to get their fix.

If all drugs were legal, unemployment would skyrocket in every industry except health care, law enforcement and rehab centers.

As for the argument that cops could concentrate on other things if they didn't have to mess with the dealers, that's absurd. If that was the case the cops would be spending a lot more time dealing with "the drug problem", just not with the dealers, but the users that would be running amuck. For anyone who doesn't believe that drugs cause people to do fuc*ed up sh*t, come to Phoenix AZ sometime & hangout for a while, get to know some tweekers (tweeker: One who is a crystal meth junkie) and see how bad crystal meth can ruin a life/lives.

P.S. I'd like to see you try to take a cigarette (or anything else for that matter) away from me, Tzu. Considering that you've no idea whom you may be adressing on a BB, that's a bold statement. But being so bold from behind the security of the internet is a subject for another topic.
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[This message has been edited by gjts00 (edited September 05, 2001).]
 
I wouldn't mind the legalization of marijuana. In fact, medical herb is legal here in Colorado. Those other drugs...Oh, NO!! There is too much violence associated with those.

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This reminds me... From the Roman empire... And its troubles with christians.
'Drug users are troublemakers and should we should arrest all of them!' Thou should all
read more history. That we u wouldn't make same mistakes all the time.

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Originally posted by Graeme the mad:
Coffee corn master? and how about pain relievers or calpol?

Do you abstain from alchohol cornmaster?

Originally posted by Berzerker:
Then outlaw religion and ideology while your at it
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Now you guys are getting it.
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I don't take "Pain Relievers", I don't drink coffee or alchohol, and I don't prescribe to any religion.

But the point of my post wasn't to eliminate everything. That's how I feel....but that will never happen. I read that some Swedish Scienctists realized that Beer (In moderate amounts) contains excellent amounts of Vitimin B. What I'm really worried about are the illegal drugs of today and the softer drugs that are SOOOOOOO easy to get!

These must be done away with. And alchohol does serious damage...but I don't see it going away either. If people would only plug their brain in and recharge it....we wouldn't have this problem!!!

Luckly smoking seems to be on the retreat. At least from a business standpoint. There are a few big companies in Florida that won't hire smokers because they increase the insurance costs, they call in sick more often and loose overall productivity. I was happy about that choice (of course my smoking mother, was VERY upset)

Also in Ottawa (I believe) they have banned smoking in ALL public places. Unless it's your house, your car, or a designated smoking area, you can be fined for smoking. I also like that decision.

Anyway.....I hope you guys realize I'm not that extreme....but I think it's where we have to go.

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Originally posted by Cornmasterius:
Also in Ottawa (I believe) they have banned smoking in ALL public places. Unless it's your house, your car, or a designated smoking area, you can be fined for smoking. I also like that decision.
We got same kind of law here in 1998. That was nice!
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Sun Tzu -
I think illegal drugs, Marijuana, Cocaine, Heroin ect....should be illegal cause if they were legal the world would be really ****ed up.

Yeah, the world has done quite fine with you freedom haters running the show. Yup, 100 million dead last century from the leftists but Sun Tzu is worried about the pot smokers. Btw, ALL drugs were legal for the first century of the United States' existence...

And there's already enough dumbass potheads in the world so we don't need anymore.

Better hope you can keep the job of identifying "dumbasses", you might just find yourself in the dumbass line!

And we don't need crackbaby's either.

Oh, but babies born with fetal alcohol syndrome is fine with you? Back in the late 60's, Nixon began his war on pot. Traffickers switched to drugs that were more concentrated, compact and less smelly - cocaine and heroin! A few years later crack cocaine was produced by the black market - a market created by people like you. Funny, we have the people who wanted to stop us from using pot to thank for crack cocaine. But the "crack baby" hysteria was a bucket full of BS. Where are the medical analyses proving even 1/10 of the lies being told about "crack babies"? ALL medical analyses have shown the crack baby hysteria to be a bunch of lies. A Canadian team of doctors published their analysis of the pre-natal effects of crack cocaine, tobacco, and alcohol, and they (as every other researcher)
found that crack cocaine had an effect on unborn babies similar to tobacco and that both tobacco and crack cocaine paled in comparison to alcohol. But the hysteria produced by your side scared many people away from adopting "crack babies"! Yeah, you people probably did more damage to crack babies than the cocaine ever did!!!

Alcohol should stay legal

The stench of hypocrisy coming from you prohibitionists would repel a vulture!

i hate smoking i think smoking is stupid, people start smoking to fit in, and that is pathetic. You don't wanna smoke around me cause i'll grab the cig and throw it out the window. My motto is, "kill yourself but don't kill me"

Gee, everything seems to revolve around you. Let me guess, you believe in freedom too, lol.





[This message has been edited by Berzerker (edited September 07, 2001).]
 
Originally posted by Berzerker:
Sun Tzu - Gee, everything seems to revolve around you. Let me guess, you believe in freedom too, lol.



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YEAH!!! What he said!
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