Hippo8085
Shaken, not stirred
Shrines.
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- Thread starter Leoreth
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Well, I had to tell you several things that seemed obvious to me recently, so ...
What's next, are you telling me the English UP is useless if you want to play one city challenge? If you don't want to use a UP, it's useless. Duh.
I thought we've just been over the fact that I'm not obliged to respond to everything here? You're certainly not making it more likely by annoying me.
Civciv5
Grand Emperor
OK.
I will "wait and see".I will be patient.
And when the time is ripe,I will consult you again about this matter (if needed)...
strijder20
Wallowing in irony
Civ Civ, the UP is useful for contacting the Europeans ( however, the Khampa's ability to tresspass too makes this not that useful). But dont forget that it's also possible to make your rivals instable with it: especially in OR, where you can build missionaries without restriction. You're right that it has not much use when not going for the UHV, but you can always adjust your strategy and there are other UAs shich require a specific strategy: the HRoman, Dutch, Viking...
IIRC Sankore is in Vanilla Civ IV whereas Potala Palace is not and the Malinese are in Vanilla Civ IV whereas Tibetans aren't, therefore Sankore was guaranteed to make it into RFC and therefore DoC
Somewhere down the line could we get some more interesting, civ-specific missions please? (Getting back into EU3 
)
e.g. if the player is France, the year is atleast 1750 and the player has adopted the Egalatarianism civic (is that the right civic for rev. France?) then 50% chance the player gets the event 'expand the revolution!'
'Expand the revolution!'
At last France has emerged from our great revolution! - but it doesn't end there. We must spread our revolutionary ideologies to our neighbours through any means necessary.
Similarly, a Prussian/Italian player could get a 'Resist the revolution!' mission 50% or less of the time if an A.I. France has done the same.
Sorry if I've misunderstood the whole rev. France/Napoleon thing, but you get the idea and I think this would add masses of flavour to the game. Better than looking for a stupid 'holy mountain' or whatnot.
)e.g. if the player is France, the year is atleast 1750 and the player has adopted the Egalatarianism civic (is that the right civic for rev. France?) then 50% chance the player gets the event 'expand the revolution!'
'Expand the revolution!'
At last France has emerged from our great revolution! - but it doesn't end there. We must spread our revolutionary ideologies to our neighbours through any means necessary.
- Yes! We will conquer all in our path! Europe will be revalutionary!
[Player must conquer Holy Rome, Prussia and Italy. Gives stability and gold bonus.] - Of course! We will court our neighbours into adopting our revalutionary ideals.
[Player must make Holy Rome, Prussia and Italy adopt Egalatarianism. Provides a stability bonus alone.
Similarly, a Prussian/Italian player could get a 'Resist the revolution!' mission 50% or less of the time if an A.I. France has done the same.
Sorry if I've misunderstood the whole rev. France/Napoleon thing, but you get the idea and I think this would add masses of flavour to the game. Better than looking for a stupid 'holy mountain' or whatnot.
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"France has deposed its oppressive government for a democracy! What will you do?"
Circumstances: Must not have Republic or Egalitarianism, must know France.
Choice 1: Oppose the revolution! I rule by divine right, not by the people! (Declares war on France, both sides get troops, you get some money, potential war with those who chose Option 3)
Choice 2: Establish diplomacy with the new government, but keep an eye on them. (Nothing)
Choice 3: They have the right idea, the people deserve representation! (Government civic changes to Republic, Society civic to Egalitarianism, and Religion civic to Secularism, anarchy period, plus 4 with France "Past events have shown your goodwill", potential war with those who chose Choice 1)
Circumstances: Must not have Republic or Egalitarianism, must know France.
Choice 1: Oppose the revolution! I rule by divine right, not by the people! (Declares war on France, both sides get troops, you get some money, potential war with those who chose Option 3)
Choice 2: Establish diplomacy with the new government, but keep an eye on them. (Nothing)
Choice 3: They have the right idea, the people deserve representation! (Government civic changes to Republic, Society civic to Egalitarianism, and Religion civic to Secularism, anarchy period, plus 4 with France "Past events have shown your goodwill", potential war with those who chose Choice 1)
iOnlySignIn
Prince$s
^ French Revolution is a historic event that should be represented. But it should not be definitively limited to France, or even Europe IMO. Specifically, it should happen under the following condition:
(1) Initiator civ (historically France) switches from Dynasticism/Theocracy without Representation/Parliamentarism/Egalitarianism to Republic. The point of this is you can avoid triggering this event by going Dynasticism + Representation first (English Revolution), instead of going straight for Republic.
