Global Warming Myths Busted

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Over the next few weeks i'll be busting some of the myths about Global Warming.This will be from New Scientist.

Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter.

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Ice cores show that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have remained between 180 and 300 parts per million for the past half-a-million years. In recent centuries, however, CO2 levels have risen sharply, to at least 380 ppm (see Greenhouse gases hit new high)

So what's going on? It is true that human emissions of CO2 are small compared with natural sources. But the fact that CO2 levels have remained steady until very recently shows that natural emissions are usually balanced by natural absorptions. Now slightly more CO2 must be entering the atmosphere than is being soaked up by carbon "sinks".

The consumption of terrestrial vegetation by animals and by microbes (rotting, in other words) emits about 220 gigatonnes of CO2 every year, while respiration by vegetation emits another 220 Gt. These huge amounts are balanced by the 440 Gt of carbon absorbed from the atmosphere each year as land plants photosynthesise.

Similarly, parts of the oceans release about 330 Gt of CO2 per year, depending on temperature and rates of photosynthesis by phytoplankton, but other parts usually soak up just as much – and are now soaking up slightly more.

Ocean sinks
Human emissions of CO2 are now estimated to be 26.4 Gt per year, up from 23.5 Gt in the 1990s, according to an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report in February 2007 (pdf format). Disturbances to the land – through deforestation and agriculture, for instance – also contribute roughly 5.9 Gt per year.

About 40% of the extra CO2 entering the atmosphere due to human activity is being absorbed by natural carbon sinks, mostly by the oceans. The rest is boosting levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.

How can we be sure that human emissions are responsible for the rising CO2 in the atmosphere? There are several lines of evidence. Fossil fuels were formed millions of years ago. They therefore contain virtually no carbon-14, because this unstable carbon isotope, formed when cosmic rays hit the atmosphere, has a half-life of around 6000 years. So a dropping concentration of carbon-14 can be explained by the burning of fossil fuels. Studies of tree rings have shown that the proportion of carbon-14 in the atmosphere dropped by about 2% between 1850 and 1954. After this time, atmospheric nuclear bomb tests wrecked this method by releasing large amounts of carbon-14.

Volcanic misunderstanding
Fossil fuels also contain less carbon-13 than carbon-12, compared with the atmosphere, because the fuels derive from plants, which preferentially take up the more common carbon-12. The ratio of carbon-13 to carbon-12 in the atmosphere and ocean surface waters is steadily falling, showing that more carbon-12 is entering the atmosphere.

Finally, claims that volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities are simply not true. In the very distant past, there have been volcanic eruptions so massive that they covered vast areas in lava more than a kilometre thick and appear to have released enough CO2 to warm the planet after the initial cooling caused by the dust (see Wipeout). But even with such gigantic eruptions, most of subsequent warming may have been due to methane released when lava heated coal deposits, rather than from CO2 from the volcanoes (see also Did the North Atlantic's 'birth' warm the world?).

Measurements of CO2 levels over the past 50 years do not show any significant rises after eruptions. Total emissions from volcanoes on land are estimated to average just 0.3 Gt of CO2 each year – about a hundredth of human emissions (pdf document).

While volcanic emissions are negligible in the short term, over tens of millions of years they do release massive quantities of CO2. But they are balanced by the loss of carbon in ocean sediments subducted under continents through tectonic plate movements. Ultimately, this carbon will be returned to the atmosphere by volcanoes.

Here are some pics:

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Each line from the top is bigger cuts in GLOBAL carbon dioxide.


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Please say how this is not true.
 
By posting that, you are part of the problem.

LINKY

The problem of reducing carbon emissions is the main for aviation and motoring industries, because the most part of the global pollution is from these industries. But analysis shows that II industry and consumer electronics give 2 per cent of global carbon dioxide emissions, which is the same pollution as from aviation and motoring.
 
By posting that, you are part of the problem.

LINKY

And all this says is that computers use alot of energy, meaning that we need more power stations. Yes i try to turn of stuff when i'm not using it, and at least these companies are doing something, unlike many people and other businesses.
 
