Pindrus
Warlord
Ooh! I like the implications of this post!
King of the World #13: Asoka
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Ooh! I like the implications of this post!
Lord Asoka breathed a sigh of relief. The Nationless Ones had been beaten back. The economy was, if not thriving, then at least recovering. And the borders had been largely established.
A trade was made with the disconcertingly alien Khmer peoples to the east:
Suryavarman may have been strange, with his advanced Technology and bizarre architecture, but he seemed friendly enough. A green-robed Khmer tutor was sent to the Palace at Delhi, bearing holy books in the Hindu tradition. The Khmer were themselves not a religious people, but they recognized Asoka's faith and, in a gesture of good will, they offered to teach him the background of his Polytheistic faith along with the rudiments of their Alphabet. In exchange, one of India's finest ornamental Iroworkers was sent eastward to Malaysia to teach both practical metallurgy and the finer details of Aesthetics. Years later when Indian returned to Calcutta, he told tales of strange foods and inscrutable rituals. He had, however, been treated well.
In the western half of the empire, where the rich flaunted their wealth, engaging in constant one-upsmanship with their Arab neighbors, massive public works were started to bear constant witness to the supremacy of Indian culture:
Tehran's Parthenon was the more ambitious project, but they had a thriving Production base, eager to prove their superiority over Medina. Babylon (or Ur, as it was called by Advisor Cheese) was more a city of commerce and science, lacking the laborers to match Tehran. They were assigned the construction of a Statue of Zeus that would call down the wrath of the heavens upon any who would declare war on the Indian people. This was a comparatively simple task, with ready access to Ivory to fashion the sculpture, but it would take quite some time.
As the western nobility built monuments to their own grandiosity, the people of the eastern homeland were forced to fight for their very survival:
Attila, Chief Warlord of the Nationless Ones, gnashed his teeth in fury upon learning of the fate of Gaul. Vishakhapatnam, the decadent Indian village overlooking the ruins of his camp, would burn. He rounded up his finest horsemen, and moved out to exact his vengeance.
Reports of the beast-mounted terrors boiling forth from the southern jungles reached Delhi and threw the court into an uproar. Vishakhapatnam was a lost cause. Nothing could be done to save those poor, doomed Settlers. But the capital city itself was threatened. Press gangs roamed the streets of Delhi and Calcutta, clapping any able-bodied men they could find into crude armor. The recruits were taught the basics of holding the line against a charge, and were given spears that were honestly little more than sharpened sticks. They were then sent to the outskirts of Delhi, to await the attack. But more forces would be needed. Backbreaking taxes were levied on the people, and Asoka was forced to sell Aesthetics to Zara Yaqob, the world's premier moneylender, for pennies on the dollar so as to be able to upgrade the crude Warriors stationed in the Palace:
As even Advisor Gump had predicted, the single contingent of Axemen stationed in the City of Destiny were not enough to hold off the assault. As a pair of Horse Archer regiments stayed to loot the ruins and make off with women and children, the rest swooped northwest to stand within striking distance of Delhi.
Delhi stood as ready as it ever would. The Palace Guards were ready for a refit, and they stood backed up by the hastily recruited citizen-soldiers from the city:
Victory was not assured, but neither was defeat. Lord Asoka stood on a watchtower overlooking the forces arrayed against him. If all was lost, his hand stood ready on the "Load Game" button. He did not wish to resort to such extreme measures but, in defense of his people, no tactic was truly unthinkable.
Attila, seeing once-ripe Delhi now bristling with Spears, cursed Asoka's name, tossed the severed head of the Vishakhapatnam governor down in the dust, and rode off to the north. He had had his revenge:
Asoka and his generals watched them go, wordlessly. They were victorious. Delhi had been saved. But the city had been ravaged in preparations for the attack. The economy was, once again, in tatters. Vishakhapatnam was a smoldering ruin. Asoka silently descended the watchtower's staircase, gathered up the desiccated head, and brought it back to the Palace where it was given a full burial, with honors. "What shall we do?" asked one Spearman, who had been a simple baker's apprentice before the attack. "There is only one thing we can do," Asoka said, his voice heavy. "We rebuild."
Sensing the frailty of the Indian government, Qin Shi Huang sent a cadre of trained Swordsmen to coerce Asoka into assisting them in their war against Korea:
With troop morale low and desperate for allies, Asoka reluctantly agreed. Korea was a distant target. There was nothing to fear from the war. Though, when Wang Kon converted to Hinduism and China adopted their own Taoist faith, Asoka knew that he had chosen the wrong side in the war, but it was too late to make amends.
