MarigoldRan
WARLORD
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They're good at picking off enemy chariots in their stacks!
LoL.
LoL.
Nobles' Club LXXXVIII: Suryavarman II of the Khmer
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Tempesta13
Prince
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Immortal to 1 AD
1030 AD
1828 Domination
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1030 AD
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1828 Domination
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obsolete
Deity
Mmmm.. I was not going to play any more this week, but seems I broke down...
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Why would you build Stonehenge on a CRE leader? I don't see the point of diverting beakers to Mysticism and hammers to Henge when you could be securing more land against Burger King, who is threatening to box you in.
Of course, correct me if I'm wrong, that's just my assessment of the situation. If I had to guess why you did it, I would assume that you wanted the extra Prophet points to jumpstart your SSE. Still, the tradeoff doesn't seem worth it
Of course, correct me if I'm wrong, that's just my assessment of the situation. If I had to guess why you did it, I would assume that you wanted the extra Prophet points to jumpstart your SSE. Still, the tradeoff doesn't seem worth it
ketan
Chieftain
My second go at Prince level. First time playing non-Fin/Phi leader actually...discovered how amazing creative is!
Played till 860AD
Please critique my game guys...thanks.
Played till 860AD
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), had 8 cities in 400 BC, but my slider went down to 10%, so decided to build research in some cities. Built the pyramids because I had stone.
Please critique my game guys...thanks.
dalamb
Deity
With me it's pretty much a reflex to build Stonehenge given starting stone -- even forgetting about CRE! But Mysticism fairly early makes sense if you're going for the Oracle eventually, since it makes Masonry (for the 'mids and GW) a bit cheaper.
Please don't mention specific AIs -- it might even be a bit of a spoiler to talk about whether any neighbour is near enough to need boxing in, or to be a target of some kind of rush, or whether rushes are out of the question because of distance, or basically anything map-specific.
Please don't mention specific AIs -- it might even be a bit of a spoiler to talk about whether any neighbour is near enough to need boxing in, or to be a target of some kind of rush, or whether rushes are out of the question because of distance, or basically anything map-specific.
Well I can see four reasons :
1) Stonehenge is a free building in all cities. It's +1 (and later +2) culture per turn. Being Cre makes it less usefull but not useless and certainly not bad.
2) It's GPP per turn.
3) Having it also means an IA doesn't.
4) Myst is needed for Poly/Meditation which are needed for Lit/Philo. Furthermore, Obs went for the Oracle.
If you have stone, why wouldn't you build it while IAs are settling your cities ?
1) Stonehenge is a free building in all cities. It's +1 (and later +2) culture per turn. Being Cre makes it less usefull but not useless and certainly not bad.
2) It's GPP per turn.
3) Having it also means an IA doesn't.
4) Myst is needed for Poly/Meditation which are needed for Lit/Philo. Furthermore, Obs went for the Oracle.
If you have stone, why wouldn't you build it while IAs are settling your cities ?
dalamb
Deity
Even if you expect to conquer the AIs for several good cities, you'll usually need a few of your own for a military buildup, and the time to build 'henge is time not getting those first critical few settled. In my case I am hoping to put off warfare until elepults or cataphants are online, which makes early cities even more important.
But, you're right, 'henge isn't a completely wrong move for a CRE leader on some maps.
But, you're right, 'henge isn't a completely wrong move for a CRE leader on some maps.
dalamb
Deity
I suppose it might be worth trying for Stonehenge in a second city; if that delays it "too long" there's at least the failgold.
dalamb
Deity
My plan is to expand peacefully until Elephants and Catapults, then go out conquering.
Question regarding the Oracle tech, given a catophant attack strategy:
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learner gamer
King
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As you said, it depends but Stonehenge is only 60with Stone.
Agree that it’s certainly very cheap here thanks to the stone...and I agree that building it has certain benefits.
But, to the nobles out there, remember that 60 is also the cost of a worker (ignoring the benefits of the expansive trait). And if there’s one thing that I see nobles consistently underbuild, it’s workers. Given that we’re creative in this game, perhaps there’s an opportunity for some nobles to pass on Stonehenge, invest the hammers in worker(s) instead, and see what a difference that makes to their game. 
obsolete
Deity
Advanced Tactics.
I have very strong & valid reasons for that tech-path.
You need to take another careful look at my capital's inflow.
For the cost of 2 Obelisks, I get INFINITE Obelisks, not to mention all the other benefits.
Let them try and box me in then... someone's going to lose some cities that way.
BTW:
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vranasm
Deity
@obs
checked your save...those 12 settled GP's were really interesting look. You went with 4 city break out (that's the number of cities I counted as self settled)?
checked your save...those 12 settled GP's were really interesting look. You went with 4 city break out (that's the number of cities I counted as self settled)?
vranasm
Deity
Where do you guys find these awesome starts
I'll probably make a Deity game out of this, looks too tempting to pass.
NC starts always a bit better then the usual. They were once aimed at players learning how to play noble...
If you have stone, why wouldn't you build it while IAs are settling your cities ?
This like most things depends on the diff. level you play.
It is a trade-off, with stone the Pyramids should be yours 100%, esp. with this start, so you have lots of useful things to build besides the Henge.
Obs doesn't mind GPriest points, i do, arguing about it doesn't make much sense cos everyone plays a bit different.
Yeah, this is one of the best Capitals I've seen in a long time.