(2) Initiator civ has shared borders with at least 2 other civs who are running Dynasticsm/Theocracy, who also have the tech Liberalism. The point of this is to prevent AI China from triggering the event too often (as it usually does not have 2 neighbors advanced enough to have Liberalism when it switches to Republic).
(1) Initiator civ (historically France) switches from Dynasticism/Theocracy without Representation/Parliamentarism/Egalitarianism to Republic. The point of this is you can avoid triggering this event by going Dynasticism + Representation first (English Revolution), instead of going straight for Republic.
(2) Initiator civ has shared borders with at least 2 other civs who are running Dynasticsm/Theocracy, who also have the tech Liberalism. The point of this is to prevent AI China from triggering the event too often (as it usually does not have 2 neighbors advanced enough to have Liberalism when it switches to Republic).
Hippo8085
Shaken, not stirred
Should also expire after a certain year, though that may happen with the other civs.
Agreed - basically its really less to do with government or democracy than the rise of nationalism and people power. You got the French nationalists, but you also have the same within (Germany) and other countries all the way during the late 18th and for most of the 19th centuries. So yeah - be great to see this implemented for the civic changes mentioned above.
iOnlySignIn
Prince$s
Also, there should be more options offered, such as:
(1) Embrace the Revolution: Switch to Republic, and a choice among Representation, Egalitarianism, and Parliamentarianism.
(2) Counter the Revolution: self-explanatory.
(3) Reign of Terror: Switch to Nationhood and Egalitarianism.
The side effects of these choices can also be more than free troops/wars/stability bonuses, including but not limited to:
(A) Decreased
from loosing population for some turns.
(B) Loss of population and turns of disorder in your capital.
(C) Temporarily increased GP rate/free GPs, especially Generals and Spies.
(D) Decreased Stability penalty for Foreign Culture/cities under occupation.
(E) Possible Exile event if you counter the Revolution when your Approval rating is too low.
The possibilities are limitless.
Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons!
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(1) Embrace the Revolution: Switch to Republic, and a choice among Representation, Egalitarianism, and Parliamentarianism.
(2) Counter the Revolution: self-explanatory.
(3) Reign of Terror: Switch to Nationhood and Egalitarianism.
The side effects of these choices can also be more than free troops/wars/stability bonuses, including but not limited to:
(A) Decreased
from loosing population for some turns. (B) Loss of population and turns of disorder in your capital.
(C) Temporarily increased GP rate/free GPs, especially Generals and Spies.
(D) Decreased Stability penalty for Foreign Culture/cities under occupation.
(E) Possible Exile event if you counter the Revolution when your Approval rating is too low.
The possibilities are limitless.
Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons!
Link to video.
Locutus_Morti
Prince
If the Byzantines spawn, they should get one of two things:
1. A strong positive modifier, either for "Past Events" or "You granted our Independence!"
2. They should have a Permanent Alliance.
I can't recall any wars between the Byzantines and the Romans, because they were really just two halves of the same empire. It's quite annoying to see the Byzantines spawn as a faction hostile to Rome, simply because "Our close borders spark tensions." and "We are upset you have fallen under the sway of a heathen religion."
1. A strong positive modifier, either for "Past Events" or "You granted our Independence!"
2. They should have a Permanent Alliance.
I can't recall any wars between the Byzantines and the Romans, because they were really just two halves of the same empire. It's quite annoying to see the Byzantines spawn as a faction hostile to Rome, simply because "Our close borders spark tensions." and "We are upset you have fallen under the sway of a heathen religion."
Permanent Alliance is definitely too much. Both halves of the empire were quite happy to buy off and redirect barbarians to the other half, and the Eastern Empire didn't particularly care when the West fractured and declined.
Locutus_Morti
Prince
But how about a positive modifier? It's not like they were actively trying to destroy each other.
Locutus_Morti
Prince
That'd be nice. Thanks!
Of course man, I know you have ALOT on your agenda at the moment and that flavour assets are of second priority. K-Mod, Decolonization; you're spoiling us Leoreth
And while we're here:
'Industrial Revolution' event (event that happens when the first nation hits the industrial rev. and gives additional gold if enough factories are built) 'Colonial Uprising' event (event triggered when a nation has lots of extra-European colonies but a poor economy, resulting in a stability hit and slows growth of your extra-European cities if the player doesn't improve his situation) and a 'Rid Europe of the heathens!' event (triggered when at least five cities in Europe have a non-christian religion present, giving gold and happiness to the civ that conquers them.)
Just throwing some ideas out there, albeit a bit prematurely
strijder20
Wallowing in irony
I'd say the other way round: use gold to insta-build factories.
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