Warlords- What is it good for, absolutely nothing ugh!

Without resolving to bashing Firaxis, but seriously: What is Warlords good for except wasting money? The mods that are available right now are amazing and give you infinitely more of everything you want for cIV than the warlords expansion, for free.

I mean come on, 30 bucks for (compared to Sevomod, chosen bc that's the one I play not bc I want to advertise it):

# 6 new civs - Sevomod gives you 23
# 10 new leaders - Sevomod gives you 37
# 3 new traits - Sevomod gives you 4
# 10 new units - Sevomod gives you a ton and more
# 3 wonders - Sevomod gives you 11
# 3 new recs - Sevomod gives you 3 or more coming up
# 1 new GP, the warlord - Sevomod included it ages ago with very similar features

So what I pay 30 bucks for is:

- 6 scenarios ( I won't play one bc I don't like scenarios )
- the Vassal State concept (the only truly interesting thing)
- civ-unique buildings (that sounds not really difficult to mod)

Sevomod gives me so many more features that I haven't even experienced them all yet.

Fall from Heaven gives you a whole new game, Total Realism is similar in the number of new features just polarized in another direction, The Ancient Mediterranean Mod is a whole world of scenario for you.

So why would anyone want to buy Warlords? I will stick with Sevomod that achieved the thing I was missing in the vanilla version: It brought back my OMTS. I will not buy Warlords, not unless Firaxis is going full throttle and giving us a ton of exiting new balanced features, requested by the community or so cunning that we did not even conceive them yet. I know some call it insolent and insatiable, but that's the way it is sry!

Warlords aside, thank you Firaxis for making a great game with great potential and for pusuing the policy with mods that you do, releasing the SDK etc.!

I intend to purchase it. $30 is a pittance.

Warlords was created and will be released by professionals. Sevomod was created by an amateur modder.

Eternalsteelfan said:

Warlords was created and will be released by professionals. Sevomod was created by an amateur modder.

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Exactly. Well Said

Sevomod is nice and all, but I can't quite fit it on my old computer. It crashes and such. Heck, regular Civ crashes if I try to quit (only when I try to quit for some reason), so I've resorted to alt+tabbing and ctrl+alt+deleting. Still, I wanna get Warlords. Vassal state concept FTW!

Eternalsteelfan said:

Warlords was created and will be released by professionals. Sevomod was created by an amateur modder.

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And that makes it sublime "by grace of god" like? Sorry but I do not see the point you are trying to make.

I don't see why being an amateur mod would make it any less good...

Unfortunetly for you, it is very likely that modmakers will update to the latest version of the game, meaning that mods for vanilla Civ 4 won't get updated near as often (if at all), as all the updates will be concentrated on newer versions. This is because Firaxis will include things that modmakers will want to use, and it's alot less hassle to just mod the expansion rather than the original.

It's a bit like new patches. Not exactly like them, but a bit like them...

I want to buy Warlords. I can trust Firaxis more. It's an official product and I intend to purchase.

The point he is trying to make is that no one cares about your opinion or whether u will buy the expansion. The modders including sevomod will most liklely but the expansion so then can mod the new unit models and new leaders faces more things created by professionals means more options for modders so stop ur whining

Shigga said:

And that makes it sublime "by grace of god" like? Sorry but I do not see the point you are trying to make.

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Professional companies have an accountability that amateurs do not. There are recourses to take with a professional when things do not go as planned.

Not so with an amateur.

Quality not quantity. Sevomod is a well made mod, but I prefer the security of an official expansion (same level of quality as the original game, better support, more thouroghly playtested etc.). Think of it as alternative to Sevomod.

If I may use another game for comparison, NeverWinter Nights; is a game similar to CIV4 in the sense you can heavily mod it(although I think CIV4 is pretty unprecedented in supporting third-party mods or anything that alters the orginal game by a third party).

NWN has had several expansions, and I have bought every one. Despite downloading many, many mods(most of which do nothing except make the characters nude), the expansion scenarios have voice-overs, complex puzzles, and other things most modders can or won't do. For if they could, they would probably be doing it for 80 dollars an hour.

