Kraznaya
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EDIT: Also ohjesuswhatishappeninginmexico
otl lol
EDIT: Also ohjesuswhatishappeninginmexico
Eh? You can't read any book on the First World War without seeing stuff about the French 'spirit of the offensive' in it. I took the opportunity to use fake history to enlighten people about real history. (I did that with a lot of things. I'm pretty sure this TL will break the record, if one exists, for "conscious allusions to OTL".)Second the enjoyment of the naval features. Is the French emphasis on offense a result of butterflies, or a traditional historical misconception?
Mostly the OTL Constitutionalist rebellion, with a twist: Russian-occupied northern Iran became a haven for the Qajar shah (in OTL, the Russians went along with the Constitutionalists due to their joint protectorate over Iran with the British per the 1907 entente). So, in circumstances remarkably similar to the situation in China, Anglo-Russian opposition has spawned a north-south civil war with Russian-backed imperials in the north and British-backed republicans in the south.Yui108 said:What are the roots of the Iranian Civil War?
. I don't think it was ever truly clarified in the TL writing that Italy was officially fighting on the side of the Entente. Though I guess this is obvious, it's still slightly confusing.
Elsewhere in Africa, the suspiciously nonbelligerent Italians were finding both success and failure. The Senussi insurgency in Libya was dying down, with the Italians enjoying the dubious honor of being the first state to employ poison gas in warfare during the storming of Derna. But for all that Libya was a success story, the Italian campaign in Ethiopia was going past setback towards disaster on the way to cautionary tale. Luigi Capello, the able Italian commander in support of Iyasus claim to the throne, had managed the campaign well into 1915, successfully capturing both Gonder and Addis Ababa. It was then that the wheels came off. Capello died of pneumonia in the winter of 1915-6, and his replacement, Alberto Cavaciocchi, was not up to par. The Germans, seeing a potential ally for Lettow in East Africa, began to ship Zewditus forces equipment and cash to throw out the Italians, and, armed with modern German rifles and even a few mountain guns (expertly smuggled in pieces aboard several U-boats and the cruiser SMS Emden), Zewditus loyalists mounted several effective ambushes against the Italians and marched back into Addis Ababa in May 1916. From there, the Italians were forced to fall back onto the Gonder plateau, from which the Ethiopians were unable to dislodge them.
On a side note, Luckymoose has requested that Russia be recolored in the map to something like a darker green. I don't particularly care what color it is, although I would prefer to not 'change horses in the middle of a TL', as it were, but if there is some sort of general agreement with this then I'd be more than happy to change its color for the good of the cause. The important thing is to convey information in a simple and easily understood manner, after all.
uh wat
green doesn't seem to be a particularly tsarist color
What, precisely, did you expect them to do with it, other than ferry troops and supplies to China and Korea? As it was, the Shandong invasion was rather risky and involved a significant diversion of force away from Manchuria. (Hence why the Aussies and Kiwis have mostly taken over there.) It's not as though the Russians are going to seriously come out and challenge the Japanese, and it's not as though close blockade will be even remotely meaningful. The war in the Yellow Sea and the Bo Hai is mostly a mine-heavy dead zone. The Japanese are more than happy to not have to deal with a threat to their supply lines, and the Russians are more than happy to keep their fleet. (Such as it is.)Impressive, overall, the actions (if any) of the IJN seem to be a bit neglected, especially in 1916. Namely, the Yellow Sea is theirs, but they don't seem to be doing much with it.
For their part, the Afghans - specifically, emir Habibullah - are utterly uninterested in turning their state into a modern-era battlefield. Habibullah has already extracted the concessions he wanted out of the British - limited involvement and a seat at the eventual peace conference table - and is now chiefly concerned with the same game he was playing before the war broke out, namely keeping the balance between Russia and the British. And since the Russians are unwilling to devote the kind of force to Afghanistan that would permit them to overwhelm the Indian Army detachments there (the ones that replaced the BEF in the winter of 1915-6), northern Afghanistan will remain a low-intensity area.Thlayli said:Afghanistan was damn ineffectual; you'd think with Russia so concerned about Islamist rebels, Afghanistan might serve as a decent springboard for some Central Asian Islamist guerilla warfare against the Tsarists.