With Indian Science stagnant during and after the Huns' assault, Asoka was forced to beg for Technologies from his neighbors like a common street urchin:
Asoka was a humble leader, though, and he understood that the survival of his people depended on his debasement. He hid his shame as best he could, but he knew that the rumor mill was churning with tales of his impotence. He accepted this with as much grace as he could muster.
By 155 B.C., the City of Destiny stood rebuilt at last:
This was an time of much celebration, as even Asoka's harshest critics was forced to admit that he was determined to make India great once again. At the rededication ceremony, Lord Asoka promised that the Indian subcontinent would be tamed and rid of the Nationless Ones within 500 years.
Secretly, the Indian leader rejoiced in his strong cultural ties with the Arabs and the Khmer, who had converted to Hinduism (though they worshipped in their own, mysterious ways with their services closed to outsiders). In what the elite of Babylon and Tehran derisively called another show of flamboyance by the arrogant Saladin, an elaborate wedding in the Hindu tradition further cemented the Indian-Arab bond of brotherhood:
With close allies to the east and west, impenetrable mountains to the north, and the tempestuous oceans to the south, Asoka finally felt secure.
That sense of security was shattered in 20 B.C. as Arab colonists attempted to claim for themselves the fertile lands between Persepolis and Delhi:
Apparently, in 3.19 the AIs are a little more comfortable using boats to settle their own continent! Indian Settlers founded Karachi just in time, sending the disappointed Arabs sulking back west.
Even as today, the proud citizenry of Persepolis identified themselves with their city more than they did with the Indian empire. Calling themselves Persians, a band of radicals shut down the colonial government, threatening to declare independence:
Upon learning that these agitators were escaped slaves, Asoka countermanded his generals' orders to crush the revolt. Asoka hated Slavery, but considered it a necessary evil for the harsh times he found himself in. He appeared in person to negotiate with the rebel leader, agreeing to terms of limited self-government and less harsh working conditions in exchange for renewed oaths of allegiance. His entourage left the city to cheers and chants of his name. Order had been restored.
In 40 A.D., the Barbarian's last stronghold in India was destroyed:
While the Persians of Persepolis were granted clemency, the bandits of Teoihuacan were shown only the mercy of quick summary executions. After the massacre at Vishakhapatnam, the Indian government had ceased to even consider the Nationless Ones human.
Shortly thereafter, as if to prove to the world that India was ready to be great once again, Tehran and Babylon completed their Wonders:
They were more magnificent than even their long-dead architects had imagined. The Parthenon turned the vain nobles of the western empire from shows of facile splendor to great works of thought that are still studied to this day. And the Statue of Zeus towered over the Arab border, daring any to declare war on the blessed Indian people.
And the race for the final land grab was on. As with Karachi before it, Bangalore was founded just before being denied by Arab sailors:
Its location will, as outlined by Advisor Von Baron, allow for a potential Moai city claiming the southern Cows from the island of Sri Lanka. It also exchanges a Desert and Peak from the original dotmap for a number of productive tiles that would otherwise go unworked. The Arabs, as with the routed colonists before them, sullenly plodded back to Medina.
With horizontal expansion nearly complete, it was time to focus on fixing the economy. The adoption of an imperial Currency was, of course, the first step:
Even in those early ages, the Great Library had been built in unknown lands, but the Technology would nevertheless be useful in trade. Nobody we knew had knowledge of Literature before we did.
In 265 A.D., a minor tragedy occurred in Babylon. Young Virgil, growing up in the city's massive Library studying Mathematics, was to be the foremost Great Scientist of his day. During a break from his studies, though, he sat at the feet of the Statue of Zeus and was said to be inspired:
He left the sciences behind, claiming a desire only to write poetry and glorify the art in all things. Perhaps he can stil be of some use. Perhaps he can settle in Babylon or some other city. Perhaps he can teach us the secrets of Drama. Perhaps he can start a Golden Age, in which great things can be built and the secrets of the universe can be laid bare.
So I decided to call a halt there. It was an extremely rough round, but I feel that I've weathered it about as well as I could be expected to. Here's the empire:
At this point, I believe we should decide on our Legendary cities. Delhi, Babylon, and...? Vishakhapatnam and Calcutta both have potential, as do even Persepolis and Tehran (though those would concentrate more on Wonder-Whoring their way to greatness). Maybe we should send our Artist to settle in whatever we decide for our third city.
