Civ 5: Civilizations/Leaders Wanted!

Civciv5 · Mar 14, 2012

The capital of the Chola Empire was Gangaikonda Cholapuram when it was at their greatest extent.

ShahJahanII · Mar 14, 2012

Civciv5 said:
The capital of the Chola Empire was Gangaikonda Cholapuram when it was at their greatest extent.

After some research, you are indeed correct.
Google itself agrees with you, type in "Capital of Chola" to see what I mean.
As Tanjavur was once the capital, I will leave it in as a possibility, but state that Gangaikonda Cholapuram is the better of the 2 choices.

Civciv5 · Mar 16, 2012

I'm the first to propose this civ(I think)
Laos
Leader:Setthathirath
Capital:Wiang-jun(Viang Chan)
UU:Battle Elephant(replaces knight),24 strength,no defensive bonuses and +25% strength when fighting in flat and
UB:Floating market,replaces market,requires river,+ 1 food for each rivertile worked by city and + 1 health for each sea resource
UA:The land of a million elephants-Each ivory camp gives +2 production and gold,you have always minimum 2 ivory.

sukritact · Mar 17, 2012

Civciv5 said:
I'm the first to propose this civ(I think)
Laos
Leader:Setthathirath
Capital:Wiang-jun(Viang Chan)
UU:Battle Elephant(replaces knight),24 strength,no defensive bonuses and +25% strength when fighting in flat and
UB:Floating market,replaces market,requires river,+ 1 food for each rivertile worked by city and + 1 health for each sea resource
UA:The land of a million elephants-Each ivory camp gives +2 production and gold,you have always minimum 2 ivory.

I think the UA seems a bit weak, and it's too situational (it relies too much on ivory). The UB is good, and the UU (the name at least) sounds a lot like a repeat of Siam's UU which also essentially a battle elephant.

Civciv5 · Mar 17, 2012

Maybe the UA is a bit weak,maybe add some extra production for temples or religious buildings?
But England's UA isn't the best too.

MARDUK80 · Mar 19, 2012

Updated my Finnish Civilization concept ideas in post 10

Unique Improvement 1: Hiisi (Cairn). Available at the discovery of Masonry. Start with +5 Faith and each new era will add +1 Culture, but decreases -1 Faith. Can be build in Hills and must be at least 3 tiles away from each other.

Unique Improvement 2: Tervamiilu (Tar Kiln). Replaces Lumbermill (+1 production) after the discovery of Navigation. Tar Kiln adds +1 gold for the Merchant specialists in the city and gives small amount of experience for Naval units build in there. Goes obsolete at the discovery of Electricity.

New UA: Kalmar Union
Unique Ability 4: Kalmar Union. Every completed quest for a City State gives double amount of Influence as will gifting units for them. Also Finns have slightly increased rate of the specialist speed-up of creation of Great People.

New Leader: Juho Kusti Paasikivi
([ˈjuho ˈkusti ˈpɑːsikiʋi]; November 27, 1870 – December 14, 1956) was the seventh President of Finland (1946–1956). Representing the Finnish Party and the National Coalition Party, he also served as Prime Minister of Finland (1918 and 1944–1946),[1] and was generally an influential figure in Finnish economics and politics for over fifty years. He is particularly remembered as a main architect of Finland's foreign policy after the Second World War.

Additional info about Hiisi the new Finnish UI idea:

Google Translations from various Wikipedia.FI articles:

Cairn (Finn; burial ground, Hiisi, barrow, Röykkiöhauta)

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiisi
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiidenkiuas
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Röykkiöhauta

Hiisi is a Baltic-Finnish peoples Ancient sacred cult place, a sacred grove and possibly also the burial ground. Hiideksi is also later come to be called a cult place worshiped as spirit beings, the dead cemetery mending together of life formed by the collective.

In Finnish culture of Christianity after the entry has been a goblin evil spirit and evil place, such as Christianity to pagan gods and their worship places he saw. Hiisistä consisted of folktales small evil, or at least naughty creatures, whose head office was also named Goblin, or sometimes Hiitola. Forest Goblin and water were the devil in the woods and living in the water hiisiä, but also names of diseases. (See Anger (disease)). The original meaning of the word is preserved in retorts and evil wishes for "Get lost", meaning the "piss of to cemetary".