Not that the British would have been smart enough to harness such a force, just seems like something that might have happened naturally. And even the Brits would be smart enough to get the Uighurs restive in Sinkiang to serve as a distraction for Russia.
No thanks, and thanks, in that order.I would personally recolour all the countries on that map to be honest.
Oh, and, uh, good story.![]()
In the original version of the TL, I believe Russia was green, actually. I'll edit the maps to reflect this, since there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of enthusiasm for the blue.green doesn't seem to be a particularly tsarist color
It actually, um, wasn't that big of a deal in OTL. Despite the fact that Italo-German war planning was actually more intimate than was Austro-German war planning (one of the weirdest subplots of prewar diplomacy), neither the Germans nor the Austrians expected the Italians to actually go to war on their side. The most that was hoped from the Triple Alliance was that Italy would cease to go to blows with Austria. As Bismarck correctly realized, Austria-Hungary was not suited for a long war, and if Austria-Hungary ceased to exist, there would be revolutionary consequences in Central Europe and the Balkans that he wouldn't want to have to deal with. And while, in 1882, Italy had the prospect of joining a war against France because of Italo-French colonial squabbling and Vittorio Emanuele II's near-rabid willingness to fight anybody and everybody, the addition of Britain to the scales of the Entente and the erasure of Italo-French difficulties over North Africa in the first decade of the twentieth century pretty much obviated any real desire to fight France on the part of the Italian government. The army, being officered in significant part by Savoyards and in any course somewhat insulated from diplomatic affairs, was a bit slower to catch on.I know this, it's just that Italy wasn't mentioned in the declarations of war or anything. Their 'betraying' the Triple Alliance in OTL was a big deal, I thought it deserved a cursory note.
it looks like you just dumped a lot of sewage on the map
In many of those places, the Russians’ allies were able to move faster.
Consequently, the Admiralty knew that at least part of the High Seas Fleet had set sail – or at least, part of it did.
The Tories – who had rather abruptly ceased their harping over Ireland after the outbreak of war – were pushed into hysterical histrionics about the betrayal of British sons who died in the Boer War and so on and so forth, further weakening the Asquith government
Kraznaya said:green doesn't seem to be a particularly tsarist color
Compared to OTL WWI, how do you think casualties compare, even if we don't include the Chinese theater? They seem horrific.
Mentioned it earlier, but the Ottoman fleet was actually numerically superior to the Russians at the outbreak of war. The British never confiscated the Dreadnoughts the Ottomans had on order for obvious reasons (although, to balance it out, the Ottomans ordered fewer ships because of a lack of a Chios-Mytilene crisis with the Greeks, as there was in OTL 1914). The Russians, meanwhile, split their fleet building between the Black and Baltic Seas as historically, with perhaps a bit more confusion. Russia was building several Dreadnoughts, though, and these - the Imperatritsa Mariya class - were completed in late 1916-7.You mention the Russians attaining numerical superiority over the Ottomans in the Black Sea only as late as 1917 (IIRC). Was that because the Russian Navy widely dispersed, or are the Ottomans less hopeless than I believed them to be?
Enver's involvement with the Basmachis is one of the best parts of the whole confusing post-WWI period. I just had to include it somehow.Yui108 said:Funny to see Enver reliving much the same path. Entertaining to be sure.
Let's see...Yui108 said:Compared to OTL WWI, how do you think casualties compare, even if we don't include the Chinese theater? They seem horrific.
They've got plenty of opportunity to get more in the immediate postwar era. Finland was perhaps only the beginning of Germany's demands on the tsar for saving his throne.Yui108 said:Lastly, aside from a relative being given a throne in Finland and Shandong, the Germans don't seem to have gained much relative to their effort. Obviously it isn't "fair" or whatever you want to call it, but I'm surprised the Germans didn't demand more.