I think we're doing well playing nice with the neighbors:
So long as Saladin and Sury are happy, I think they'll keep us safe from everything except a potential Byzantine invasion from the north of Persepolis.
Finally, a peek at the Tech screen:
Yeah, we're behind. But I think that, as our cities start to become profitable, we'll catch up. For now, are there any obvious trades anyone is seeing?
Here's the save:
A trade was made with the disconcertingly alien Khmer peoples to the east:
Suryavarman may have been strange, with his advanced Technology and bizarre architecture, but he seemed friendly enough. A green-robed Khmer tutor was sent to the Palace at Delhi, bearing holy books in the Hindu tradition. The Khmer were themselves not a religious people, but they recognized Asoka's faith and, in a gesture of good will, they offered to teach him the background of his Polytheistic faith along with the rudiments of their Alphabet. In exchange, one of India's finest ornamental Iroworkers was sent eastward to Malaysia to teach both practical metallurgy and the finer details of Aesthetics. Years later when Indian returned to Calcutta, he told tales of strange foods and inscrutable rituals. He had, however, been treated well.
In the western half of the empire, where the rich flaunted their wealth, engaging in constant one-upsmanship with their Arab neighbors, massive public works were started to bear constant witness to the supremacy of Indian culture:
Tehran's Parthenon was the more ambitious project, but they had a thriving Production base, eager to prove their superiority over Medina. Babylon (or Ur, as it was called by Advisor Cheese) was more a city of commerce and science, lacking the laborers to match Tehran. They were assigned the construction of a Statue of Zeus that would call down the wrath of the heavens upon any who would declare war on the Indian people. This was a comparatively simple task, with ready access to Ivory to fashion the sculpture, but it would take quite some time.
As the western nobility built monuments to their own grandiosity, the people of the eastern homeland were forced to fight for their very survival:
Attila, Chief Warlord of the Nationless Ones, gnashed his teeth in fury upon learning of the fate of Gaul. Vishakhapatnam, the decadent Indian village overlooking the ruins of his camp, would burn. He rounded up his finest horsemen, and moved out to exact his vengeance.
Reports of the beast-mounted terrors boiling forth from the southern jungles reached Delhi and threw the court into an uproar. Vishakhapatnam was a lost cause. Nothing could be done to save those poor, doomed Settlers. But the capital city itself was threatened. Press gangs roamed the streets of Delhi and Calcutta, clapping any able-bodied men they could find into crude armor. The recruits were taught the basics of holding the line against a charge, and were given spears that were honestly little more than sharpened sticks. They were then sent to the outskirts of Delhi, to await the attack. But more forces would be needed. Backbreaking taxes were levied on the people, and Asoka was forced to sell Aesthetics to Zara Yaqob, the world's premier moneylender, for pennies on the dollar so as to be able to upgrade the crude Warriors stationed in the Palace:
As even Advisor Gump had predicted, the single contingent of Axemen stationed in the City of Destiny were not enough to hold off the assault. As a pair of Horse Archer regiments stayed to loot the ruins and make off with women and children, the rest swooped northwest to stand within striking distance of Delhi.
Delhi stood as ready as it ever would. The Palace Guards were ready for a refit, and they stood backed up by the hastily recruited citizen-soldiers from the city:
Victory was not assured, but neither was defeat. Lord Asoka stood on a watchtower overlooking the forces arrayed against him. If all was lost, his hand stood ready on the "Load Game" button. He did not wish to resort to such extreme measures but, in defense of his people, no tactic was truly unthinkable.
Attila, seeing once-ripe Delhi now bristling with Spears, cursed Asoka's name, tossed the severed head of the Vishakhapatnam governor down in the dust, and rode off to the north. He had had his revenge:
Asoka and his generals watched them go, wordlessly. They were victorious. Delhi had been saved. But the city had been ravaged in preparations for the attack. The economy was, once again, in tatters. Vishakhapatnam was a smoldering ruin. Asoka silently descended the watchtower's staircase, gathered up the desiccated head, and brought it back to the Palace where it was given a full burial, with honors. "What shall we do?" asked one Spearman, who had been a simple baker's apprentice before the attack. "There is only one thing we can do," Asoka said, his voice heavy. "We rebuild."
