Cheezy the Wiz
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As far we Marylanders are concerned, everything both east of Scranton and north of Trenton is in New England.
Did Stalin's leadership do more good or harm for his country during the Eastern Front
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ReindeerThistle
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Cheezy the Wiz said:
I can relate. I'm from Ohio. People think we're "The Midwest" but we're in the Eastern time zone.
Traitorfish
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New England is everything North of the Mason-Dixon. Everything South of that is Alabama. Everything between the Appalachians and the Mississippi is Iowa, and everything West of the that is California. This is basic geography, people.
innonimatu
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People associate it with the 1970s visual, no curves, all all full of square angles. But originally it was indded only about using raw concrete. This is one of Le Corbousier's early works:
Brutalism was also about exposing the structure for aesthetic purposes, so we could even classify some of the works by architects like Oscar Niemeyer or Santiago Calatrava as brutalist if we wanted.
ReindeerThistle
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Traitorfish said:
Yes, the world no longer looks East and West, it looks North and South. In the US it's Red (Republican) state v. Blue (Democrat) state -- they are really two wings of the same party. However, everywhere I organize, it's a "Red" state! At least when I'm done.
Why is it still called "The UK," anyway across the pond? It's really five nations, right?
I must invoke Stalin's "Marxism and the National Question," here. We are still talking about Stalin's leadership on the Eastern Front, n'est pas?
Traitorfish
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Between four and nine, depending on who you ask. Possibly as many as fourteen.
Traitorfish
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Oh, it was Soviet state policy that there was just two: Ireland and Great Britain, hence the existence of the CPI and the CPGB, but no CPW, CPS, etc, etc. (That goes back to Lenin, as well; there were attempts to set up Scottish and Welsh parties in the early '20s, but they obliged by Comintern to merge into the British party.)
ReindeerThistle
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Traitorfish said:
That's not surprising. Comintern got many things wrong. However, the English monarchs kinda effed up the idea of a nation having an historic geographic association, since they moved people around. Is there a Scottish Party now?
Are you by any chance a Ewan Macoll fan? My group sings his Ballad of a Carpenter every year at Christmas, it's a show-stopper. He was also a red.
Traitorfish
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There's a nominal "Communist Party of Scotland" which was one of the splinters to come out of the old CPGB, although in practice they're a grouping within the Scottish Socialist Party rather than an organisation in their own right.
I'm vaguely aware of his stuff, but not much beyond that, I'm afraid.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
I am. He invades my Pandora station from time to time; only recently did I find out about his political leanings.
ReindeerThistle
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Cheezy the Wiz said:
His widow did some volunteer work with us. Check out "Parsely, Sage and Politics" cd sometime. There is a hilarious "It's all happening now" sketch about "poor jack."
sophie
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Man...you guys had a whole conversation on Soviet art and I missed the whole damned thing?!? 
I'll just leave these here and dejectedly walk away
I'll just leave these here and dejectedly walk away
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ParkCungHee
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England, Wales, Cornwall, Ulster, Scotland (high and low?), Orkney...Northumberland?
I got stuck at 9.
sophie
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Isle of Mann? Maybe dividing Wales into Powys and Gwynedd and Gwent/Dyfed? London? Kent?
...Hwicce?
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Traitorfish
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I was going for England, Wales, Cornwall, Ulster, Eire, Scotland, Orkney, Shetland and Mann as the "sensible" nations. The other five are Jersey, Guernsey, Northumbria, Mercia, and Wessex, listed here in order of silliness.
Mann, Jersey and Guernsey aren't strictly part of the UK (it's a weird independent-but-not-sovereign set-up), but I was just talking about the British Isles as a whole.
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So I think you can kick it up to 15 if you split Scotland into two like that.
Domen
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Was it already mentioned in this thread that Stalin was the guy responsible for the Soviet defeat in the battle of Warsaw of 1920 - and thus in the entire Polish-Soviet war? Stalin in 1920 was head of the Revolutionary War Council of the South-Western Front - and de facto he was in charge of this Front.
The South-Western Front was not the one which fought in the battle of Warsaw - it was attacking on the direction Lviv - Cracow.
However, on 13 August 1920 Commander in Chief of the Red Army - Sergey Kamenev - issued an order No 4774/op/1052, in which he ordered the South-Western Front to support the weak and exposed southernmost flank of the Western Front - which was protected only by the Mozyr Group (under Tikhon Khvesin), operating south of the 16th Army of this Front.
According to this order the South-Western Front should have advanced with its two northernmost armies - 12th Army and 1st Cavalry Army (Semyon Budyonny) - in north-western direction, in order to support the Mozyr Group against a possible Polish attack. He also ordered sending reinforcements to the Western Front, in order to capture Warsaw as fast as possible.
Stalin, however, refused to carry out this order and substantiated his refusal in a telegram No 13820 sent to Kamenev on 14 August.
As the result of Stalin's refusal, northern wing could not help the Mozyr Group until 20 August 1920, when the Soviet unsuccessful assaults of Lviv were halted and the 1st Cavalry Army was finally sent towards Zamosc in order to help the Western Front.
But on 20 August, the Western Front - and especially the overextended Mozyr Group on its southern flank - was already in tatters (the Polish counteroffensive started on 13 August and by 25 August the Western Front was completely annihilated). Moreover - the 1st Cavalry Army, unsupported by the 12th Army, was nevertheless defeated in combats near Zamosc by 29 August.
On 1 September Joseph Stalin's "request for his discharge from military service" was accepted by the Politburo.
The South-Western Front was not the one which fought in the battle of Warsaw - it was attacking on the direction Lviv - Cracow.
However, on 13 August 1920 Commander in Chief of the Red Army - Sergey Kamenev - issued an order No 4774/op/1052, in which he ordered the South-Western Front to support the weak and exposed southernmost flank of the Western Front - which was protected only by the Mozyr Group (under Tikhon Khvesin), operating south of the 16th Army of this Front.
According to this order the South-Western Front should have advanced with its two northernmost armies - 12th Army and 1st Cavalry Army (Semyon Budyonny) - in north-western direction, in order to support the Mozyr Group against a possible Polish attack. He also ordered sending reinforcements to the Western Front, in order to capture Warsaw as fast as possible.
Stalin, however, refused to carry out this order and substantiated his refusal in a telegram No 13820 sent to Kamenev on 14 August.
As the result of Stalin's refusal, northern wing could not help the Mozyr Group until 20 August 1920, when the Soviet unsuccessful assaults of Lviv were halted and the 1st Cavalry Army was finally sent towards Zamosc in order to help the Western Front.
But on 20 August, the Western Front - and especially the overextended Mozyr Group on its southern flank - was already in tatters (the Polish counteroffensive started on 13 August and by 25 August the Western Front was completely annihilated). Moreover - the 1st Cavalry Army, unsupported by the 12th Army, was nevertheless defeated in combats near Zamosc by 29 August.
On 1 September Joseph Stalin's "request for his discharge from military service" was accepted by the Politburo.
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