"Five More Minutes, Mom!" : The Friedman Unit

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Pontiuth Pilate

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Pontiuth Pilate said:
how many times have we been told the next X months in Iraq will be "crucial" and/or the "last chance" or last "corner to be turned"?

It turns out that Thomas Friedman, pictured here about to open a can of whoopass on the ugly centipede crawling across his face -

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- has said that "the next ___ months" in Iraq were going to be "crucial" or "a last chance" a grand total of FIFTEEN times.

"The next six months in Iraq—which will determine the prospects for democracy-building there—are the most important six months in U.S. foreign policy in a long, long time."
(New York Times, 11/30/03)


"What I absolutely don't understand is just at the moment when we finally have a UN-approved Iraqi-caretaker government made up of—I know a lot of these guys—reasonably decent people and more than reasonably decent people, everyone wants to declare it's over. I don't get it. It might be over in a week, it might be over in a month, it might be over in six months, but what's the rush? Can we let this play out, please?"
(NPR's Fresh Air, 6/3/04)


"What we're gonna find out, Bob, in the next six to nine months is whether we have liberated a country or uncorked a civil war."
(CBS's Face the Nation, 10/3/04)


"Improv time is over. This is crunch time. Iraq will be won or lost in the next few months. But it won't be won with high rhetoric. It will be won on the ground in a war over the last mile."
(New York Times, 11/28/04)


"I think we're in the end game now…. I think we're in a six-month window here where it's going to become very clear and this is all going to pre-empt I think the next congressional election—that's my own feeling— let alone the presidential one."
(NBC's Meet the Press, 9/25/05)


"Maybe the cynical Europeans were right. Maybe this neighborhood is just beyond transformation. That will become clear in the next few months as we see just what kind of minority the Sunnis in Iraq intend to be. If they come around, a decent outcome in Iraq is still possible, and we should stay to help build it. If they won't, then we are wasting our time."
(New York Times, 9/28/05)


"We've teed up this situation for Iraqis, and I think the next six months really are going to determine whether this country is going to collapse into three parts or more or whether it's going to come together."
(CBS's Face the Nation, 12/18/05)


"We're at the beginning of I think the decisive I would say six months in Iraq, OK, because I feel like this election—you know, I felt from the beginning Iraq was going to be ultimately, Charlie, what Iraqis make of it."
(PBS's Charlie Rose Show, 12/20/05)


"The only thing I am certain of is that in the wake of this election, Iraq will be what Iraqis make of it—and the next six months will tell us a lot. I remain guardedly hopeful."
(New York Times, 12/21/05)


"I think that we're going to know after six to nine months whether this project has any chance of succeeding. In which case, I think the American people as a whole will want to play it out or whether it really is a fool's errand."
(Oprah Winfrey Show, 1/23/06)


"I think we're in the end game there, in the next three to six months, Bob. We've got for the first time an Iraqi government elected on the basis of an Iraqi constitution. Either they're going to produce the kind of inclusive consensual government that we aspire to in the near term, in which case America will stick with it, or they're not, in which case I think the bottom's going to fall out."
(CBS, 1/31/06)


"I think we are in the end game. The next six to nine months are going to tell whether we can produce a decent outcome in Iraq."
(NBC's Today, 3/2/06)


"Can Iraqis get this government together? If they do, I think the American public will continue to want to support the effort there to try to produce a decent, stable Iraq. But if they don't, then I think the bottom is going to fall out of public support here for the whole Iraq endeavor. So one way or another, I think we're in the end game in the sense it's going to be decided in the next weeks or months whether there's an Iraq there worth investing in. And that is something only Iraqis can tell us."
(CNN, 4/23/06)


"Well, I think that we're going to find out, Chris, in the next year to six months—probably sooner—whether a decent outcome is possible there, and I think we're going to have to just let this play out."
(MSNBC's Hardball, 5/11/06)

Friedman, pictured here reacting to the news that the world isn't flat even if he says so

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has yet to address the incoherence of his own comments.