Barrow is mainly Finnish coastal areas of the sea meet hautaröykkiötyyppi, which has traditionally been connected to the Stone Age Kiukainen culture and the cultures of the Bronze Age settlements in southern, southwestern and western Finland. The studied hiidenkiuas has been interpreted as always graves, which is found inside the various structures and sometimes also the era artifacts.

Röykkiöhauta (Cairn) a stone, or stone, and built on a prehistoric burial ground, which are present in the territory of Finland eventually dated to the late Stone Age until the Iron Age. Röykkiöhautoja also occurs in many other countries, like Estonia and Sweden.

An alternative name is the ruins of the tomb, which is usually used to describe only a simple stone graves workmanship. From the ground and built of stone artifacts known as maansekaisiksi mound. Häme röykkiöhauta known as kääppä (which is a position in the word midget - that is, who has abducted resident of the holder) and Lapland, Rovaniemi. Finland in different dialects röykkiöhautoja has also been called the People's conventional names barrow, Vare and crown. The name crown comes from the fact that the mound is often a high rocky hill like a crown.

The ruins of graves are mainly Bronze Age, in some cases for the end of the Stone Age. The ruins are often monumental in size, and they may have clear structures (stone circles, symbolic walls, stone coffins, etc.). They are usually located in rock hill. Most graves are the ruins on the coast. Inland, there Lapp cairns, which are mainly in the Iron Age. The Turku archipelago and South Ostrobothnia is the ruins of Iron Age graves.

Large size of the rubble, and any small amount of austenite searches indicate that they were at least early bronze-era by the highest layer of water-proofing. Let us assume that the monumental ruins of the location of the graves, signaling the family or any other group of human rights in the surrounding fishing grounds and coastal meadows.

Late bronze-era debris from the reduced size, and they are changed maansekaisiksi mound. Disordered the mound, which is usually cremated, remains as a typical Iron Age burial as a form of Merovingian or Viking Ages. Maansekaisista artefacts are sometimes found in fairly large number of metal objects that were buried with the dead.

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmisto

Funeral stages of culture in Finland

The oldest known Finnish soil graves and cemeteries are the Stone Age. They are not generally been little more than the red ocher buried corpses with paint, which often called punamultahaudoiksi (red dirt graves). Funerary objects may have been, but most do not have left traces.

During the Bronze Age became more common in rocks piled kiviröykkiöhaudat to which the deceased or the deceased was buried or burnt without burning. These may have a large burial sites where the number of mound, or in which the same re-buried cairns, when grown in mounds. In Finland, the mortal remains of those buried in the odd pieces of equipment, weapons and jewelry from the Stone Age until the time of every Christian. Cemeteries have been an important artefacts of the ancient Finnish Location of discovery.

During the iron became available, inter alia, polttokenttäkalmistot which were piled flat stone courses are often older rocks. Kenttäkalmistoon sprinkled the corpse cremation ash. Kenttäkalmistotkin were often family or community use.

There are also carried on, or buried in venehautausta kalmoja with their boats, as witnessed inter alia, found polttokalmistoista boat rivets. Viking Age end of the transition to bury the bodies of unfired sandy ground. These graves were often made of wood or stone coffin-like structures. The difference between the Christian burial of the deceased were still on burial objects. Grave of the adoption of the objects is considered as one of the possible closure of example, the spread of Christianity in the various regions of Finland.

During a Catholic was especially remote areas, still use their own villages, cemeteries, but the Reformation finally forced all to bury their dead blessed graveyard of the Annual Cemetery.

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luokka:Suomen_muinaisjäännökset
http://www.ismoluukkonen.net/muinaisenjalkia/lista.html

Sorry about the quality of the translations. Google just isn't that good.

GenjiKhan · Mar 19, 2012

Since no one suggested Brazil before,I'll give a try .