Over the next few weeks i'll be busting some of the myths about Global Warming.This will be from New Scientist.

Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter.

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Is it just me, or are you contradicting the article you posted?
"How can we be sure that human emissions are responsible for the rising CO2 in the atmosphere? There are several lines of evidence."
"...claims that volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities are simply not true."


Do you want us to disprove the article for you? I'm confused as to what the point of this thread is. Normally threads start with an opinion or a point of view and an article in support of said opinion.
 
It's obvious to me that he is debunking the myth that human activity is not responsible for global CO2 levels.
 
Finally! Some actual numbers to back what I've been telling people.

Natural processes+CO2 = Natrual processes-CO2.
Natural processes+CO2 + Human processes > Natural processes-CO2

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I think that the most compelling argument that global warming is not the result of human activities and rather the effect of activities within the Sun are the fact that planets such as Venus and Mars are also both heating up.
 
What I don't understand is why there is such a furor now. If it were up to me, we'd all do our best to live green all the time. It can only help the environment.

I can't understand why people are so against alternative sources of energy. If they work and are better for the environment, why don't we pursue them more aggressively?
 
The time frame is too short. Levels of CO2 have been MUCH higher in the more distant past (before humans). Selective statistics - plain and simple. The article's argument is the likes of: "my girlfriend walked into the room, and a commercial came on the TV. Obviously, my girlfriend causes commercials" (ignoring the more distant past).

Edit: sorry, my attempts at finding a graph that went back a billion years or more was unsuccessful. Still looking....

Knowledge of the evolution of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations throughout the Earth's history is important for a reconstruction of the links between climate and radiative forcing of the Earth's surface temperatures. Although atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations in the early Cenozoic era (about 60 Myr ago) are widely believed to have been higher than at present, there is disagreement regarding the exact carbon dioxide levels, the timing of the decline and the mechanisms that are most important for the control of CO2 concentrations over geological timescales. Here we use the boron-isotope ratios of ancient planktonic foraminifer shells to estimate the pH of surface-layer sea water throughout the past 60 million years, which can be used to reconstruct atmospheric CO2 concentrations. We estimate CO2 concentrations of more than 2,000 p.p.m. for the late Palaeocene and earliest Eocene periods (from about 60 to 52 Myr ago), and find an erratic decline between 55 and 40 Myr ago that may have been caused by reduced CO2 outgassing from ocean ridges, volcanoes and metamorphic belts and increased carbon burial. Since the early Miocene (about 24 Myr ago), atmospheric CO2 concentrations appear to have remained below 500 p.p.m. and were more stable than before, although transient intervals of CO2 reduction may have occurred during periods of rapid cooling approximately 15 and 3 Myr ago.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v406/n6797/abs/406695a0.html


So, what caused CO2 concentrations of 2000ppm (~6x current levels) 60 million years ago? Certainly it could not be cars.

I managed to find a graph of global temperature:

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What caused all that temperature fluctuation?

Edit 2: sorry about the previous graph, it only went back 400k.
 
The time frame is too short. Levels of CO2 have been MUCH higher in the more distant past (before humans). Selective statistics - plain and simple. The article's argument is the likes of: "my girlfriend walked into the room, and a commercial came on the TV. Obviously, my girlfriend causes commercials" (ignoring the more distant past).
How distant past are we talking about? 4 billion years past, or 400 million?

Besides, going far into the past, you would have to take in the locations of the continents into consideration.

EDIT: Ok, there's the time frame now. But the spike as of now is much higher than any of the other spikes in the past. And it is a double spike, like the one at ~350 thousand years. Except that the first spike has increased CO2 levels to about the level at the peak of the 350 thousand year ago levels, and the second spike alone matches its increase as well.

EDIT2: And now it's gone. :rolleyes:
 
:woohoo: So I guess we can just keep on going not giving a sh1t about the environment and polluting like there's no tomorrow! After all, IT'S NOT OUR FAULT! So why even try! Man I'm gonna go right ahead and burn some tires in my garden to celebrate.
I'm so glad we should not feel guilty at all about wasting resources and releasing harmful chemicals in the atmosphere! Long live the LA smog! It's so cool knowing that we just don't have to do anything to reduce it, because IT'S NOT OUR FAULT!

