RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

Science Rules · Jan 26, 2011

Speaking of Byzantium, I was wondering why they start off with Ephesus as a city rather than Smyrna? Although Ephesus was a much more important city in 500 AD, it's importance quickly diminished as the centuries passed and silt filled its harbor. Smyrna, on the other hand, remained an important urban center through the Ottoman Era and into today. I always see it quite amusing to see Ephesus survive into the late game as an Ottoman City.

3Miro · Jan 26, 2011

Science Rules said:
Speaking of Byzantium, I was wondering why they start off with Ephesus as a city rather than Smyrna? Although Ephesus was a much more important city in 500 AD, it's importance quickly diminished as the centuries passed and silt filled its harbor. Smyrna, on the other hand, remained an important urban center through the Ottoman Era and into today. I always see it quite amusing to see Ephesus survive into the late game as an Ottoman City.

No clue. Are they at more or less the same spot or somewhere different. We can easily change one city if you give me a screen-shot with exactly which city and exactly where you want it.

Science Rules · Jan 26, 2011

Geographically speaking, Smyrna would ideally be 1 tile NW of where Ephesus is now, where the wheat is. If we move the city, we'll probably have to tweak the resources around a bit. I don't know what repercussions this would have on Bursa when the Ottomans spawn or on Byzantine Settling habits.

yogiebere · Jan 27, 2011

Alright what do you guys think about putting salt in turkey?

Lake Tuz is a huge salt lake in Turkey, yet there is no salt anywhere nearby (the closest is in Egypt!). Turkey is also known for salt mines elsewhere: adding salt would be geographically accurate, and could "spice" up the landscape

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Tuz

AOS9001 · Jan 27, 2011

yogiebere said:
Alright what do you guys think about putting salt in turkey?

Lake Tuz is a huge salt lake in Turkey, yet there is no salt anywhere nearby (the closest is in Egypt!). Turkey is also known for salt mines elsewhere: adding salt would be geographically accurate, and could "spice" up the landscape

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Tuz

Aha, a pun! Most ingenious... And I mean that sincerely. I think salt would be a nice bonus, though with all the stuff in Anatolia already, does everything need another bonus?

yogiebere · Jan 27, 2011

AOS9001 said:
though with all the stuff in Anatolia already, does everything need another bonus?

Yeah that's true, though we could remove one resource to compensate perhaps.
Compared to a decently large European country (the entire Iberian peninsula is smaller than Turkey), it has about the same or less health resources

Spain: fish, pigs, sheep, cow, clam, wheat, crab, deer, rice, salt

Turkey: fish, pigs, sheep, cow, clam, wheat, crab, deer

I would sooner associate unhealthiness and disease with Western European nations than to Turkey; it wouldn't be unreasonable to add salt to it. If you need to balance things, you can remove the deer in the extreme top right (which ottomans take a long time to get to anyway)

The Turk · Jan 27, 2011

AOS9001 said:
Aha, a pun! Most ingenious... And I mean that sincerely. I think salt would be a nice bonus, though with all the stuff in Anatolia already, does everything need another bonus?

Well, IMO Turkey should get some salt flats towards the center of the country, where large salt mines are known to exist, still to-today

3Miro · Jan 27, 2011

Don't forget that Anatolia is not nearly as "resource rich" as Europe. In a normal game, Turkey would also control significant junk of the Balkans and the Middle-East towards Damascus.

AbsintheRed · Jan 27, 2011

I can live with adding the salt near the lake, and removing the deer from Anatolia

The Turk · Jan 27, 2011

AbsintheRed said:
I can live with adding the salt near the lake, and removing the deer from Anatolia

Ya that sounds good. Also you guys should add the new Clovis I LH thats been created recently

AbsintheRed · Jan 27, 2011

The Turk said:
Also you guys should add the new Clovis I LH thats been created recently

You mean Capo's LH? I like that one too, but it's somewhat early for the most civs, and France/Frankia already has 3 leaders
Where do you think we should use it?

The Turk · Jan 27, 2011

AbsintheRed said:
You mean Capo's LH? I like that one too, but it's somewhat early for the most civs, and France/Frankia already has 3 leaders
Where do you think we should use it?

Well IMO, it doesn't matter if France has three LH's, but perhaps you could use it as an early Spanish King or something along those lines. But if you could remove Joan of Arc and add him, I think that would be 1000 x better! Just add in Clovis I as the first LH, and then move Charlesmagne forward.

yogiebere · Jan 27, 2011

AbsintheRed said:
I can live with adding the salt near the lake, and removing the deer from Anatolia

Yeah I agree, this should be the solution. The city with the deer has crab anyway, so it has some method of growing

HockeySam18 · Jan 27, 2011

Science Rules said:
Geographically speaking, Smyrna would ideally be 1 tile NW of where Ephesus is now, where the wheat is. If we move the city, we'll probably have to tweak the resources around a bit. I don't know what repercussions this would have on Bursa when the Ottomans spawn or on Byzantine Settling habits.

Instead of moving the resources, you could just change Ephesus to Izmir upon flipping to Turkey. As the cities are so close, the change could represent the decline of Ephesus and the rise of Smyrna/Izmir as a more important city. Also, after flipping, if Izmir was recaptured by the Byzantines, then the name could change to Smyrna, not Ephesus. I believe Rhye did something like this with the name changes to Jerusalem in regular RFC.

3Miro · Jan 27, 2011

HockeySam18 said:
Instead of moving the resources, you could just change Ephesus to Izmir upon flipping to Turkey. As the cities are so close, the change could represent the decline of Ephesus and the rise of Smyrna/Izmir as a more important city. Also, after flipping, if Izmir was recaptured by the Byzantines, then the name could change to Smyrna, not Ephesus. I believe Rhye did something like this with the name changes to Jerusalem in regular RFC.

Rhye did that, but it requires a lot of knit-picking, tuning such events for every individual city ... I mean, this is not Constantinople or Jerusalem, not even a capital.

One name for Turkey, one name for the Byz, thats all the city would get.

civ_king · Jan 28, 2011

Could it please be clarified if Burgundy's most luxury resources counts unique resources or total resources?

3Miro · Jan 28, 2011

civ_king said:
Could it please be clarified if Burgundy's most luxury resources counts unique resources or total resources?

Total. Many of the UHVs are ambiguous, I will change the wording on those so we can be more clear.

civ_king · Jan 28, 2011

3Miro said:
Total. Many of the UHVs are ambiguous, I will change the wording on those so we can be more clear.

Does Burgundy get stability in the Netherlands?

3Miro · Jan 28, 2011

civ_king said:
Does Burgundy get stability in the Netherlands?

Check the settlers maps in the reference folder.

civ_king · Jan 28, 2011

3Miro said:
Check the settlers maps in the reference folder.

What do the difference colors mean?

Burgundian Culture Metre got stuck, see save

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