Capto Iugulum: 1920 - 1939

Blue Bacon 3 said:

To: Venezuela
From: India
Agreed, glad to do business with you.

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However, this year's budget has already been compromised to finish payments in other deals, mainly agreed by the previous government and of which the other art involved had fulfilled his part. So we shall be paying the money next year.

To: My Dearest Cousin Margareta

Cousin Margareta, I write you this letter out of concern about the way Brazil has been acting of late. I know we have not seen much of each other in either of our lives, but I know you are a member of the Scandinavian royal family, as am I. Right now, our family is facing a dire situation in Afrika, one which we hope (as a member of the family) you can sympathize with.

It is concerning to me, then, that Brazil has announced its recognition of the rebels harassing our relatives on the Dark Continent. I ask you to please talk with your husband, ask him to convince the Brazilian Parliament to see reason and denounce their support for the illegal bands which have risen up against our family.

If you love your family and its history, please do this simple favor for me.

Sincerely,

Your loving cousin, Sven

Bair_the_Normal said:

OOC: My precious Vy-24 is becoming so popular!

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Only because India is giving it away for nothing.

bestshot9 said:

To: My Dearest Cousin Margareta

Cousin Margareta, I write you this letter out of concern about the way Brazil has been acting of late. I know we have not seen much of each other in either of our lives, but I know you are a member of the Scandinavian royal family, as am I. Right now, our family is facing a dire situation in Afrika, one which we hope (as a member of the family) you can sympathize with.

It is concerning to me, then, that Brazil has announced its recognition of the rebels harassing our relatives on the Dark Continent. I ask you to please talk with your husband, ask him to convince the Brazilian Parliament to see reason and denounce their support for the illegal bands which have risen up against our family.

If you love your family and its history, please do this simple favor for me.

Sincerely,

Your loving cousin, Sven

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Dear Cousin Sven,

It is not my place or purpose to question my husband or his people. Indeed, I am quite beloved here by all and any acts against them would be most unfitting of my role. Your concern for our cousins in Afrika are noted, but are beyond reason. My sweetest Ave Canora would do no harm to royal blood. It would be a great honor to have you visit the family here in paradise, cousin. I invite you to stay a winter month in our palaces. The shows, the balls and even the moving pictures are so much brighter here than abroad. You would not be displeased.

With the most love and affection,

Etta.

Begging mercy for a small orders extension, because my Internet connection only just decided to start working about an hour ago.

Dear Margareta,

I understand being loyal to your husband and your adopted nation, I do not mean to imply you act in any way to undermine Brazil, but rather try to help the country see reason. Though I understand your sentiments and will respect them.

As much as I would love to travel abroad and visit my relatives in the New World, the transition into the role of Imperator takes up too much of my time. It would be a disservice to my new countrymen to take even a week off of my duties as Imperator to travel. Perhaps some time in the future I will embark on a trip to visit my cousins in Vinland and Brazil, but for the foreseeable future I will have to be content by keeping in contact through postal correspondence.

Wishing you happiness and health,

Your cousin, Sven.

The Wallace Administration, 1926

@bestshot- Technically, Margareta and Sven are 3rd cousins, not 1st cousins, but then again, you didn't explicitly state that. It's cool seeing the royals getting involved in the setting a bit more.

I could use a small orders extension myself. Been visiting my parents all week, away from the computer. Only a couple hours would be necessary.

To: Kongo, The Roman Empire, Russia
From: Italy

We would like to request permission to use your air strips to send aid through the air to help with your war.

@LordIggy - I know, but I figured they'd be in touch with one another because they're royals from the same familial line, and even though they're 3rd cousins, they'd still call each other cousin.

To: Italy
From: The Roman Empire

Sure.

No more order revisions will be allowed past this point. New orders will still be accepted.

Celebrating the Marriage of Kristina of Scandinavia and Markus of Vinland, and the healthy birth of their first daughter, Astrid.

JoanK said:

However, this year's budget has already been compromised to finish payments in other deals, mainly agreed by the previous government and of which the other art involved had fulfilled his part. So we shall be paying the money next year.