Brazil
Leader: Pedro II "The Magnanimous"
Capital: Brasilia
Starting Bias: Plains/Hills
Music Theme: Bossa nova music for peace theme(there are plenty of options for this one) and "Trenzinho Caipira" by Villa lobos for a war theme .
Unique Unit: Independence Dragoons . Replace Lancers . Doesn't have defense penalties,unlike Lancers,which replaces,but it's weaker . Cost 220. Strength 20. Movement 4 . Requires Horses;

Unique Ability: Culture and Faith generation increased 50% during Golden Ages and less penalties for Unhapiness(like no loss of GA points and less penalties on strenght of units);

ShahJahanII · Mar 19, 2012

MARDUK80 said:
Unique Improvement 1: Hiisi (Cairn). Available at the discovery of Masonry. Start with +5 Faith and each new era will add +1 Culture, but decreases -1 Faith. Can be build in Hills and must be at least 3 tiles away from each other.

Unique Improvement 2: Tervamiilu (Tar Kiln). Replaces Lumbermill (+1 production) after the discovery of Navigation. Tar Kiln adds +1 gold for the Merchant specialists in the city and gives small amount of experience for Naval units build in there. Goes obsolete at the discovery of Electricity.

New UA: Kalmar Union
Unique Ability 4: Kalmar Union. Every completed quest for a City State gives double amount of Influence as will gifting units for them. Also Finns have slightly increased rate of the specialist speed-up of creation of Great People.

I really like these ideas.
But explain why the tar kiln would give merchant points and naval experience?
Also, for the Kalmar Union, to keep it from being too similar to Greece, how about:
50% more influence gained from quest and unit gifts. Mercantile and Maritime CS will occasionally gift you naval units.

Liex · Mar 19, 2012

GenjiKhan said:
Since no one suggested Brazil before,I'll give a try .

Brazil
Leader: Pedro II "The Magnanimous"
Capital: Brasilia
Starting Bias: Plains/Hills
Music Theme: Bossa nova music for peace theme(there are plenty of options for this one) and "Trenzinho Caipira" by Villa lobos for a war theme .
Unique Unit: Independence Dragoons . Replace Lancers . Doesn't have defense penalties,unlike Lancers,which replaces,but it's weaker . Cost 220. Strength 20. Movement 4 . Requires Horses;

Unique Ability: Culture and Faith generation increased 50% during Golden Ages and less penalties for Unhapiness(like no loss of GA points and less penalties on strenght of units);

Such a great suggestion!

About the UA:

I believe the UA you suggested would be a solid representation of the Carnaval, as it's a week-long, nation-wide party (let's think of it as the in-game Golden Age) when people completely forget about their problems and, among other things, get engaged in parades of strong cultural and religious character (hence the Golden Age bonus to Culture and Faith).

The second aspect of the UA (reduced penalties for Unhappiness) would not be useful for a Golden Age based civ. Civs like this would try and evict an Unhappiness situation at all costs. My suggestion: If you have +15 :c5happy:

but are in a 10-turn :c5goldenage:

, you'd normally "lose" 150 Golden Age points. Brazil could be able to retain these points - partially or integrally, I'm not good with game balance.

The good thing about your UA suggestion is that it doesn't rely on modern techs (like Mass Media, for soccer related UAs), so the civ wouldn't be nonviable until late-game.

Leader/Capital:

Dom Pedro II (1831-1889): The poor boy grew up to rule, he's the best choice for a leader, for sure (and he would fit like a glove in that Victorian Scenario), but Brasília would be odd as his Capital (Rio de Janeiro instead)
Getúlio Vargas (1930-1945; 1951-1954): A good choice as well; Rio de Janeiro as Capital.
Juscelino Kubitschek (1956-1961): I don't like him very much, but he founded Brasília, I'll give him that.

Music Theme:

I can't think of Villa-Lobos' "Trenzinho Caipira" as a war theme. Can't remember anything nice right now (perhaps Guarnieri's Abertura Festiva, idk)

GenjiKhan · Mar 19, 2012

Liex said:
Such a great suggestion!