Limited British forces have occupied a few major ports as of April 1919 and periodically send patrols into the interior. I was lazy and didn't quite know how to show "areas of little to no organization but plenty of disorder" (white seems so tacky) so I just flood-filled.Yui108 said:Also, what's up with Sicily?
Decision was made in the second to last week of March 1915, fueling postwar claims by German historians that the British, in fact, planned the whole thing as a preemptive strike to secure their world power from Russia's challenge.How quickly was the BEF deployed to Central Asia? Presumably they sent it there some time in advance while the crisis was developing. Still, you'd think there would be something of an issue among the British command as to whether or not it would be better if they sent the troops to help the French right away instead.
It didn't quite mean as much as it did historically without Asquith stabbing the Nationalists in the back over Tyrone and Fermanagh. It was a lot easier to bond when the floor was still wet with Redmond's blood. And issues like the Boer War would cut pretty close to vital Tory interests anyway.das said:Ouch. Whatever happened to the Party Truce?
Absolutely. Part of the reason he's survived so well is that the Liberals command enough seats in the Commons to make them indispensable, but Lloyd George himself is one of the few Liberals left with any shred of popularity and ability to command support from the backbenchers. When the next general election comes, as it will have to do quite soon without the excuse of the war to suspend it, the Liberals are going to get fisted. (I think I'll be having entirely too much fun writing the 1919 general election.) It's hard to imagine them disappearing any faster than they did in OTL, but at least in the short term, I don't see a way around it.das said:As much as I like Lloyd George, you'd think his position would be rather weaker than in OTL. No Ministry of Munitions, no nothing, plus there was the outcry connected to the alcohol duties.
Actually, that's one of yours.das said:EDIT: I had some other comments, but they seem to have been mysteriously swallowed up. Ah well, they weren't very significant. Kudos on Stolypin surviving.
Gallipoli itself was actually slightly less-bad, in terms of casualties, than was the Zhili Campaign. But much of this is about right: the British in particular will come out of this well. Haig was never in a position of supreme authority, for one thing. (One of my favorite jokes: Haig was the greatest Scottish general of all time. No one else managed to kill so many Sassenach. /morbid cackle) British forces, outside of the to-be-unfairly-reviled Maastricht offensive, were not really exposed to prolonged grind-it-out combat the way they were in OTL.No Gallipoli, and far fewer catastrophic battles on the Western Front; also the British themselves seem to have taken far fewer casualties than the ANZAC and Japanese forces in China. So casualty rates are much more evenly spread globally than disproportionately Western European. My impression is that Britain, France, and Germany all came out of this much better than OTL as regards manpower. Unsure about Russia. Obviously the Chinese died in droves but <insert insensitive comment about Chinese population growth here>.
Absolutely, although I'd temper that enthusiasm for the High Seas Fleet a bit - the SPD is not particularly interested in throwing money at the navy, and plenty of naval theorists are going to comment on the usefulness and viability of Germany's alternative weapons (though they will certainly not become as important as they were in OTL, with the Nazis' shift to a navy built around commerce raiding, they will siphon plenty of funds from any effort to return to the Tirpitzian fleet construction tempo).Thlayli said:However, there's much more of a need for fleet reconstruction for almost everyone. No Washington Treaty for this world, to be sure. Whether Britain will be able to sustain the massive amount of reconstruction and reform necessary to remain competitive with the High Seas Fleet seems to be up in the air.
Tanks did indeed play a role, and received disproportionate attention in Foch's final offensive (with plenty of theorists arguing that they were utterly useless in the poor terrain). They were also employed, with slightly more success, by the British forces attached to the Constitutionalists during Reza Khan's final offensive. I figured that there wasn't enough of a reason to put lots of money into development for awhile longer. Churchill notably didn't have the pull to do it after the Borkum disaster. And the British army was not in the same position on the Continent as it was in OTL.Thlayli said:Also, no tanks? D: [Never mind, I see the French got some in 1918.] I was worrying the zeppelins would escape mention as well, until the end of things. A bit disappointed that Allenby didn't get any mentions, too.