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Our orders are already beyond the fiscal deadline unfortunately, so we won't be able to make any adjustments this year, but we will be happy to fulfill our agreement next year.

Bair: Yeah, this turned out to be a very marketable fighter. I might have gone a little low on the price, but got a lot of interest from NPCs as a result (just had to collate a list of who needed it), it's paid for itself (next time I'll raise the profit a little more and see what happens).
Also, I really like the Transport Infrastructure Development Project.

Lord_Iggy said:

Celebrating the Marriage of Kristina of Scandinavia and Markus of Vinland, and the healthy birth of their first daughter, Astrid.

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1. I was unaware that Hugh Laurie was a member of the House of Gyllensvard.

2.

EDIT: Isn't marrying a member of Vasa into Gyllensvard technically incest removed by several generations?

OOC: At this point, pretty much all royal marriages are incest

Nailix said:

To: Kongo, The Roman Empire, Russia
From: Italy

We would like to request permission to use your air strips to send aid through the air to help with your war.

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To Italy
From Russia
Our bases are your bases. We welcome your aid in this struggle to keep civilization alive in Africa.

momo1000 said:

OOC: At this point, pretty much all royal marriages are incest

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OOC: The only way this NES is like RL lol

How big can bombers get before they stop fitting on our early carriers?

To: The Kongo
From: The Netherlands
CC: Hollandia

These rebellions and their proximity to our Dominion of Hollandia are most troublesome, we hope that you put these unruly natives down before they spread. Natives with guns are never good. Should you need any aid in doing so feel free in contacting us.

Lord of Elves said:

1. I was unaware that Hugh Laurie was a member of the House of Gyllensvard.

2.

Spoiler :

EDIT: Isn't marrying a member of Vasa into Gyllensvard technically incest removed by several generations?

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Well, it's not actually Hugh Laurie, although I do notice the similarity (Lucky also said 'Doctor House' in #nes). The picture I use for Markus is that of a real life Scandinavian royal. I'm afraid I can't see the second picture, but searching the address leads me to the fanpop website of Rashida jones, and I can absolutely assure you that Kristina's portrait is not her.

And yes, it is inbreeding, but not to a significant degree. To get measurable damage, you either need to have generations upon generations of first-cousin marriage, or brother-sister incest. Markus and Kristina are are second cousins one generation removed- Markus has one set of great grandparents who are the same people as one Kristina's great great grandparents, Gustav IV Adolph and Margareta of Sweden. In either case, their most recent common ancestor was born in the 18th century. So while they have one single set of great grandparents/great great grandparents in common, they also have 3 and 7 sets respectively that are unrelated. Keep in mind that relatedness drops off exponentially as you get more and more steps away from each other.

Genetically speaking, you will receive 1/2 of your genetics from a parent, 1/4 from a grandparent, 1/8 from a great grandparent and 1/16 from a great great grandparent.

Reaching back into my memory of second year genetics, this gives second cousins once removed a coefficient of relatedness of 1/128, or 0.78125%. Compare this to a clone (100%), a parent or sibling (50%), a grandparent (25%), or first cousins (12.5%). We can take from this that Kristina and Markus aren't a great deal more related than any two random Vinlanders.

As a general rule of thumb, second cousins and beyond are pretty much as safe as complete unrelatedness, and even cousin marriages aren't (genetically speaking) terribly bad things, unless you stack up cousin marriages upon cousin marriages for several generations, like what happened with Charles II of Spain (although he also had a whole range of incestuous stuff going on, like uncle marriages, nested double cousin marriages, and a whole other assortment of screwed-up stuff intended to keep power locked within the Habsburg family).



Anyway, the long and short of it is that yes, they are related, but the relationship is distant enough so as to make actual genetic similarity negligible.

momo1000 said:

OOC: At this point, pretty much all royal marriages are incest

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Depends a bit on the branch, but yes, inbreeding is common in many situations. Royalty is a prominent one, as are small isolated villages and underpopulated islands. Other cases of truly over the top inbreeding have really resulted in serious medical issues.

I imagine that Markus and Kristina took all of this into consideration when the question of marriage popped up.

@Iggy, it was a picture of the baby shower from The Office, for the newborn Astrid -- "Astird".