Louis XXIV
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Contracts I (I'm a first year Law student).
Is it possible to sell my Civ V from Steam
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When you buy software (usually) the EULA, to which you agree when you install the game, specifies your right to use or otherwise participate in the use of the developer's intellectual property. It's bad form to sell copyrighted material (also see music) without the inventor's/performer's/developer's consent, and it is "illegal".. but I say that in quotes because for the purpose of software, generally, what they're really doing is releasing "themselves" of obligation to continue to provide service, or otherwise support, for the said material in the event of an other-than-legal transaction involving the material.
In other words, if you distribute your copy, and they suspect it, they can and will disable that specific account, with no recourse, never looking back. Really all it would amount to would be lost money for the chump to whom you sold it, and if he has any other games on steam, he can forfeit those, too.
In other words, if you distribute your copy, and they suspect it, they can and will disable that specific account, with no recourse, never looking back. Really all it would amount to would be lost money for the chump to whom you sold it, and if he has any other games on steam, he can forfeit those, too.
You better take it up in the other place because he'll be long dead before they come to a decision! LOL! What I don't like about all this steam crap is the following. I paid money to buy Civ 5 on disc, but I can't let my friend borrow it to try it out and see if he'll like it. We have always traded games back and forth in the past. I think the whole thing stinks. I suppose he could borrow my profile, but why should he have too! Or can he I never tried that. He has steam on his so technically he could play the game on his pc right?
Amazing little factoid ya got there. Or an understandable slip-up? That is to say, only in Amerika would an industry trade association (RIAA) be empowered to levy fines on citizens.
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I know its the courts but given the Draconian nature of the RIAA, it probably was the RIAA directly.
Maniacal
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The majority of those fines an cases get thrown out of court now, its a very outdated and ineffective tactic that does more harm than good and does nothing to solve the problem. Piracy isn't helping anything either.
There's a rumour that Valve is working on a way of returning Steam games for in-store credit but even if it was confirmed it could be months or even not until 2012 until it comes out (Valve usually takes their sweet, sweet time, and then some).
As mentioned the only way to resell your Steam game is to give the entire account away with it, which is against the terms of use for Steam and you're not allowed to promote it on this forum.
I don't know of any non-thrift stores that sell used PC games, even trying to get a refund is a hassle most of the time (which is possible with Steam in individual cases, and for a while anyone who bought GTAIV on Steam got a refund because Rockstar screwed up the PC version of it so badly). As said you pay for a license to use the game, you do not own it. Like it or not, this is how it works.
Personal attacks against someone on an internet forum are not going to help you.
The DVD could be, but the content is not.
Yep, I don't know if that is the same case that happened recently but the courts held up the EULA against someone reselling some architectural (iirc) software on E-Bay.
Welcome to 2010, this is what the publishers want. They do NOT like the used games market at ll because they don't get a cut out of it, and I'm sure the difficulty of sharing games on Steam helps attract them to it.
There's a rumour that Valve is working on a way of returning Steam games for in-store credit but even if it was confirmed it could be months or even not until 2012 until it comes out (Valve usually takes their sweet, sweet time, and then some).
As mentioned the only way to resell your Steam game is to give the entire account away with it, which is against the terms of use for Steam and you're not allowed to promote it on this forum.
I would but I have one other game on my steam account, too. Oh well its crappy Simcity4K... I guess this is possible.
WimpyTheWarrior
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Note the following paragraph in the "Read Me English.pdf" file. under the section End User License Agreement
However, you may transfer the entire Software and accompanying documentation on a permanent basis to another person as long as you retain no copies (including archival or backup copies) of the Software, accompanying documentation, or any portion or component of the Software accompanying documentation, and the recipient agrees to the terms of this Agreement. The Software is intended for private use only.
The file can be found at C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\sid meier's civilization v.
I obtained the game, including this file with the embedded End User License Agreement, via digital download direct from Steam. The same paragraph was in the EULA that you clicked when you started the Civ-5 download. (I actually read EULAs)
Seems straightforward to me.
