Riedquat
Prince
Legato Endless was blocked the last two nights for different blockers, there is no way for him to be a shooter, the blocks are more relevant not less.
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Legato Endless was blocked the last two nights for different blockers, there is no way for him to be a shooter, the blocks are more relevant not less.
spaceman98
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hmm... unvote: vote: johannak seems to be a better case than Legato Endlessly Blocked. Hopefully Legato posts his thoughts or gets WOGed soon
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
The hell? Why? I told ya. I've been telling you for bleeping days.
Riedquat
Prince
That's true... you've been repeating the same story without any holes on it. Only thing we have is lack of comparable data on you, we have nothing apart of your claim.
I think we blocked an active shooter on Night 4 when Caelian got blocked and we had no kills nor attempts, night 5 he was blocked again and zack was shot, there could be two shooters alternating actions at whim, but the fact remains, no shooter on night 4... the last two nights caelian wasn't blocked and we had two kill attempts by someone firing a gun.
Add to that his refusal to give away his self admitted faulty results, I think he is far a better option than you johannak.
Unvote; vote: Caelian
I'm going to go along with a Caelian vote.
Caelian has been far too defensive given the realities here, and unless he has been doing some serious back channel talking I think it is time for him to go.
Regarding JohannaK, I see three possibilities:
- He is as he says he is - a townie with a Yakuza investigative role
- He is a member of a competing scum team with a Yakuza investigative role
- He is actually a Yakuza himself and therefore doesn't need a Yakuza scan to know the results. Pros in favor of this theory are that all we have is his word and that we have never seen official confirmation that the Yakuza were wiped out - just JK saying so. Cons are that we know (I think) that there was a Mafyia scanner that was town and it makes sense that there would also be a town Yakuza scanner to balance that.
Either way we need to keep an eye on him and maybe block or scan/watch him if that ability still exists.
Caelian has been far too defensive given the realities here, and unless he has been doing some serious back channel talking I think it is time for him to go.
Regarding JohannaK, I see three possibilities:
- He is as he says he is - a townie with a Yakuza investigative role
- He is a member of a competing scum team with a Yakuza investigative role
- He is actually a Yakuza himself and therefore doesn't need a Yakuza scan to know the results. Pros in favor of this theory are that all we have is his word and that we have never seen official confirmation that the Yakuza were wiped out - just JK saying so. Cons are that we know (I think) that there was a Mafyia scanner that was town and it makes sense that there would also be a town Yakuza scanner to balance that.
Either way we need to keep an eye on him and maybe block or scan/watch him if that ability still exists.
Sprig
めんどくさい
Has he? It seems to me that he has told his story once and then refused to elaborate any further, only referring back to original claim. That speaks to me of fear of contradicting himself rather than fortitude.
The other thing that bugs me, is that he a was the only one to say his role confirms the presence of ninja. (before IF revealed himself) Yet claims his ability was only against Yakuza...
It doesn't add up.
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I am pretty busy atm so not sure if I will be back online to add further. I will say that either Snerk or Caelien are resonable alternatives from my point of view.
Also if JohannaK is town then our enemies are either able to avoid being watched/tracked and roleblocked or one or some of our roleblockers/watchers/trackers are lying.
Sprig
めんどくさい
(I also pm'ed Legato on another forum and havn;t heard from him. he has been inactive there as well.)
Snerk has also popped into the back of my mind as an alternative as well, but I can't quite articulate it other than to say it is a hunch.
Riedquat
Prince
Oh I agree on that, his claim is a double edged weapon but compared with caelian's claim, the later has more holes in my opinion. Also, johannak revealed himself publicly if that says something.
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
Thank you Riedquat. In the first days I gave very little information because in the forst dqys pne should be cautious not to play into your enemies' hands. Then, when the yakuza were done with, I fully disclosed my role to back up my claim. But my claims have been consistent.
Anyway, comsistent with my previous voting reasoning, unvote; vote: Caelian.
