Brave New World's 9 new Civs
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Inhalaattori
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Ashanti Empire is a good bet because of the trade theme of the expansion. Much bigger, richer, more advanced and more influential than Zulu kingdom for example.
Zulus and Sioux are examples of people that are famous only because they fought against Anglo-Saxon Empires and had some success (England, US). They really were not important in any real sense of the world. There are dozens of more important kingdoms in Africa than the Zulus.
Zulus and Sioux are examples of people that are famous only because they fought against Anglo-Saxon Empires and had some success (England, US). They really were not important in any real sense of the world. There are dozens of more important kingdoms in Africa than the Zulus.
Stonecutter9
Rex Michiganensis
The way I see it, each region has prob 2 slots to be filled, for a total of 9 new civs. Of course, at least one region will have 1, not 2 slots, and one may even have 3 at the expense of the others. I think Poland does count toward Europe's total. Certainly there will be no more expansions for Civ5, so this is the final say.
Americas:
~The Sioux
~The Comanche
~The Inuit
~Brazil
Europe:
~Poland
~Portugal
~Holy Rome
~Belgium
~Italy (as opposed to Venice or, god forbid, the PAPAL STATES
)Africa:
~The Zulu
~The Kongo
Middle East:
~Sumer
~Assyria
~The Hittites
Asia-Pacific:
~The Khmer
~Majpahit
~Tibet
The Inuit are a long shot, but the possibility of a snow civ is so awesomely unique I can't help but add it
. Belgium I only include on the slim chance they want it for the SfA (Scramble for Africa) scenario. Italy I prefer, but it is actually very recent and there is also the conflict with Rome. The Khmer are very similar to Siam but I always preferred them because they built Angkor Wat/Thom. Tibet is another long shot but could be an amazing faith civ. Majpahit I've never seen outside of CivFanatics but it looks legit enough to be included and I actually find myself relishing the idea. As a last thought, is there any real possibility of an Australian Aboriginal civ, or a modern Australian civ?
They're obviously going to include 1 or 2 more European civs, because of the whole "Scramble for Africa" scenario and the focus on culture.
1. Poland
2. Assyria
As for the rest:
3. Portugal - This seems a likely choice, because they were an influential European and colonial power, with a presence in Africa (Angola, Mozambique) and South America. Lisbon is already a city state, but that wouldn't deter them from putting it in.
4. Zulu - Another likely choice, since Shaka is a Civ staple and a favorite amongst fans. Plus, the game is lacking in African civilizations, and this would be the most popular option, since we have nothing in the southern part of the continent.
5. Belgium - Another likely contender, especially because of their not-so-positive legacy in the Congo and their controversial involvement in the scramble for Africa. It's the only other major European power (except for Italy) that has yet to be included.
6. Brazil - Not too sure on this one, because it's a fairly young country. I know America was included, but America has had (no offense to the Brazilians) a pretty big impact on the world in its short existence. But it is the foremost power in Latin America, so I could see it being a possible option.
7. Venice - Not really an empire, but definitely more influential than the likes of say, Polynesia, so that's an option. They could include places like Dubrovnik and Ragusa as secondary cities. I put this one as a more probably option than Italy, because this expansion seems to be focusing a lot on culture and trade routes, both of which the Venetian Republic was very famous for.
8. Indonesia/Majapahit - More Asian powers are needed, and Indonesia is a big one that has never been included. Again, a very new country, but if they included the Siamese empire, why not?
9. Sumeria - A very old empire and possible contender, since they were included in Civ 4. The Middle East has a lot of empires that were not explored.
Other possible options:
The Maghreb or the Moors - Maybe too similar to the Arab empire, but still, a possible option for Africa, although Cordoba and Granada are already taken by the Spanish empire. Plus, Isabella's screen is pretty Moorish in appearance already and may be too confusing
Italy - I don't know how they'd get this to work with Rome, since the city names are very similar. Rome is the most influential city in Italy and in the Roman Empire, so they'd maybe have to call it "Roma" or something. But then they'd have to do things like Milano, Firenze and Venezia as well.
Congo - Not too informed on their history and whether or not they'd be too similar to the Zulu, but they're another option as an African civ. Having both them and Belgium included could be interesting.
Mexico - Again, a new country and Spain, the Aztecs and the Mayans, all of whom made Mexico, are included. Maybe it would be too much. But if Brazil is an option, so is Mexico.
The Mughal Empire - India is already included, but that one seems to be more culturally similar to the British Raj than the Mughal Empire. Again, the overlapping of city names would be an issue.
Khmer Empire - Maybe too similar to the Siamese empire?
Holy Roman Empire - I don't think this one was too popular with people in Civ 4, because it was too similar to Germany.
1. Poland
2. Assyria
As for the rest:
3. Portugal - This seems a likely choice, because they were an influential European and colonial power, with a presence in Africa (Angola, Mozambique) and South America. Lisbon is already a city state, but that wouldn't deter them from putting it in.
4. Zulu - Another likely choice, since Shaka is a Civ staple and a favorite amongst fans. Plus, the game is lacking in African civilizations, and this would be the most popular option, since we have nothing in the southern part of the continent.
5. Belgium - Another likely contender, especially because of their not-so-positive legacy in the Congo and their controversial involvement in the scramble for Africa. It's the only other major European power (except for Italy) that has yet to be included.