Sensing the frailty of the Indian government, Qin Shi Huang sent a cadre of trained Swordsmen to coerce Asoka into assisting them in their war against Korea:
With troop morale low and desperate for allies, Asoka reluctantly agreed. Korea was a distant target. There was nothing to fear from the war. Though, when Wang Kon converted to Hinduism and China adopted their own Taoist faith, Asoka knew that he had chosen the wrong side in the war, but it was too late to make amends.
With Indian Science stagnant during and after the Huns' assault, Asoka was forced to beg for Technologies from his neighbors like a common street urchin:
Asoka was a humble leader, though, and he understood that the survival of his people depended on his debasement. He hid his shame as best he could, but he knew that the rumor mill was churning with tales of his impotence. He accepted this with as much grace as he could muster.
By 155 B.C., the City of Destiny stood rebuilt at last:
This was an time of much celebration, as even Asoka's harshest critics was forced to admit that he was determined to make India great once again. At the rededication ceremony, Lord Asoka promised that the Indian subcontinent would be tamed and rid of the Nationless Ones within 500 years.
Secretly, the Indian leader rejoiced in his strong cultural ties with the Arabs and the Khmer, who had converted to Hinduism (though they worshipped in their own, mysterious ways with their services closed to outsiders). In what the elite of Babylon and Tehran derisively called another show of flamboyance by the arrogant Saladin, an elaborate wedding in the Hindu tradition further cemented the Indian-Arab bond of brotherhood:
With close allies to the east and west, impenetrable mountains to the north, and the tempestuous oceans to the south, Asoka finally felt secure.
That sense of security was shattered in 20 B.C. as Arab colonists attempted to claim for themselves the fertile lands between Persepolis and Delhi:
Apparently, in 3.19 the AIs are a little more comfortable using boats to settle their own continent! Indian Settlers founded Karachi just in time, sending the disappointed Arabs sulking back west.
Even as today, the proud citizenry of Persepolis identified themselves with their city more than they did with the Indian empire. Calling themselves Persians, a band of radicals shut down the colonial government, threatening to declare independence:
Upon learning that these agitators were escaped slaves, Asoka countermanded his generals' orders to crush the revolt. Asoka hated Slavery, but considered it a necessary evil for the harsh times he found himself in. He appeared in person to negotiate with the rebel leader, agreeing to terms of limited self-government and less harsh working conditions in exchange for renewed oaths of allegiance. His entourage left the city to cheers and chants of his name. Order had been restored.
In 40 A.D., the Barbarian's last stronghold in India was destroyed:
While the Persians of Persepolis were granted clemency, the bandits of Teoihuacan were shown only the mercy of quick summary executions. After the massacre at Vishakhapatnam, the Indian government had ceased to even consider the Nationless Ones human.
Shortly thereafter, as if to prove to the world that India was ready to be great once again, Tehran and Babylon completed their Wonders:
They were more magnificent than even their long-dead architects had imagined. The Parthenon turned the vain nobles of the western empire from shows of facile splendor to great works of thought that are still studied to this day. And the Statue of Zeus towered over the Arab border, daring any to declare war on the blessed Indian people.
And the race for the final land grab was on. As with Karachi before it, Bangalore was founded just before being denied by Arab sailors:
Its location will, as outlined by Advisor Von Baron, allow for a potential Moai city claiming the southern Cows from the island of Sri Lanka. It also exchanges a Desert and Peak from the original dotmap for a number of productive tiles that would otherwise go unworked. The Arabs, as with the routed colonists before them, sullenly plodded back to Medina.
With horizontal expansion nearly complete, it was time to focus on fixing the economy. The adoption of an imperial Currency was, of course, the first step:
Even in those early ages, the Great Library had been built in unknown lands, but the Technology would nevertheless be useful in trade. Nobody we knew had knowledge of Literature before we did.
In 265 A.D., a minor tragedy occurred in Babylon. Young Virgil, growing up in the city's massive Library studying Mathematics, was to be the foremost Great Scientist of his day. During a break from his studies, though, he sat at the feet of the Statue of Zeus and was said to be inspired:
He left the sciences behind, claiming a desire only to write poetry and glorify the art in all things. Perhaps he can stil be of some use. Perhaps he can settle in Babylon or some other city. Perhaps he can teach us the secrets of Drama. Perhaps he can start a Golden Age, in which great things can be built and the secrets of the universe can be laid bare.