Bloganista Atrios coined the term "Friedman Unit":

We have a big problem. The dominant view among the in crowd in Washington is that the next 6 months is a critical time in Iraq. As it has always been. They're all Tom Friedman now...

...six months from now is election day. Pre- or post- election day what will they say when yet another six months has passed? Do they even give it any thought? I fear not. They just keep punting the issue downfield. Bush has already said he's leaving it to his successor...

[But] it's not going away.

So here's the million dollar question:

Why do the pundits and the politicians keep on insisting on giving Iraq "five more minutes" when the public can see clearly that the mission has been a failure?
 
Time wont effect the outcome of this Quagmire.
 
So here's the million dollar question:

Why do the pundits and the politicians keep on insisting on giving Iraq "five more minutes" when the public can see clearly that the mission has been a failure?

Probably because as months go on, US and UK forces are handing control over to Iraqi forces in more and more of the country.
 
*waits for someone to make a joke reply involving the term "the next six months" or somesuch.

Cool list of quotes, PP. Who is this guy anyways?
 
A few years ago the thing he was repeating every five minutes was that every country has different 'software' (culture). The only thing flat is the top of his head.
 
Why do the pundits and the politicians keep on insisting on giving Iraq "five more minutes" when the public can see clearly that the mission has been a failure?

If by failure you mean holding back from finishing the job because the same people calling Iraq a failure demanded the changes that caused such failure, then sure, Iraq is a failure.

but it's their failure too.
 
I thought this was going to be about Kinky.

I am very disappointed.
 
WE NEED TO GIVE THE MISSION MORE TIME QUIT WHINNYING WE ONLY LOST 3100 TROOPS WHICH IS ALMOST GREAT FOR 4 YEARS OF WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:
 
WE NEED TO GIVE THE MISSION MORE TIME QUIT WHINNYING WE ONLY LOST 3100 TROOPS WHICH IS ALMOST GREAT FOR 4 YEARS OF WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Dammit, this is the problem with CFC, I can never tell whether people are being sarcastic or genuinely thickheaded.

Why isn't the poll in Friedman Units? It's what all the cool kids are doing these days.

Perhaps we should ask those who voted with Friedman exactly how many more STFUs* the Iraq War should last.

*Standardized Thomas Friedman Unit
 
For a highly entertaining evisceration of Friedman's The World is Flat, see Matt Taibi's review here (includes some bad language).
 
bigdog5994 said:
WE NEED TO GIVE THE MISSION MORE TIME QUIT WHINNYING WE ONLY LOST 3100 TROOPS WHICH IS ALMOST GREAT FOR 4 YEARS OF WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pontiuth Pilate said:
Dammit, this is the problem with CFC, I can never tell whether people are being sarcastic or genuinely thickheaded.
I think he's sarcastic. Or is he...? :dunno:

And, BTW, more time won't change the ultimate outcome in this scenario.
 
We are on the verge of victory against our eternal enemy of Eastasia. Now, let us prepare to strike the final blow against our eternal enemy of Eurasia.

:crazyeye: Doubleplusgood!
 
Perhaps we should ask those who voted with Friedman exactly how many more STFUs* the Iraq War should last.

*Standardized Thomas Friedman Unit
That's where I've gone wrong. Yesterday, when sometime claimed we were very close to accomplishing the mission in Iraq, I asked them to give me an objective measure of "very close" in terms of time, blood, or treasure. I couldn't get an answer. It was probably my mistake in not offering to allow them to give me an answer in Friedman Units.
 
We are on the verge of victory against our eternal enemy of Eastasia. Now, let us prepare to strike the final blow against our eternal enemy of Eurasia.

:crazyeye: Doubleplusgood!

If I didn't know better I'd think that was a stab at me ;) :lol:
 
Just curious to the pro-war crowd: At what point do you know that enough US soldiers died? 100k? 10k? 5k? At what point do you know enough Iraqi civilians have died? 1M? 500k? 100K? (I very strongly disbelieve the Lancet report of 600k deaths. At the moment, I have no reason to disbelieve IraqBodyCount's numbers.)
 
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