Wonders for completing social policies

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I got this idea from danielshannon's thread. Since I just played the Ancient Wonders scenario, I agree that having wonders unlocked by completion of a policy is a great idea. That being said, I don't like going with the wonders that weren't concept. So here are my ideas for actual wonders that fit well into these categories. The goal was to have it match the theme of the tree as well as be close in era to it.

Tradition - Petra. I almost put the Sphynx and then I remembered this. It's just a really cool city with lots of rock carving stuff (for lack of a better discriptive phrase). Buildings and the like. I think it's just a very neat, but less known building that truly does qualify as a wonder of the ancient world.

Liberty - Pantheon. Seems quite obvious here. It's the most prominent symbol of Athenian democracy. It was built during its heyday. And it's quite a good-looking building.

Honor - Terra Cotta Statues. The clay statues from the tomb of Qin Shi Huang are really, really cool. Every soldier is different and there are thousands of them (I think, don't remember the number). Plus, it fits well with the martial nature of this achievement.

Piety - Solomon's Temple. I don't think you can go wrong with this famous Jewish temple. It's iconic, it's important, it's the center of a religion that spawned two of the most important religions in the world.

Patronage - Palace of Lorenzo de' Medici. Not sold with this idea, but I think something involving the Renaissance in Italy is the most logical. The Medicis were patrons for Michelangelo, Cellini, and many others. I could also see the Duomo in Florence, St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, or something else in either of the two cities. Alternatively, something involving diplomacy makes sense. The problem is the most obvious example (Marco Polo's embassy) isn't really all that concrete and is better represented by a great person.

Commerce - I've drawn a blank here. There's got to be something impressive built related to colonial empires. If not, financial institutions of the time (I was going to go Bank of England, but I don't want England in the title). I'll think about this some more.

Rationalism - Crystal Palace in Hyde Park. The Great Exhibition seems like a good tribute to the height of scientific achievement of the era that this policy represents. The exhibition showcased industrial and scientific achievement. The whole thing was placed inside a giant glass building (which was impressive for the time).

Freedom - Arc de Triomphe. I figured this should be something from early Independent America or Revolutionary or Napoleonic France. It's a bit more militaristic than necessary, but I don't think that's a bad thing. The idea is it honors those who died defending the liberty of the revolution. I suppose the cliche of freedom isn't free fits along these lines.

Autocracy - I have to admit that, while I feel I can think of things for this, I'm not comfortable with any suggestions. Nazi architecture is very disconcerting and so can Stalinist architecture (plus, I'm using Stalin for the next one for one of his more noble efforts). Maybe something non-western? I feel I've made this list very one-sided.

Order - Moscow Metro. I feel there's a different name, but I can't remember it. If there's no better name, probably shouldn't have it (don't like having a city name and a wonder of the same name). But it's a great work of Soviet architecture. It's a tribute to the proletariat, so it fits for Order. And it looks quite cool. It's also the second most used metropolitan rail in the world, iirc. Alternatively, the Three Gorges Dam might be a possibility. Probably the most impressive work of Chinese communism.

So what are your thoughts? Obviously, I'm missing Commerce and Autocracy. Does anyone else think it's a good idea to have wonders for those who complete policy trees?

tl;dr version: What wonders would you have for completion of policies?
 
Glad you liked the idea of wonders that require a completed social policy tree. Your suggestions are pretty good here are a few others
Non Fascist Autocracy suggestions- St Basil's Cathedral (as distinctive from the Kremlin)

Grand Mass Gymnastics and Artistic Performance Festival (North Korea's Arirang
Festival)

Juche Tower (North Korea)

Uralvagonzavod (Russia)- The Main producer of Russian tanks since ww2 and the largest main battle tank manufacturer in the world. I believe they produce almost as many tanks as the rest of the world combined each year.

Commerce suggestions:

The World Trade Center

The East India Company

N M Rothschild & Sons

Joint Stock Companies Act (British law which allowed companies to incorporate without a royal charter or an Act of Parliament.)

In terms of patronage maybe they could do something based off the Chinese system of Tributary states? I believe they had some official state agency for managing the tributes and diplomacy with the tributary states. Maybe the Zongli Yamen could work, though its sort of at the end of the tributary states system.
 
maybe elmina castle (or the portguese name, feitoria da mina, since castle sounds weird for that policy) could work for commerce.
and i'm not too sure on autocracy, either. i was thinking about maybe some palace in north korea iraq, though.
 
First off: I really like the idea of unlocking wonders through policies.
Also I agree with most of the suggested wonders and the thinking behind it.

I agree a that Italian Renaissance buildings are strong contenders for a patronage wonder.
Cities that spring to mind are Venice, Firenze, Siena or Pisa.
I'd think I'd go for the Doge's Palace in Venice, as it also was the political hub for the Venician trading and empire and so it would fit with the utility of the patronage tree.
But if one was looking more for something to do with patronage itself, I'd have a look at the Medici family and maybe the Uffizi in Firenze. a former office of the Medici, now a museum housing lots of art patroned by the Medici.