Anyway, comsistent with my previous voting reasoning, unvote; vote: Caelian.
spaceman98
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Per this, I will keep my vote on JohannaK for now, but fos:Caelian post your results in thread already or I will have to vote for you. Your already outed as a (faulty) scanner, you have nothing to lose from making your info (or lack of thereof) public, and if you are pro-town, we might be able to extract a pattern from it after all.
spaceman98
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Your reasoning amounts to "hang literally anyone except me!" How pro-town
JohannaK
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Yes. So? Nobody should want to be lynched. I think it is perfectly reasonable to vote according to that.
Right now, though, I think there is something that intrigues me. I will reread part of the thread to see if its something or just a false alarm.
Right now, though, I think there is something that intrigues me. I will reread part of the thread to see if its something or just a false alarm.
Riedquat
Prince
Don't thank me, to be honest I'm suspicious of you since the kill of edse, if caelian turn out to be scum you won't be out the hook yet.
I do agree!
KingMorgan
Deity
Tally.
Legato Endless (1)- Snerk
JohannaK (2) - Sprig, Spaceman
Caelian - (4) Riedquat, Bsmith, JohannaK, Remeake20
Not Voting (5)
Verarade, KingMorgan, Johnhugthom, Caelian, TFT
Legato Endless (1)- Snerk
JohannaK (2) - Sprig, Spaceman
Caelian - (4) Riedquat, Bsmith, JohannaK, Remeake20
Not Voting (5)
Verarade, KingMorgan, Johnhugthom, Caelian, TFT
Verarde
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I <3 BSmith.
Caelian.
Caelian.
johnhughthom
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Caelian
Well I'm less busy now, sorry all for disappearing for a while there.
Results are
Kennigit, yakuza
BSMith, not yakuza
choxorn, yakuza
KingMorgan, blocked
JohannaK, blocked
Sprig, not yakuza
JohannaK, yakuza
Yes that means I am the same role Johanna claimed, my thinking after I saw that claim (given the choxorn result) was that I was an unreliable counterpart.
I was refusing to give the results for two reasons. First I figured if someone is messing with my results rather than me being an unreliable scanner than most likely it was scum ("disguising" sounds like a scum role to me at least) so revealing everything was more likely to give potentially useful information to scum than town. More importantly I was hoping to draw fire from scum by making them wonder if I was lying about being unreliable. Not exactly the most awe-inspiringly brilliant idea ever, but I figured my death might be useful in keeping useful people alive.
Other than alternating between yakuza and not yakuza (which I find amusing) I don't see much there, so make of it what you will.
Results are
Kennigit, yakuza
BSMith, not yakuza
choxorn, yakuza
KingMorgan, blocked
JohannaK, blocked
Sprig, not yakuza
JohannaK, yakuza
Yes that means I am the same role Johanna claimed, my thinking after I saw that claim (given the choxorn result) was that I was an unreliable counterpart.
I was refusing to give the results for two reasons. First I figured if someone is messing with my results rather than me being an unreliable scanner than most likely it was scum ("disguising" sounds like a scum role to me at least) so revealing everything was more likely to give potentially useful information to scum than town. More importantly I was hoping to draw fire from scum by making them wonder if I was lying about being unreliable. Not exactly the most awe-inspiringly brilliant idea ever, but I figured my death might be useful in keeping useful people alive.
Other than alternating between yakuza and not yakuza (which I find amusing) I don't see much there, so make of it what you will.
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
Okay, my first reaction is WHAAAAAAT???
I mean I know its just my word, but I am most definitely not yakuza. I am willing to believe those are the actual results and that you arent making mine up, because why would you make up the choxorn result? But you are most definitely wrong.
And if someone had bothered watching me for the past two nights, I have done nothing absolutely. At least we coincide in the BSmith result. By the way, I got KingMorgan as not Yakuza. I wonder what you'd get. I also scanned Sprig, but it was on the day he died, so it was useless.
I mean I know its just my word, but I am most definitely not yakuza. I am willing to believe those are the actual results and that you arent making mine up, because why would you make up the choxorn result? But you are most definitely wrong.
And if someone had bothered watching me for the past two nights, I have done nothing absolutely. At least we coincide in the BSmith result. By the way, I got KingMorgan as not Yakuza. I wonder what you'd get. I also scanned Sprig, but it was on the day he died, so it was useless.
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