My kids are going to be so glad when I tell them it's the Sun and the Earth that actually gave them a crappy place, and certainly not us! Yes son, that overpass over your baseball field is just our way to say we care about you - and duck your head when the plane lands.

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Fault is too simplistic. It's best not to pollute or waste as a matter of fact, for the environment and ourselves. But I don't believe that global warming is exclusively a human caused phenomenon. If it is, then what caused the end of the "Little Ice Age" to end? And why did it begin in the first place, human kind not industrialized enough to cause warming, is it?



Waits for others to look up what the "little Ice age" is.

How can you form an opinion about something if you're just going of the garbage coming out in the last few years?
 
This is like what? The third time in a month someone suddenly prove how the scientific concensus is wrong, and all the huge majority of scientists don't know what they are talking about?

Everytime it becomes clear that it's bollocks of course.
 
This is like what? The third time in a month someone suddenly prove how the scientific concensus is wrong, and all the huge majority of scientists don't know what they are talking about?

Everytime it becomes clear that it's bollocks of course.

LOL, Have you read the OP or you just replied based on the title of the thread?
 
What I don't understand is why there is such a furor now. If it were up to me, we'd all do our best to live green all the time. It can only help the environment.

I can't understand why people are so against alternative sources of energy. If they work and are better for the environment, why don't we pursue them more aggressively?

I don't have anything against alternative sources of energy. In fact I would like to see a more green world. I'd also wager that many who don't agree with human caused global-warming feel the same. It's simply that we don't think by not being environmentally friendly we're leading the world towards an apocalypse.

I personally am interested in alternative energy sources, but I don't think it would be wise to rush into them as fast as global-warming proponents claim is necessary. Transition takes time, and some of the more radical propositions are just not feasable. We need to be patient with it and try to make the changes as smooth as possible.
 
Fault is too simplistic. It's best not to pollute or waste as a matter of fact, for the environment and ourselves. But I don't believe that global warming is exclusively a human caused phenomenon. If it is, then what caused the end of the "Little Ice Age" to end? And why did it begin in the first place, human kind not industrialized enough to cause warming, is it?

Waits for others to look up what the "little Ice age" is.

How can you form an opinion about something if you're just going of the garbage coming out in the last few years?

To cite an analogy I found somewhere: Does the fact that forest fires can be cause naturally (by a thunderbolt for example) mean that it's immpossible to me to cause a fir by not taking care with my campfire?

This is a line of argument which comes up very often but which I understand the last, so please explain me: Why do you think the fact that previous climate change have happened is in contradiction to the theory that the present warming is mainly due to human activity?
 
To cite an analogy I found somewhere: Does the fact that forest fires can be cause naturally (by a thunderbolt for example) mean that it's immpossible to me to cause a fir by not taking care with my campfire?

This is a line of argument which comes up very often but which I understand the last, so please explain me: Why do you think the fact that previous climate change have happened is in contradiction to the theory that the present warming is mainly due to human activity?

Actually, it's the opposite. How can all previous climate changes been natural but not this one? And please do note I said:

Fault is too simplistic. It's best not to pollute or waste as a matter of fact, for the environment and ourselves. But I don't believe that global warming is exclusively a human caused phenomenon.

I think it's probably a 30/70 type of thing, something that was going to happen anyway but were not making it any better.

So if Goa and a lighting bolt start a forest fire and no one else is there, does it make a sound? :)
 
Actually, it's the opposite. How can all previous climate changes been natural but not this one?
Because up to 100 years ago anthropogenic influence on the athmosphere/environnement was neglectable and now is not anymore.

I think it's probably a 30/70 type of thing, something that was going to happen anyway but were not making it any better.
I'm interested in your 30/70. Where have you got it from? Have you just been pissing and you thought: Ok it must be 30/70. I'm serious with my question: Why do you think 30/70?

So if Goa and a lighting bolt start a forest fire and no one else is there, does it make a sound? :)
Yes, if there is no thunderstorm and I set fire to a forest, it does make a sound.
 
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