As for commerce, an institution would be nice, like Bank of England or the Dutch East India Company, but I agree with the problem that it's a bit too 'civ-specific'.
I think I'd go for the Llotja de la Seda (meaning 'silk exchange') in Valencia. A centre of trade and now a world heritage site.

Autocracy is a difficult one, I agree. You don't want something that glorifies past wars or past dictators too much. I need to think on that one.
 
Maybe you could go with Uralvagonzavod for Autocracy and then the Three Gorges Dam for Communism. I agree that the Moscow Metro is pretty fantastic, but Stalin was also behind Uralvagonzavod, which would be a suitably militaristic wonder untainted by Hitlerism but built by an autocratic (and communist) state. A Factory complex that designed practically every Soviet and Russian tank since the Second World War and builds half the world's tanks every year is certainly good wonder potential.

Then the Three Gorges Dam could stand as a Wonder of Communist engineering.
 
Interesting, never heard of Uralvagonzavod (well, I've heard of the Soviets magnificent production plants, of course, but never the name of such a specific site).
I'd say it'd be a good idea for an autocracy wonder, giving a massive boost to unit production for instance. It fits well in a military playstyle.
 
Interesting, never heard of Uralvagonzavod (well, I've heard of the Soviets magnificent production plants, of course, but never the name of such a specific site).
I'd say it'd be a good idea for an autocracy wonder, giving a massive boost to unit production for instance. It fits well in a military playstyle.

Yeah it'd be great as wonder. That single Russian factory built almost 30,000 T-34 tanks alone during the war. According to their website, that is around 40% of the total number of armored vehicles built by Nazi Germany between 1936 and 1945! In 2008 this factory (now partially privatized) built more main battle tanks than the rest of the world combined! So its still highly relevant.

It is also the home of the design bureau that developed the t-54A, t-55, t-62, t-72, and T-90 series of tanks.

Maybe it should give a 25% production bonus for building armor, modern armor, and mechanized infantry in that city as well as a free blitz upgrade for all armored and modern armored units built in that city.

I think all of these wonders should be fairly powerful, since they'll require completion of an entire social policy tree first. What kind of effects do you think the previously suggested wonders should have?
 
Some very good choices. Never heard of the Uralvagonzavod either, but that would be perfect (plus, a fun word to say). Three Gorges Dam as the alternative would make a lot of sense in that case.

Elmina Castle and Llotja de la Seda are both cool ideas. They are substantive things (the problem I had with the East India Company) that fit in with colonial trading empires.

I thought about the Uffizi, but figured it would be too close to the Louvre. Doge's Palace is great (fits in with the diplomacy angle too). I would like something eastern. If the Chinese tributary system has an artifact or building associated with it, it would be great.
 
The Chinese "Ministry of Rites" was in charge of relations with tributary states. There was also a Ministry of Tributary Affairs, which was apparently subordinate to the Ministry of Rites. I'll do some research to see if they had any sort of central administrative building that could work as a wonder.

While I love using the Pantheon for liberty, you could use the Edicts of Ashoka as a wonder if you wanted more eastern wonders.
 
Quickly looking it up, I like it, but would recommend changing it to Pillars of Ashoka. The pillars had the edicts on them. I do think Wonders of the World should be tangible, buildable things.
 
Yeah. They should have one person whose sole job is to read this forum :p
 
The Chinese "Ministry of Rites" was in charge of relations with tributary states. There was also a Ministry of Tributary Affairs, which was apparently subordinate to the Ministry of Rites. I'll do some research to see if they had any sort of central administrative building that could work as a wonder.

MY Chinese History professor tells me that they had a building for this purpose. I'lll meet her next week for details. :)
 
I really quite like this idea of having wonders unlocked when social policies are completed.

The Moscow Metro wonder intrigues me (in a good way)! Perhaps there's room for some sort of public transportation type of thing as a standard build.
 
The idea is truly great. However, the wonders-that-never-were idea appealed alot more to me. That would make these wonders truly stand out and there's plenty of possibilities.
 
The idea is truly great. However, the wonders-that-never-were idea appealed alot more to me. That would make these wonders truly stand out and there's plenty of possibilities.

Why not both? Maybe a "Wonders of Ideology" pack and a Wonders that never were pack? With the never were wonders costing massive amounts of strategic resources plus completed trees to make them something truly rare?

Anyway I'm glad you liked the idea :)
 
I really quite like this idea of having wonders unlocked when social policies are completed.

The Moscow Metro wonder intrigues me (in a good way)! Perhaps there's room for some sort of public transportation type of thing as a standard build.

They had public transportation in Civ2. The removal of pollution (and health in Civ4) complicates the addition, though. Sure there's a way to make it work.

Catastrophe90, you're probably right about the Arc de Triomphe.
 
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