About the UA:

I believe the UA you suggested would be a solid representation of the Carnaval, as it's a week-long, nation-wide party (let's think of it as the in-game Golden Age) when people completely forget about their problems and, among other things, get engaged in parades of strong cultural and religious character (hence the Golden Age bonus to Culture and Faith).

Actually,this culture/faith bonus during Golden age is not directly related to Brazilian Carnival . There were plenty of events that can justify these bonus,like the Rubber boom and the Brazil Gold Rush,which helps the cultural and religious development of many cities .

Liex said:
The second aspect of the UA (reduced penalties for Unhappiness) would not be useful for a Golden Age based civ. Civs like this would try and evict an Unhappiness situation at all costs. My suggestion: If you have +15 but are in a 10-turn , you'd normally "lose" 150 Golden Age points. Brazil could be able to retain these points - partially or integrally, I'm not good with game balance.

If my suggestion is still weak,your idea can be used to boost Brazil's UA a little . And the second aspect of my suggestion(reduced penalties for Unhapiness),can be pretty useful if you use REX strategy and decide to focus happiness later . And just like before,this UA is justify by the numerous and unsecussful revolts that happened in Brazilian Empire(the only exception here is the Cisplatina Revolt ) .

Liex said:
The good thing about your UA suggestion is that it doesn't rely on modern techs (like Mass Media, for soccer related UAs), so the civ wouldn't be nonviable until late-game.

Brazil is much more than football and Carnival . And I don't think a Stadium would fit for a Unique Building,because if so,it'd be completely useless .

Liex said:
Leader/Capital:

Dom Pedro II (1831-1889): The poor boy grew up to rule, he's the best choice for a leader, for sure (and he would fit like a glove in that Victorian Scenario), but Brasília would be odd as his Capital (Rio de Janeiro instead)

Even if Brasilia is so new,it's still the best choice for Capital . But,for the Victorian Scenario,Rio de Janeiro is better .

Liex said:
Music Theme:

I can't think of Villa-Lobos' "Trenzinho Caipira" as a war theme. Can't remember anything nice right now (perhaps Guarnieri's Abertura Festiva, idk)

A modified version of "Trenzinho Caipira" with something similar as a military march can be a pretty nice war theme,just like the awesome Ottoman's war theme .

Liex · Mar 20, 2012

GenjiKhan,

Yeah, that's why I loved the UA you suggested, you can "justify" it through several aspects of Brazilian culture/history (Minas Gold Rush, so true!). Most of the UAs proposed out there are related to things like living in a jungle, chopping forests down, bananas and other things that simply don't represent the country and its people, and whenever a truly important element is evoked (Biofuel, Soccer, among many others) it's always related to late-game techs and buildings, which isn't a good thing (gameplay-wise), as we agreed.

Also, I'd like to reiterate that Brasília wouldn't be a good capital if we are talking about Empire of Brazil, really (even considering José Bonifácio ideas). It's not only a republican symbol (with republican institutions and monuments), but it was idealized as a modern, even futuristic city. It highly contrasts with a monarchical, somewhat anachronic Brazil among the republican Americas. Rio would work wonders (as it did for 2 centuries IRL). Anyhow, it's just a name, and Civ isn't famous for being accurate in this capital city thing.

MARDUK80 · Mar 20, 2012

GenjiKhan said:
Since no one suggested Brazil before,I'll give a try .

Brazil
Leader: Pedro II "The Magnanimous"
Capital: Brasilia
Starting Bias: Plains/Hills
Music Theme: Bossa nova music for peace theme(there are plenty of options for this one) and "Trenzinho Caipira" by Villa lobos for a war theme .
Unique Unit: Independence Dragoons . Replace Lancers . Doesn't have defense penalties,unlike Lancers,which replaces,but it's weaker . Cost 220. Strength 20. Movement 4 . Requires Horses;
Unique Ability: Culture and Faith generation increased 50% during Golden Ages and less penalties for Unhapiness(like no loss of GA points and less penalties on strenght of units);

If you can come up with another unique component (unit, building, improvement) I will gladly add your idea to the OP. Perhaps some modern era unit or some exciting building?