So I decided to call a halt there. It was an extremely rough round, but I feel that I've weathered it about as well as I could be expected to. Here's the empire:
At this point, I believe we should decide on our Legendary cities. Delhi, Babylon, and...? Vishakhapatnam and Calcutta both have potential, as do even Persepolis and Tehran (though those would concentrate more on Wonder-Whoring their way to greatness). Maybe we should send our Artist to settle in whatever we decide for our third city.
I think we're doing well playing nice with the neighbors:
So long as Saladin and Sury are happy, I think they'll keep us safe from everything except a potential Byzantine invasion from the north of Persepolis.
Finally, a peek at the Tech screen:
Yeah, we're behind. But I think that, as our cities start to become profitable, we'll catch up. For now, are there any obvious trades anyone is seeing?
Here's the save:
Ultimocrat
Warlord
- Joined
- Oct 26, 2007
- Messages
- 274
wow, rough round indeed! way to stick it out.
Calendar is an exceedingly valuable tech here -- you have spices, dye, sugar, incense, and bananas just begging to be hooked up for commerce, food, happiness, and health. If you can pull some trades to get it a few turns earlier, it's probably worth it -- you're not hoping for the GL, are you?
Calendar is an exceedingly valuable tech here -- you have spices, dye, sugar, incense, and bananas just begging to be hooked up for commerce, food, happiness, and health. If you can pull some trades to get it a few turns earlier, it's probably worth it -- you're not hoping for the GL, are you?
Kev
Hired Goon
Khan looks like he might trade HBR or Construction - both of which Sury lacks. Perhaps one of those combined with Lit can get you Calendar from him? Will Khan make a trade for your currency and/or aesthetics?
Be nice to get some elephants ramped up too if you can get HBR and Construction as well....
Be nice to get some elephants ramped up too if you can get HBR and Construction as well....
JammerUno
King
I say settle the GA in the city that will likely fall behind, and head toward music for another one.
Depending on whether you'll tech beyond liberalism, GS are only useful for bulbing education. You can easily backill all the other techs with edu/lib/whateveryoupickfromlib. You certainly won't need more than two GS, maybe only one, so there's nothing lost, and maybe something gained.
Depending on whether you'll tech beyond liberalism, GS are only useful for bulbing education. You can easily backill all the other techs with edu/lib/whateveryoupickfromlib. You certainly won't need more than two GS, maybe only one, so there's nothing lost, and maybe something gained.
Racsoviale
Smoke me a kipper!
can he bulb music? maybe it sounds counterproductive, but you would still get a great artist, but in the same time you would have a juicy tech to trade around.
and very good area denial with Saladin, I seem to be either too late or too fast and rexing way too much, thereby screwing my economy and playing catch up for a long time.
btw nice series I have been following it for some time
and very good area denial with Saladin, I seem to be either too late or too fast and rexing way too much, thereby screwing my economy and playing catch up for a long time.
btw nice series I have been following it for some time
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
About Virgil, it all depends upon your victory path. If you are in fact comitted to Culture, then settle him in Tehran (I assume this is Culture city #3) since this is a production city. Babylon with all it's commerce will make an excellent commerce/culture slider city.
Stewie0416
Who Cares?
He can bulb Drama, which is still a monopoly. SO BULB NOW! You can always get another GA from Music, if you can bee-line it ( I suggest you do) Then just repair your economy, wait for those juicy cottages to start growing up and build up a army. I think you should go after Sury first, he's not Protective, and his land is a lot better than Saladins. Also, Saladin is a better techer right now, better to leave him a while.
CynicalMagician
Chieftain
- Joined
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- Messages
- 62
Do the same rules regarding fog busting random barb spawns also apply to barbs from random events? Specifically, if you had been fog busting the tile that the horse archer event popped on, would that have prevented them from appearing?
No, I've hard barb uprisings spawn when there were only 2 or 3 squares that weren't in cultural borders.
As for the artist, usually I'd say settle in your 3rd best city, but I think Babylon's land takes precedence. Settle there, and make sure you win that land battle. You can settle/bomb the other artists in your 3rd city later.
As for the artist, usually I'd say settle in your 3rd best city, but I think Babylon's land takes precedence. Settle there, and make sure you win that land battle. You can settle/bomb the other artists in your 3rd city later.
huerfanista
Emperor
- Joined
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- Messages
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As Kev said, grab construction from Khan and use it (with lit) to grab calendar from either Surya or BK. You can probably get some cash out of the deal as well.