However, you may transfer the entire Software and accompanying documentation on a permanent basis to another person as long as you retain no copies (including archival or backup copies) of the Software, accompanying documentation, or any portion or component of the Software accompanying documentation, and the recipient agrees to the terms of this Agreement. The Software is intended for private use only.
The file can be found at C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\sid meier's civilization v.
I obtained the game, including this file with the embedded End User License Agreement, via digital download direct from Steam. The same paragraph was in the EULA that you clicked when you started the Civ-5 download. (I actually read EULAs)
Seems straightforward to me.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Check out the Steam license too. I believe there's a conflict, but it's all a bit vague.
Interesting, apparent EULA conflict because of the Steam arrangement. Well the way I see it we have four choices and two involve basically doing nothing:
1. Whatever. Shrug it off, hope it doesn't get even worse and continue to buy lot's of steam-only games because we like it and can afford it.
2. Get political. Help candidates get elected who will appoint judges who do not look kindly on some of the stunts that companies pull these days.
3. Drink more French wine. Hope the Europeans get their act together and put a stop to some of these EULA abuses on their end.
4. Boycott. Stop buying Steam-only stuff unless its steeply discounted.
Well RIAA calls them copyright "fines"even though in reality they are civil damages they have to file a civil suit to obtain....it was probably a conscious decision to use the term, to try to associate themselves with law enforcement.
1. Whatever. Shrug it off, hope it doesn't get even worse and continue to buy lot's of steam-only games because we like it and can afford it.
2. Get political. Help candidates get elected who will appoint judges who do not look kindly on some of the stunts that companies pull these days.
3. Drink more French wine. Hope the Europeans get their act together and put a stop to some of these EULA abuses on their end.
4. Boycott. Stop buying Steam-only stuff unless its steeply discounted.
I know its the courts but given the Draconian nature of the RIAA, it probably was the RIAA directly.
Well RIAA calls them copyright "fines"even though in reality they are civil damages they have to file a civil suit to obtain....it was probably a conscious decision to use the term, to try to associate themselves with law enforcement.
awesome
Meme Lord
not to be a spelling and grammar nazi, but if you're going to talk down to people, you should at least know the difference between "sell" and "sale."
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We have.
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98% of people using Steam will do this.
In America?
In Europe?
Thought they already did.
Boycotting a business that's, for all intents and purposes, global, has worked so successfully before.
....right?
I'm just going to cut out the paragraphs I did write here and simplify it by saying you're on ignore.
Just for academics fun:
It's a leasing, not a buy. If it was a buy, you might not play because I bought it.
But the question still stands. A leasing is a contract, so between personas. Can I transfer my leasing rights to another person or not? It depends on the natura of the contract, intuitus personnae or not. (You cannot transfer your marriage, for instance).
To defend that a leasing of a software containing a game, and by internet, is intuitus personae is far from easy.
So, it looks that the transfer of the user's rights is legal, while a 1st question would be to know
which legal system must rule the question.
Obvious, any atempt of duplication of the users is clearly illegal, and, under some jurisdictions, a
crime.
It's a leasing, not a buy. If it was a buy, you might not play because I bought it.
But the question still stands. A leasing is a contract, so between personas. Can I transfer my leasing rights to another person or not? It depends on the natura of the contract, intuitus personnae or not. (You cannot transfer your marriage, for instance).
To defend that a leasing of a software containing a game, and by internet, is intuitus personae is far from easy.
So, it looks that the transfer of the user's rights is legal, while a 1st question would be to know
which legal system must rule the question.
Obvious, any atempt of duplication of the users is clearly illegal, and, under some jurisdictions, a
crime.
Awesome find
There you have it. Sonoreal dont quit your day job
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Awesome find
There you have it. Sonoreal dont quit your day job
Mark.
Do you have anything better to do than insult teenagers over the internet? The kind that you say is "supported by mommy" despite the fact my mom is a single mother with four kids and a low-paying job as a secretary?
Of course, given that there is no possible way to transfer ownership of the game you got through Steam in the first place, this thread is on the wrong board.
Go ahead and try to sale your account to someone else because that's all you can really do.
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There's no reason you can't just sell your steam account.
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If he has other games on that account though, he's kinda screwed.
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