ShahJahanII said:
I really like these ideas.
But explain why the tar kiln would give merchant points and naval experience?

"Tar kilns (Finnish: tervamiilu) are dry distillation ovens, historically used in Scandinavia for producing tar from wood. They were built close to the forest, from limestone or from more primitive holes in the ground. The bottom is sloped into an outlet hole, to allow the tar to pour out. The wood is split to dimensions of a finger and stacked densely, and finally covered tight with dirt and moss. If oxygen can enter, the wood might catch fire, and the production would be ruined. On top of this, a fire is stacked and lit. After a few hours, the tar starts to pour out, and continues to do so for a few days.

Tar was used as seal for roofing shingles and to seal the hulls of ships and boats. For millennia wood tar was used to waterproof sails and boats, but today sails made from inherently waterproof synthetic substances have negated the need for tar. Wood tar is still used to seal traditional wooden boats and the roofs of historical shingle-roofed churches, as well as painting exterior walls of log buildings. Tar is also a general disinfectant.

Its main use was in preserving wooden vessels against rot. The largest user was the Royal Navy. Demand for tar declined with the advent of iron and steel ships.

In Finland wood tar was once considered a panacea reputed to heal "even those cut in twain through their midriff". A Finnish proverb states that if sauna, vodka and tar won't help, the disease is fatal. Wood tar is used in traditional Finnish medicine because of its microbicidial properties."

My idea behind Tervamiilu UI was to represent Tars benefits for Naval units and add extra Gold to remind about its purpose as Finland greatest export product during Renaissance Era. If city has only one Tar Kiln build in its territory the naval unit experience bonus is next to nothing, but if city has several kilns build the bonus would be quite notable.

ShahJahanII said:
Also, for the Kalmar Union, to keep it from being too similar to Greece, how about:
50% more influence gained from quest and unit gifts. Mercantile and Maritime CS will occasionally gift you naval units.

Excellent idea! Thank you for the improvement advice. I will change the UA

I will also add your Chola idea along with Brazil when I update the OP next time.

MARDUK80 · Mar 20, 2012

Added two new Civ concept ideas from Gucumatz to the OP.

Chachapoya
Leader: Blas Valera
Capital: Chachapoyas
Starting Bias: Jungle/Hills/Mountains
Music Theme:
Unique Improvement: Peri Chullpas. May be built on mountains. Provides +2 Food, +2 science, +2 Production in Mountains. For every unit killed next to this tile the plot will provide +1 culture (maxes out at 4).
Unique Unit: Chachapoyan Macescout. Replaces Spearman. Starts with promotion (+40% Defensive bonus vs non-iron melee units) Loses Bonus vs Mounted units.
Unique Ability: People of the Clouds. Units may move through/onto Mountains. (Enemy units can not attack your units in Mountains. You may not attack enemy units with range from mountains, but you may attack with melee from mountains) Jungles provide + 1 production.
(Clarifications: Cities can not be built on mountains. Mountains comes with a base +1 production. Mountains only cost one movement point to cross through.)

Possible strategies with this ability: Station troops in mountains so they cant be overwhelmed in a rush. Mounted units/melee units can engage in hit and run defensive combat, hitting a unit and then retreating to the mountains. Chullpas add to hit and run strategy and promote it by trying to have units die die near mountains. Other strategies include moving troops into enemy territory in mountains. Acts as constant harrassing threat making your enemy want to take a more defensive stance. Any opponent who has you to deal with and mountains near or in their borders, may think twice about warring you.

Possible cities: Kuelap, Revash, Huancas, Purun Llacta, Yalape, Olan, Leymebamba, Chilchos, Gran Vilaya, Condors Lagoon, Congona, Jalca Grande, Macro, Yamon, Rentama, Iyacyecuj, Meseta, Chachapoyas, and not all cities are listed here (While I know some about their culture, I am still by no means an expert).