I am going to download all the mods I can get, and buy the expansion. Chances are the expansion will have the animated leader heads, the wonder videos, and will probably be more balanced.

There are cases when expansions make the original game worse, such as WarCraft III. Where all they did was amplify what you hated.
I am rather skeptical of unique building's, and unique unit's. Unique unit's happen to be a pet peave of mine. This especially goes for The Russian Cossacks and Roman Praetorians. Both of which are so powerful they pretty much Own you for several centuries until you discover a superior technology. Even then, Praetorians can stand toe-to-toe with Macemen, and Cossacks pretty much destroy riflemen(what I usually use to counter cavalry). What I would like to see is more unit's like the War elephant. The War elephant does not unbalance the game, yet it is unique, and gives a good counter to knights if you lack iron, but have Ivory. Perhaps they could offer unit's based on local draft animals(camel archers!!).

Long story short, it's all a matter of whether the professionalism is worth the $30 dollars to you.

Thirty bucks is much less than I spend for gas a week, so buying is a no-brainer. One thing to consider is that future mods will likely only work with Warlords.

You are right, Civ4 is so moddable that a expansion isn’t needed at all. Personally I don’t care about the new units, scenarios and civilizations (I only play with one civ, so I really don’t need more). Most of the “new” additions in Warlords are already available in the “Civ4 - Creation & Customization” forum or you mod them on yourself. I think Firaxis knows that and the only chance to sell a lot of Warlords DVDs is to provide an even better modability like the vanilla version. That’s the only reason I will buy Warlords, because they will include a lot of nice additions for moders (and improve the AI I hope). In the long run the most mods will use the expansion and you have to buy it in order to play them.
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SuperSatan3 said:

<snip>Despite downloading many, many mods(most of which do nothing except make the characters nude),<snip>

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You needed more than one?

Ok, i was about to ask the question "have the bugs been fixed in Sevomod or is it still all glitchy," but then after reading your posts here I think I will stick with looking forward to the expansion pack.

<snip>Despite downloading many, many mods(most of which do nothing except make the characters nude),<snip>

how about a nude civ4 spy

...and Shigga claims to be a 100 percent Civ IV addict...

drkodos said:

Professional companies have an accountability that amateurs do not. There are recourses to take with a professional when things do not go as planned.

Not so with an amateur.

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I don't get this, what kind of 'not going as planned' are you talking about and what 'recourses'? You can maybe get a refund if it completely doesn't work, or threaten to not buy their next game if you don't like it, but none of that seems to really warrant the dramatic-but-vague language. If they don't finish on time you can wait for them to release it (like with the 1.62 patch). If you don't like the gameplay you can uninstall it. Doesn't really seem all that different than dealing with a mod to me.

Since there are people for whom vanilla civ didn't work out of the box, I'm sure they'd like to know what their recourses are.

Joebasalt13 said:

The point he is trying to make is that no one cares about your opinion or whether u will buy the expansion. The modders including sevomod will most liklely but the expansion so then can mod the new unit models and new leaders faces more things created by professionals means more options for modders so stop ur whining

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Now that is a really refined way of dealing with ppl you have there. Sadly, some seem to care about the question I posed. I will concede tho that my buying or not is not relevant. Oh and I will still have my opinion sorry if that disturbs you

warpstorm said:

Thirty bucks is much less than I spend for gas a week, so buying is a no-brainer. One thing to consider is that future mods will likely only work with Warlords.

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Hm I never really thoght about the mod part... But you're right, that is the first valid reason I read to buy Warlords. Also, later posters are right about the new features that makes a modders life easier. I did not think about that either, mea maxima culpa. Narf I guess I'll have to buy it if I like it or not *sigh*

kittenOFchaos said:

...and Shigga claims to be a 100 percent Civ IV addict...

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No, actually I claim to be a 100% percent addict but my sig says nothing about what I am addicted of even if the first part suggests civ No seriously all expansion have been so far excluded from my definition of addiction for whatever reason