6. Brazil - Not too sure on this one, because it's a fairly young country. I know America was included, but America has had (no offense to the Brazilians) a pretty big impact on the world in its short existence. But it is the foremost power in Latin America, so I could see it being a possible option.
7. Venice - Not really an empire, but definitely more influential than the likes of say, Polynesia, so that's an option. They could include places like Dubrovnik and Ragusa as secondary cities. I put this one as a more probably option than Italy, because this expansion seems to be focusing a lot on culture and trade routes, both of which the Venetian Republic was very famous for.
8. Indonesia/Majapahit - More Asian powers are needed, and Indonesia is a big one that has never been included. Again, a very new country, but if they included the Siamese empire, why not?
9. Sumeria - A very old empire and possible contender, since they were included in Civ 4. The Middle East has a lot of empires that were not explored.
Other possible options:
The Maghreb or the Moors - Maybe too similar to the Arab empire, but still, a possible option for Africa, although Cordoba and Granada are already taken by the Spanish empire. Plus, Isabella's screen is pretty Moorish in appearance already and may be too confusing
Italy - I don't know how they'd get this to work with Rome, since the city names are very similar. Rome is the most influential city in Italy and in the Roman Empire, so they'd maybe have to call it "Roma" or something. But then they'd have to do things like Milano, Firenze and Venezia as well.
Congo - Not too informed on their history and whether or not they'd be too similar to the Zulu, but they're another option as an African civ. Having both them and Belgium included could be interesting.
Mexico - Again, a new country and Spain, the Aztecs and the Mayans, all of whom made Mexico, are included. Maybe it would be too much. But if Brazil is an option, so is Mexico.
The Mughal Empire - India is already included, but that one seems to be more culturally similar to the British Raj than the Mughal Empire. Again, the overlapping of city names would be an issue.
Khmer Empire - Maybe too similar to the Siamese empire?
Holy Roman Empire - I don't think this one was too popular with people in Civ 4, because it was too similar to Germany.
Veras
Prince
Actually, the question of the Kongo was more relevant inside the scenario of the Scramble. The Berlin Conference was called by Portugal to settle the situation, which puts Portugal and Kongo as strong candidates for this expantion.
Inhalaattori
Emperor
There really is no reason to add the Zulu over Ashanti. Ashanti Empire had 10 times more people and its land area was 10 times bigger than the Zulu kingdoms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashanti_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulu_Kingdom
Which one deserves it more? Which one makes more sense?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashanti_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulu_Kingdom
Which one deserves it more? Which one makes more sense?
Stonecutter9
Rex Michiganensis
You're right, save for the Zulu tradition in Civ. There could be room for both, maybe Kongo as well.
anandus
Errorist
In the context of this being the fifth iteration of Civilization and the Zulu were in the other four I'd say Zulu. The same goes for the Sioux.
In the context of world history importance I'd say Ashanti.
I don't care. Shaka is awesome. Zulu forever!
I'm confused why everyone says that, the city list for Rome is as follows:
Spoiler :
The only cities that would cause problems are Rome, Ravenna and Verona.
These cities could be dealt with by having them be removed from Italy's city list if Rome is active. They're already doing it with Honolulu for the US. Florence makes the most sense as a capital for Renaissance Italy anyway.
So you'd have:
Spoiler :
then pull more from this list (there are 149 in total, surely it'll be enough, Rome only has 56 cities in its list): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Italy
Stonecutter9
Rex Michiganensis
I still think Holy Rome should be in the expansion, even though may say it's too similar to Germany. This is not true. Holy Rome was an empire long before the nation of Germany was even conceived of, and the Holy Roman emperor was one of the most powerful people in Europe at the empire's height. Of course, Germany's Landsknecht UU would have to be overhauled, but Charlemagne deserves another chance! 
Why is everybody so sold on Belgium as a new standalone civ? They really have nothing going for them other than the king's involvement in the genocides of the Congo. They never had a major european or colonial empire for any significant period of time.
Also, more eurocentrism would just be obnoxious.
Also, more eurocentrism would just be obnoxious.
turingmachine
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And there's really no reason to add the Ashanti over Zimbabwe, Benin or especially Kongo. Zulu aren't the most deserving but neither are the Ashanti. If there's only spot to give it should really go to Kongo.
anandus
Errorist
Who is everybody? I mostly see it mentioned for the Scramble-scenario.
On this prediction list,I'd replace Indonesia with Majapahit . Beyond that,such prediction is equal to mine .
strijder20
Wallowing in irony
Because Belgium rocks.
*Cough cough*
Seriously, if we have done anything remarkable in history, then it is creating a liberal state before most other countries and thus kind of setting and example, not the exploitation of Congo. But considering there is a scramble for Africa scenario, we'll definitely need some kind of representation of Belgium. Depending on the time period, a modded Netherlands would do though.
SnowKomodo
Deity
I always just assume when someone says Indonesia that they are including variations of it as well
It's not the other cities, it's the capital. With the Ottomans and the Byzantines, you could split it up between Istanbul and Constantinople, but not so with the Italians and Romans. It would be weird to have two Romes, and, like I said, if you changed it to Roma you'd have to add the Italian variations of each city.
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