Seminole
Leader: Coeehajo
Capital: Wewoka
Starting Bias: Marsh/Jungle/River
Music Theme:
Unique Improvement: Chickee +3 food and +2 gold. Can only be constructed on Marsh or mangrove tiles. Note: Workers can only rebuild marshes on grassland/river tiles. Takes 10 turns to rebuild.
Unique Unit: Maroons. Replaces Crossbowman. +50% Defensive bonus in marshes, Unit may attack twice in marshes. When fortified on a tile, tile produces +1 gold and unit costs no maintenance. (360 production) Ranged Strength 10, (-2) Strength: 9 (+3). May Melee Attack
Unique Ability: People of the Swamps. Mangrove and Marsh tiles cost 1 movement point. There is a 25% chance that any enemy unit on a marsh or mangrove tile within your territory will defect to your empire. Workers can rebuild marshes.

Moved the Huns idea to the post 4 "Confirmed Expansion Pack Civs - Obsolete Ideas"

EDIT:

I added a couple links for the Seminoles concept ; Everglades (for the UA, though it would be a excellent new Natural Wonder also) and new Scenario idea: Seminole Wars .

I must say, the Seminoles would be a very exciting new native north American Civ. Definitely one of my favorites. There is just so many interesting American Indian Civs, like Apache, Sioux, Comanche, Seminole, Mississippi, Cherokee and Pueblo. Hopefully at least one them, eventually, gets officially (by Firaxis) added to the game!

GenjiKhan · Mar 20, 2012

Liex said:
GenjiKhan,
Also, I'd like to reiterate that Brasília wouldn't be a good capital if we are talking about Empire of Brazil, really (even considering José Bonifácio ideas). It's not only a republican symbol (with republican institutions and monuments), but it was idealized as a modern, even futuristic city. It highly contrasts with a monarchical, somewhat anachronic Brazil among the republican Americas. Rio would work wonders (as it did for 2 centuries IRL). Anyhow, it's just a name, and Civ isn't famous for being accurate in this capital city thing.

Unless it's possible to move your palace for another city,it'd be better that,in a normal gameplay,the first city's name is Brasilia,otherwise there will be more kids around there that'll confuse the Brazilian capital with the former capital of Rio de Janeiro . But for scenarios,the Brazil's capital would be Rio de Janeiro .

MARDUK80 said:
If you can come up with another unique component (unit, building, improvement) I will gladly add your idea to the OP. Perhaps some modern era unit or some exciting building?

Modern era UB is out of question,because there's nothing special about brazilian's football stadiums that justify the idea of a UB that replaces normal stadium . But for another UU,there are at least 2 options:

1º)Super tucano,which replaces Fighter and has a bonus against ground units,but it's more expensive to build;
2º)Jungle Infantry,which replaces Infantry and has a movement bonus on jungle tiles;

[EDIT] For UB,I change my mind and I'd say that "Sambodrome" can replace Opera house . It would provide +1 :c5happy:

and 2

bonus,since Carnival is a religious event . [EDIT]

Gucumatz · Mar 20, 2012

Great idea for a scenario Marduk!

But I think there could also be in theory a great scenario with several Native American civs and the U.S.

Something including the Cherokee, Seminole, Iroquois, Comanche, Sioux, the Mississipians (representing the Choctaw), Pueblo, Navajo, Hopi, Apache (Civs suggested here). Obviously not all of these but could make a nice U.S. based scenario maybe called:

Manifest Destiny - Do you choose to spread your civ from sea to shining sea and claim the continent for your people for time immemorial or will you work together with your neighbors and becoming the shining city on the hill?

Or a different name of course, but could make for a fun scenario (And since most players are U.S. based... the better)

MARDUK80 · Mar 21, 2012

GenjiKhan said:
1º)Super tucano,which replaces Fighter and has a bonus against ground units,but it's more expensive to build;

2º)Jungle Infantry,which replaces Infantry and has a movement bonus on jungle tiles;

[EDIT] For UB,I change my mind and I'd say that "Sambodrome" can replace Opera house . It would provide +1 and 2 bonus,since Carnival is a religious event . [EDIT]

Unique Air Unit would definitely be something different! So guess its up to you should it be two UUs or one UU and UB? Though there was interesting idea for Brazil concept over at the 2KForums, which gave an Biofuel plant UI:

Bandeirante with strength 15, not 16. Move 2. Gains a 20% combat strength bonus when fighting within 2 tiles of a luxury resource and has 50% chance of turning a killed Barbarian unit into a worker. This would also be a really cool UU. Perhaps best combo would be Bandeirante UU, Super tucano UU and the UA you suggested. Or Biofuel plant UI instead of Super Tucano, what do you think?

