Little Raven
On Walkabout
You can't make up stuff like this. Can you imagine being the judge that had to write up that ruling?
Can I have that pearl necklace back now?
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You can't make up stuff like this. Can you imagine being the judge that had to write up that ruling?
The fact that he was ordered to pay child support is truly galling. She made a calculated decision to go out of her way to become pregnant-- the choice was entirely hers, made without his awareness. I'm not intimately familiar with tort law, of course, but I don't see any reason to assign him financial responsibility for the child.
Shadylookin
master debater
What would make someone do something like that? I think the state should take away the child, any woman that would do such a thing isn't mentally stable enough to raise a kid.
Little Raven
On Walkabout
Which is why the court said he could sue for damages. But it's not the child's fault that the mother is crazy, so presumably the courts don't feel it's fair to penalize the child by withholding support.Taliesin said:
What I don't get is that both of these people are doctors. Don't they hand out common sense with PhDs anymore?
This is ridiculous. As Taliesin said, she made a calculated effort to become pregnant. If she had not made that effort, then she would not have been impregnated. Therefore, the man should not be forced to pay child support.
The woman is obviously crazy, though. The state (as in government, not state as in province) should keep a close eye on her or even take the child away from her if she's as mentally unstable as this actions looks. What I don't understand is why she didn't simply sleep with some random guy without prophylactics. It would be a lot easier than artificial insemination.
The woman is obviously crazy, though. The state (as in government, not state as in province) should keep a close eye on her or even take the child away from her if she's as mentally unstable as this actions looks. What I don't understand is why she didn't simply sleep with some random guy without prophylactics. It would be a lot easier than artificial insemination.
The one problem is that, if the woman is not financially able to raise the child, there might-- just might-- be some provision of tort law under which the man is financially responsible though not at-fault.
If there is, this case might cause a change in the law to prevent a rash of copycat acts with considerably wealthier men.
Little Raven
On Walkabout
Not really. Child support doesn't fall under tort law. Child support isn't 'punishment' that is inflicted on a man for bad behavior. It's a social policy decision about who should be responsible for children. (answer: the child's parents) And this man is a parent. However strangely conceived, there is no question that he is the dad. So he pays child support.Taliesin said:
Maybe she specifically wanted his genes?Yom said:
As for the case, itself, from my perspective as an attorney, I agree with the Court's ruling (yes, "father" must pay child support; yes, "father" has a viable claim against mother).
There's obviously a lot that we don't know about this case - and perhaps we are better off not knowing. The mother sure sounds whacked, though, and I pity the child for oh-so-many reasons.
EdwardTking
Deity
The way I see it:
(i) He had his pleasure.
(ii) She bore his child.
(iii) He has to pay.
He chose to give her his sperm. That was his decision.
What do women want sperm for, if not to get pregnant?
Man thought that by having oral, he'd get all the pleasure,
and she would get neither pleasure nor a child.
But she out-smarted the selfish man. Well done lady!
(i) He had his pleasure.
(ii) She bore his child.
(iii) He has to pay.
He chose to give her his sperm. That was his decision.
What do women want sperm for, if not to get pregnant?
Man thought that by having oral, he'd get all the pleasure,
and she would get neither pleasure nor a child.
But she out-smarted the selfish man. Well done lady!
Nice thread title.
Double Barrel
Deity
When are you guys going to learn that men do not have equal rights when it comes to children?
A double-standard exists, and as long as it favors the woman, there will be no griping from the rabid feminists and their ilk.
My idea of justice would be that the court should give the father full custody of the child and force her to pay child support.
Otherwise, men should start....ahhhh, fa'gettaboutit
A double-standard exists, and as long as it favors the woman, there will be no griping from the rabid feminists and their ilk.
My idea of justice would be that the court should give the father full custody of the child and force her to pay child support.
Otherwise, men should start....ahhhh, fa'gettaboutit
Mise
isle of lucy
Taleisin said:
Who else is gonna pay?Yom said:
The support obligation is to the child, not the other parent. The gorvernment syas all parent shall suport, because we want fewer children as wards of the taxpayers. If you do not like this case, recall that most state used to barcukolded husbands from denying parternity of children born to the wife during the marriage, despite any availible proof.Taliesin said:
MarineCorps
Explosion!
Going for pity defense here I see. She knows she is going to lose.
Double Barrel
Deity
My mom's neighborhood has a couple of feral female cats that are breeding machines. She finally got them to trust her, so she plans on scooping them up soon in order to take them to the vet to be "fixed" (or broken, since they don't work anymore).
Think of the unwanted kittens!
Perhaps the judge should force this woman to do the same!
I'm starting to think that licenses to have children might be best for humanity...but this screams against every principle I have as a libertarian.
I guess I'm just getting tired of news stories about abused and neglected children, as well as stories like these that feature people that only use the child as a tool.
This woman does not deserve a child.
Think of the unwanted kittens!
Perhaps the judge should force this woman to do the same!
I'm starting to think that licenses to have children might be best for humanity...but this screams against every principle I have as a libertarian.
I guess I'm just getting tired of news stories about abused and neglected children, as well as stories like these that feature people that only use the child as a tool.
This woman does not deserve a child.
I was assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that the mother had the financial resources to do so, in which case child support sounds like extortion.Mise said:
But I guess if the mother can't afford it, or if the father plans to be involved in the child's upbringing, he should pay support.
MarineCorps
Explosion!
I think at this point the father wants as little to do with the kid as possible.
The Last Conformist
Irresistibly Attractive
Sooner or later, somebody is gonna get hold a piece of skin or whatever from some famous man, extract the genetic material, put it into an artificially fertilized ovum bear a child, and demand child support. Tabloid sales are gonna spike.
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