Vishakhapatnam can run lots of artists, especially after calendar unlocks the sugar. You can also farm the grassland or build cottages for the culture slider. In my game I founded a city in the same place and it's the most populous city of the empire without any farms.
Then it's Delhi and a third city, might be almost any other. They are all very equal. Babylon has both food and commerce, Calcutta is similar and then Persepolis and Tehran (probably closer to Basra) have both good production in the mid term and some commerce.
Then it's Delhi and a third city, might be almost any other. They are all very equal. Babylon has both food and commerce, Calcutta is similar and then Persepolis and Tehran (probably closer to Basra) have both good production in the mid term and some commerce.
capnvonbaron
Democratia gladii
Forgive my insolence, sire... but if this is to be a culture war, then is our young Virgil really so misplaced in his intentions? I sayeth, grant him the honor of caretaker to the great Statue toward which he is so devoted. His culture shall multiply greatly over the centuries to come (this being only the dawn of our times), and amount to so much more than a fistful of beakers devoted toward finding a method to harness noises from wooden tubes and stringed boxes into meaningful art. He may even influence future great artists to spread Great India's culture even further across the subcontinent!
I also worry for the borders of Babylon, for the Arabian king is no culture-slouch either. It would be most fortunate to claim back the floodplains already stolen by Arab zealots... and I feel the black mud that seeps from the desert sands just outside our control shall someday have great use beyond merely grease for the axles of our trade carts...
I also worry for the borders of Babylon, for the Arabian king is no culture-slouch either. It would be most fortunate to claim back the floodplains already stolen by Arab zealots... and I feel the black mud that seeps from the desert sands just outside our control shall someday have great use beyond merely grease for the axles of our trade carts...
capnvonbaron
Democratia gladii
Nevermind. A quick fact check has revealed the black mud is actually under our control already. All the same, though....
Pohjalainen
Chieftain
I think Vishakhapatnam should be your third cultural city with Delhi and Babylon even Teheran has a lot of production potential and already built Parthenon. In my opinion you risk too much if both of your western cities dedicate to produce cultural ouput because Sally and Justian can became pretty aggressive when you start to claim their land...which naturally is rigthfully India's. So I'd settle the GA in Visha.
Fetch
When in doubt, reboot.
I'm not good at culture games, so how far are you planning on teching until you turn off the science and turn up the culture?
re: Culture Cities- Okay. I think I'm gonna go with Babylon, Delhi, and Vishakhapatnam. I like the whole "rise from the ashes" angle with Visha, and it does have some serious potential for commerce once fully cottaged.
re: Virgil- I think that if I'm gonna settle him, it'll be in Babylon. Yeah, Babylon's pumping out Culture more than any other city right now, but right now it needs it in its fight against Saladin's borders. That said, bulbing Drama, or even manually teching Drama and bulbing Music might be an interesting idea... advice?
re: Calendar- Good call on trying to sweeten the deal with HBR from Genghis. I'll see if it works.
re: Techs- From what I understand, the usual time to shut Research down is either around Music (if you're absolutely swimming in religions and can afford to be wielding Longbows in the endgame) or Mass Media (for all the +50% Culture stuff). I'm thinking the latter. I don't want to be too juicy a military target. And besides, Free Speech is hard to pass up...
re: Virgil- I think that if I'm gonna settle him, it'll be in Babylon. Yeah, Babylon's pumping out Culture more than any other city right now, but right now it needs it in its fight against Saladin's borders. That said, bulbing Drama, or even manually teching Drama and bulbing Music might be an interesting idea... advice?
re: Calendar- Good call on trying to sweeten the deal with HBR from Genghis. I'll see if it works.
re: Techs- From what I understand, the usual time to shut Research down is either around Music (if you're absolutely swimming in religions and can afford to be wielding Longbows in the endgame) or Mass Media (for all the +50% Culture stuff). I'm thinking the latter. I don't want to be too juicy a military target. And besides, Free Speech is hard to pass up...
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Manually research Drama and Music, they are cheap enough.
I say research up to Mass Media, or at least Liberalism for FS. Diplomacy only goes so far with Sury, Ghenghis, and Justinian (sicne he's a different religion AND your not going to adopt theocracy).
Settle Virgil in Babylon.
I say research up to Mass Media, or at least Liberalism for FS. Diplomacy only goes so far with Sury, Ghenghis, and Justinian (sicne he's a different religion AND your not going to adopt theocracy).
Settle Virgil in Babylon.