Radu said:
May I offer a suggestion as to Brazil?

UU: Bandeirante. Replaces Musketman. +1 Movement. 50% chance of turning a killed Barbarian unit into a worker. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandeirantes

Also, Carnaval is not a building. I think it would be more suited as a UA, such as: +1 Happiness for every city during peace time.

As for UB: Sambadrome. Replaces Stadium. Additional +3 Culture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambodromo

A possible UI: Biofuel plant. May be built (after discovery of Ecology) in Wheat, Sugar (and possibly Corn, if they include) resources. -1 Food, +3 Production. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biofuel
Could have other effects if they include pollution in the game.

Gucumatz said:
a great scenario with several Native American civs and the U.S.

Something including the Cherokee, Seminole, Iroquois, Comanche, Sioux, the Mississipians (representing the Choctaw), Pueblo, Navajo, Hopi, Apache (Civs suggested here). Obviously not all of these but could make a nice U.S. based scenario maybe called:

Manifest Destiny - Do you choose to spread your civ from sea to shining sea and claim the continent for your people for time immemorial or will you work together with your neighbors and becoming the shining city on the hill?

Excellent idea! I suggested American Indian scenario also sometime ago

Surely would be much fun and would give chance to play with such truly unique Civs like Seminiole (Swamps are cool

) and one of the Indian Civs could be added as playable Civ to the main game.

GenjiKhan · Mar 21, 2012

MARDUK80 said:
Unique Air Unit would definitely be something different! So guess its up to you should it be two UUs or one UU and UB? Though there was interesting idea for Brazil concept over at the 2KForums, which gave an Biofuel plant UI:

Bandeirante with strength 15, not 16. Move 2. Gains a 20% combat strength bonus when fighting within 2 tiles of a luxury resource and has 50% chance of turning a killed Barbarian unit into a worker. This would also be a really cool UU. Perhaps best combo would be Bandeirante UU, Super tucano UU and the UA you suggested. Or Biofuel plant UI instead of Super Tucano, what do you think?

Personally I don't like Bandeirantes,because their existence is during the time when Brazil was a Portugal's colony and the main ideia is to represent Brazil after independence . But,since they were restricted to Brazil territory,I'd say there's no problem . For me,it can be either Bandeirante UU and the Super Tucano UU or Independence Dragoons UU and Sambodrome UB .

MARDUK80 · Mar 22, 2012

But no for Biofuel plant UI - May be built (after discovery of Ecology) in Wheat, Sugar (and possibly Corn, if they include) resources. -1 Food, +3 Production ?

I'll add Brazil along with Chola later today or early tomorrow.

GenjiKhan · Mar 22, 2012

Basically,the main reason why I don't prefer Biofuel as an UI is because it comes too late in the game . If you see the UBs of each civilization,there isn't any UB/UI at Industrial/Modern era and there's only one civilization with a UB at renaissance era(Persian's Satrap) . That's the reason I don't mind with the choice of Sambodrome for UB,to replace Opera house . Perhaps the best choice is Bandeirantes for UU and Independence Dragoons for the second UU .

And the name of the Brazilian UA can be: "Ordem e Progresso" (Order and Progress) .

ShahJahanII · Mar 22, 2012

MARDUK80 said:
But no for Biofuel plant UI - May be built (after discovery of Ecology) in Wheat, Sugar (and possibly Corn, if they include) resources. -1 Food, +3 Production ?

I'll add Brazil along with Chola later today or early tomorrow.

Thanks!
May I suggest Carnatic Music as the Chola Theme?

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