>3 Gold Start

Get the highest score OR the earliest win date w/o AP shennanigans.

Enjoy.

Non squinty version

Gold = good. Lots of FPs = not so good. That start is a lot less appealing than you might think. Even if you farmed the floodplains, you're only going to be able to work two of the gold until you get some health resources.

Oh, I don't agree. How much of the map have you seen?

You're IMP. Splitting the gold should be easy. And who says you're to SIP?

BTW, you're also the Romans and the settings are Marathon/Huge.

I put it up for HoF testing purposes.

Are you trying to prove how boring Marathon/Huge is, or what's the point of the threadspam you started recently?
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ahcos said:

Are you trying to prove how boring Marathon/Huge is, or what's the point of the threadspam you started recently?

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this wasn't needed imo...

@OP

you should have put "Marathon/Huge" at least in the first post and would be nice if you mentioned it in thread title.
Brings less confusion.

Oh and mentioning leader in thread title or OP post is usually good way too.
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MarigoldRan said:

BTW, you're also the Romans and the settings are Marathon/Huge.

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I just told my computer of this setting and it crashed.

ahcos said:

Are you trying to prove how boring Marathon/Huge is, or what's the point of the threadspam you started recently?

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Hey, no need to be rude.
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Interesting start, Marigold. I'm not inclined to try it myself, but I would be interested in seeing how other people handle this.

OMG, gotta try

Ok time to play for one game for twelve hours.

MarigoldRan said:

Oh, I don't agree. How much of the map have you seen?

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None. I just looked at the screenshot.

Anyway, as I now see it's marathon/huge, I think I'll give it a pass. Huge I don't mind, but marathon is far too slow for my tastes.

MarigoldRan said:

Get the highest score OR the earliest win date w/o AP shennanigans.

Enjoy.

Spoiler :

The map is even better than the screenshot.

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How about Barbs and Goody Huts? If I had knewn it was Marathon, I would have taken a look earlier

Zx Zero Zx said:

Ok time to play for one game for twelve hours.

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I'm still amazed by the fact that you all play so fast. My fastest Marathon game took me about 40h, but I think I could do it in 30-35h now. My first Marathon game btw took 200h and the 2nd still over 100.

Seraiel said:

I'm still amazed by the fact that you all play so fast. My fastest Marathon game took me about 40h, but I think I could do it in 30-35h now. My first Marathon game btw took 200h and the 2nd still over 100.

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Some people likes micro, others don't. That explains the huge difference of time invested.

Anyhow, wasn't that comment sarcastic (from Zx Zero Zx)...then I took it all wrong.

I don't think it was sarcastic. 12h is fast for a Huge Marathon game. I'm really amazed if anyone can do a fast win in that time.

It was sarcastic but it was true. I can win a non HUGE Marathon in around 3.5-4 hours normally, and that is with a fairly decent amount of micro. I just play quickly, and I start my end game way a lot quicker than most people on CFC. A lot of people love the Riffle war where as I love the Medieval war. I start my wars around 1 AD - 200 AD on average, some even in the BCs . I am one of the few players who actually LIKES Protective on CFC for warring. Them Xbows real stronk. ;3

Seraiel said:

How about Barbs and Goody Huts? If I had knewn it was Marathon, I would have taken a look earlier



I'm still amazed by the fact that you all play so fast. My fastest Marathon game took me about 40h, but I think I could do it in 30-35h now. My first Marathon game btw took 200h and the 2nd still over 100.

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Barbs and goodies on. I may have left events on too for more fun.

You're the Romans, which means you have mining and thus BW first for chops and Bronze so barbs aren't a problem. Also with a bit of luck, barbs help your warriors get to woodsman II.

I went worker-steal, warrior-first, BW Wheel IW, Agri, and traded IW for AH and Pottery. Rexed to five cities easily.

I placed my initial cities to maximize production, preferably on plain hills and next to a bronze or Iron resource. Didn't care too much about food since I didn't plan on building granaries anytime soon.

Consider: for 1 granary, you can get 2 praets. And the earlier you start hitting people, the better. Also, the fewer granaries you get, the fewer workers you need since your population is low. I think the worker-city ratio is 0.7 right now, most of whom are chopping. Instead of vertical growth- growing some cities larger- the focus was on horizontal growth by grabbing more cities through conquest.

Save-scummed a little, will post save later. I think it's 1400 BC or something and I've got 20+ cities with CoL and Currency. 2000+ gold thanks to a Pyramids failure. Teching towards Feudalism. Average city size is like 3 or something.

The key techs are:

IW (obviously), CoL and Currency, Math, Con, and Feudalism. I think once you have all of these you can turn off research and just go to war for the rest of the game. Whip courthouses, monuments, and granaries in captured cities, and then build barracks and praets, with some catas and possibly spies later.

Zx Zero Zx said:

I can win a non HUGE Marathon in around 3.5-4 hours normally, and that is with a fairly decent amount of micro. I just play quickly, and I start my end game way a lot quicker than most people on CFC.

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It would be fun for us slowpokes to see a ZZZ/TMIT race.

30 cities. 810 BC. 2 Vassals. Captured Mids and GW. Running PS and Vassalge.

Er, basically:

Warrior first, get woodsman II.

Steal workers.

Tech BW, Wheel, IW.

REXed to five cities, with a couple of chops, concentrating on grabbing high-production tiles (so that way I don't need pottery or granaries).

Worked the gold as much as possible in the early game.

Built barracks, monuments, and praets. Once I got CoL, spammed some courthouses too.

Kill.

5-gold starts are nice. I don't think I've built a single library yet. Have started up granary production though, now that 2 extra praets (instead of a granary) isn't as valuable as at the beginning.

Consider: 1 granary = 2 praets. So instead of building 3 granaries, you can get six praets and capture 2 cities. Also, I think I've also built a total of 5 workers over the entire game so far.

So... the moral is, don't build granaries or workers in the early game. It slows down your expansion.

I should tighten up my espionage, but I want to see what everyone is researching, so meh.

What the
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One : you have 30 cities in 810 BC. I can't even get that amount of cities in 500 AD.
Two : you are teching Paper. It's 810 BC.
Three: Pacal is teching Paper too. It's 810 BC.
Four : What level is that? Deity? In fact, that wouldn't make it that much harder, as the AI actually has something to trade on higher levels and you won't run out of cities to take.

Save provided below.

There was save-scumming, so take it with a grain of salt. Still, I wanted to show the potential of this strategy.

Basically, I built praets and barracks, courthouses, and monuments and very little else, though I'm starting to build more granaries now. I also got lucky in that my first two targets didn't have copper.

The idea is that once you have Currency and CoL, with praets, you can conquer indefinitely. Someone a long time ago won Marathon/Huge with the Romans at some ridiculously early year (in the BCs) except HE did it with the eternal anarchy exploit to avoid STRIKE.

But once you get Currency and CoL, you won't ever go into strike, so once those techs are in, you can war at pleasure.

Also, lots of tech trades is boosting research progress. The AIs do most of the research for me. Yes, this is Deity. You let the AI do most of the work, and then you take it from them.

Finally, I'm using the "convert-forests-into-fail-gold" strategy here and there to research important techs like Feudalism. Got 2700 gold from Pyramids fail-gold... and then I captured it shortly afterward.

And before people start spamming, "Oh Marathon/Huge is so easy," keep in mind that you started as the Romans with 5 gold. Marathon/Huge multiplies early advantages AND early disadvantages significantly.

So if you get the other end of the stick....