No yields on wheat?

Kor · Apr 17, 2012

I just came across the mod today and downloaded the latest version (v148.6) of CiVUP+VE. It's amazing so far, but I just noticed that wheat doesn't give any additional yield of any kind. Is this on purpose? Every other resource gives +1 to something, and otherwise wheat seems useless.

wobuffet · Apr 17, 2012

Oh, right. I meant to report this too; the tooltip for wheat seems incomplete:

I was assuming it's just a visual bug, but I haven't checked it out thoroughly.

The_J · Apr 17, 2012

Moderator Action: Moved to bug reports.

Kor · Apr 17, 2012

wobuffet said:
I was assuming it's just a visual bug, but I haven't checked it out thoroughly.

I even looked in the 'pedia after I noticed that, and it also states there that wheat gives no bonus. I guess it's just something that got overlooked.

wobuffet · Apr 17, 2012

When I hover over the tile instead of the resource icon, it tells me 4 :c5food:

1

with Farm, which is +2 :c5food:

over a regular Plains tile's 2 :c5food:

1

with Farm.

Seek · Apr 17, 2012

Thal changed wheat's (and some other bonus resources) yields recently to slow early growth.. I've mentioned that a 3-yield-standard for all bonus resources when unimproved works well for consistency, but haven't yet gotten a response (granted, it was in a heated discussion about the free gold civs now start with). Now irrigated wheat gets 2 :c5food:

, where other farms generally only give 1 :c5food:

to tiles.

wobuffet · Apr 18, 2012

It seems the tooltip is wrong then; a farmed Wheat Plains tile should be 3 :c5food:

, 1

.

Thalassicus · Apr 18, 2012

Seek said:
Thal changed wheat's (and some other bonus resources) yields recently to slow early growth..

Growth is typically faster now, not slower:

Old
0 :c5gold:

per player
0 :c5food:

Palace
2

1

plains wheat
3 :c5food:

1

plains wheat + farm
4 :c5food:

1

plains wheat + farm + granary
1 :c5food:

desert wheat
2 :c5food:

desert wheat + farm
3 :c5food:

desert wheat + farm + granary

New
15 :c5gold:

per player (can purchase granary in 200/13 = 16 turns)
1 :c5food:

Palace
1

1

plains wheat
3 :c5food:

1

plains wheat + farm
4 :c5food:

1

plains wheat + farm + granary
1 :c5food:

1

desert wheat
3 :c5food:

1

desert wheat + farm
4 :c5food:

1

desert wheat + farm + granary

Improved wheat provides equal or greater food. Desert wheat is better, while unimproved non-desert wheat is slightly lower. All capitals have 1 :c5food:

extra from the palace. Granaries are cheaper and more accessible with higher gold revenue.

wobuffet said:
It seems the tooltip is wrong then; a farmed Wheat Plains tile should be 3, 1.

Could you clarify this; which tooltip is wrong?

Zaldron · Apr 18, 2012

So do all bonus resources (cows, stone come to mind) start at 2 total yield now before improvement?

Seek · Apr 18, 2012

No, wheat is the only one.

Thalassicus · Apr 18, 2012

Wheat's upgrades are available earlier than Cows and Stone. Upgraded wheat consistently provides equal or higher yields than upgraded cows and stone.

Wheat
Improve: Agriculture
Building: Pottery
Cows
Improve: Animal Husbandry
Building: The Wheel
Stone
Improve: Masonry
Building: Calendar

0 techs
+2 :c5food:

Wheat
+1

Cows
+1

Stone

1 tech
+3 :c5food:

Wheat
+1 :c5food:

+1

Cows
+1

Stone

2 techs
+3 :c5food:

Wheat
+1 :c5food:

+2

Cows
+2

Stone

4 techs
+3 :c5food:

Wheat
+1 :c5food:

+2

Cows
+3

Stone

wobuffet · Apr 19, 2012

I meant the tooltip when hovering over a Wheat tile itself (not the resource icon): something like
Yields:
1 :c5food:

1

4

1

with Farm

where the 4 should be 3.

Thalassicus · Apr 19, 2012

That appears to be a bug with the vanilla "GetYieldWithBuild" function. It's in the game core, so I can't fix it directly. :think:

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