TheLastOne36
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WARNING: I'm a nationalistic sometimes biased Pole, so information here may be a little exaggerated. 
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Hello, with all the hipe going around over Poland, People are getting tired of poland. Well not Poland but the people who keep on debating it, making fun of Poland, and just tired of hearing Poland from all of these posts. So knowing me i have made a very long thread for pure discussing of Poland so that we don't have to discuss it and annoy other people outside this thread.
Please after the making of this thread, could you please move any arguments onto this thread instead of debating it over at other threads?
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Great now i'm glad we got that out of our system, now i'm gonna list a few arguments for poland.
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Argument Against: Poland didn't have a long history, so why is it an option?
Answer: Your absolutely wrong.
Polish History: Part A: Prehistory - Before there was a unified Poland, there was many Slavic, Celtic, Germanic and Baltic tribes. The one that stood out from the rest the most was the Slavic tribes living along the Vistula river Valley.
Sometime later, the Polish tribes (who are slavic if you didn't know
) started conquering lands around it. This took place at around 700 BC with the dating of the Archeology site at Biskupin. At this time Polish tribes were already well aware of how to use Iron. There is also a Theory that ancient Polish tribes invented Iron Working before the Hittites did, Although there is no proof of this as of yet. <Seen that on the discovery channel 
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City States and later a Kingdom rose. Later on in history, the beginning of the state of Poland started when Polish King Mieszko I Converted into Christianity. This is the first recorded King of Poland. (i think). After the Baptize of Mieszko I, Roman Catholic Christianity was adopted as the new state religion of Poland. After this many people in Poland was Baptized and this was the end of Polish Prehistory.
Poland as you see here, a very old nation. And unlike the state of Isreal who has no real straight connection to the ancient Kingdom of Isreal, Modern day Poland does have a direct Connection to the ancient Polish tribes.
I think i covered it well enough to move on.
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Argument Against: Ok Poland was a nation for a long time, But hasn't been a state for that long. (from after the Baptize of Mieszko I).
Answer: Poland has spent most of her history under her on control.
i remember someone saying that he done the statistics and apparently poland hasn't been a state for only about 20 or 30 % of her history (forgot which one and i forgot who posted it).
If someone finds the post please post it here.
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Argument against: Ok, But why poland before other civs such as Austria?
Answer: Poland is Slavic. Russia is Slavic. Every other slav is slavic
. And Many non-Russian slavs hate being represented by only Russia, since the last century has been, well rather harsh to slavs. and the root to that problem was the soviet union. If you have a brain you know what i mean. So having both Poland and Russia will help the problem with the slavic market. Austria in particular isn't slavic, but Germanic so it doesn't really help the situation. And just to let you know, I'd rather have Austria then Poland, but i don't care which one get's in as long as one get's in.(just to eliminate a couple future arguments)
It just doesn't stop there. East europe is seriously underrepresented. The only east european country in the game there is Russia. And i can't believe Fireaxis was stupid enough to count germany, HRE and Ottomans as part of East Europe.
And then Austria is central europe. Not East nor West specifically. Same thing goes from Poland. Except Poland can be a Central European and an east european so just more reasons why Poland was a good choice.
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Argument Against: Ok why Poland over other Slavic Countries?
Answer? What better country to represent the remaining slavic country other then Poland? Yugoslavia is to new, Ukraine has to much similarities to russia, i really can't think of anything else a better candidate then Poland.
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I'm running outta time but i'll add more elater. Discuss some things here and when i get back i'll post more.
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Hello, with all the hipe going around over Poland, People are getting tired of poland. Well not Poland but the people who keep on debating it, making fun of Poland, and just tired of hearing Poland from all of these posts. So knowing me i have made a very long thread for pure discussing of Poland so that we don't have to discuss it and annoy other people outside this thread.
Please after the making of this thread, could you please move any arguments onto this thread instead of debating it over at other threads?
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Great now i'm glad we got that out of our system, now i'm gonna list a few arguments for poland.
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Argument Against: Poland didn't have a long history, so why is it an option?
Answer: Your absolutely wrong.
Polish History: Part A: Prehistory - Before there was a unified Poland, there was many Slavic, Celtic, Germanic and Baltic tribes. The one that stood out from the rest the most was the Slavic tribes living along the Vistula river Valley.
Sometime later, the Polish tribes (who are slavic if you didn't know
) started conquering lands around it. This took place at around 700 BC with the dating of the Archeology site at Biskupin. At this time Polish tribes were already well aware of how to use Iron. There is also a Theory that ancient Polish tribes invented Iron Working before the Hittites did, Although there is no proof of this as of yet. <Seen that on the discovery channel .City States and later a Kingdom rose. Later on in history, the beginning of the state of Poland started when Polish King Mieszko I Converted into Christianity. This is the first recorded King of Poland. (i think). After the Baptize of Mieszko I, Roman Catholic Christianity was adopted as the new state religion of Poland. After this many people in Poland was Baptized and this was the end of Polish Prehistory.
Poland as you see here, a very old nation. And unlike the state of Isreal who has no real straight connection to the ancient Kingdom of Isreal, Modern day Poland does have a direct Connection to the ancient Polish tribes.
I think i covered it well enough to move on.
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Argument Against: Ok Poland was a nation for a long time, But hasn't been a state for that long. (from after the Baptize of Mieszko I).
Answer: Poland has spent most of her history under her on control.
i remember someone saying that he done the statistics and apparently poland hasn't been a state for only about 20 or 30 % of her history (forgot which one and i forgot who posted it).
If someone finds the post please post it here.
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Argument against: Ok, But why poland before other civs such as Austria?
Answer: Poland is Slavic. Russia is Slavic. Every other slav is slavic
. And Many non-Russian slavs hate being represented by only Russia, since the last century has been, well rather harsh to slavs. and the root to that problem was the soviet union. If you have a brain you know what i mean. So having both Poland and Russia will help the problem with the slavic market. Austria in particular isn't slavic, but Germanic so it doesn't really help the situation. And just to let you know, I'd rather have Austria then Poland, but i don't care which one get's in as long as one get's in.(just to eliminate a couple future arguments)It just doesn't stop there. East europe is seriously underrepresented. The only east european country in the game there is Russia. And i can't believe Fireaxis was stupid enough to count germany, HRE and Ottomans as part of East Europe.
And then Austria is central europe. Not East nor West specifically. Same thing goes from Poland. Except Poland can be a Central European and an east european so just more reasons why Poland was a good choice.
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Argument Against: Ok why Poland over other Slavic Countries?
Answer? What better country to represent the remaining slavic country other then Poland? Yugoslavia is to new, Ukraine has to much similarities to russia, i really can't think of anything else a better candidate then Poland.
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I'm running outta time but i'll add more elater. Discuss some things here and when i get back i'll post more.
