G-Major 137

Qactus said:
In my game noone built the Oracle, so I gave it a shot and now I find myself in a position to 6->3 pop whip it in BC 1740 after having adopted organized religion.
I never really believed in it, so I already teched half of Currency myself. So what tech should I choose instead?
Metal Casting would be a good choice since I'm IND, but Theology is considerably more expensive and maybe the better trade-bait? Code of Laws is out of the question, because Mansa will have that within 2 turns.

Tech situation:
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With CoL only 2 turns away, couldn't you wait and get Civil Service free?
Or can you see someone is building Oracle soon?

Otherwise, MC is a fine choice.
 
Well, Priesthood has been around for some time now. Several AIs have had it for ~20 turns. Two of them have access to marble.
It would be a gamble, plus I'm not really sure I can get CoL from Mansa before Currency (i.e. for IW and Maths). Is there a way to calculate this, I mean is the conversion rate between their beakers and my beakers always the same?
 
You could also whip the Oracle now and remove it from the queue.
That way you at least get ~500 gold if you fail on Oracle.
But if you don't need the gold, maybe just gamble. Whipping world wonders is not ideal.
 
Thanks! What I did was gamble for two turns putting beakers into CoL. When I saw Mansa wouldn't trade it for IW+Maths I put in another turn. Next turn he didn't need Maths anymore because he had given CoL away to Hatty for just Maths :crazyeye:
That's when I cracked the whip and took Metal Casting. At least I tried!
 
Sometimes i dont understand this game, guy is friendly with me, pleased with my vassals and he dont want to trade.
 
yyeah said:
Sometimes i dont understand this game, guy is friendly with me, pleased with my vassals and he dont want to trade.
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Mouse over what you want to trade for and a clue will pop up. Is he building the wonder that tech opens up?
 
I switched in to hes religion, switch my vassal in to hes religion becouse he was cautious with him and all for nothing .
 
I would have thought being friendly regardless of your vassals would be good enough. I would have thought the negative diplo would be all you get. PA is another story. I am sure someone more knowledgable will clarify.
 
When you got Vassals, you get shared diplomatic stance.
 
Yea i know, but in some games when i had vassals and guy was pleased with them and friendly with me hes trading everything. In this game he dont want to.
This doesnt makes any sense.
 
I asked someone to shed light on that in the S&T forum recently, because the way how I expected it to work prooved wrong. I thought that one would simply always get the lowest stance, but that isn't the case either. It doesn't seem to be something between oneself and the Vassals necessarily either, as I had a situation where the AI was friendly to me and pleased to both of my Vassals, still it didn't vassal though it usually vassals at pleased or lower.

No answer 'til now unfortunately. Maybe WastinTime or somebody else wants to dive in the code when they get the chance and enlighten us.
 
It's the average, rounded down.
Friendly + Pleased = Pleased.
Friendly + Cautious = Pleased
Friendly + Pleased + Annoyed = Cautious
etc.
(That is, take Furious = 0, Annoyed = 1, Cautious = 2, Pleased = 3, Friendly = 4. Add up their attitude toward you and divide by number of vassals + 1)
 
But how come that I wasn't able to vassal HC while he was friendly to me and pleased to both of my Vassals? His answer was "we just don't like you enough" .
 
Seraiel said:
But how come that I wasn't able to vassal HC while he was friendly to me and pleased to both of my Vassals? His answer was "we just don't like you enough" .
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I've dug a bit deeper...
For tech trades, what I wrote was true.

For vassal trades, their attitude to you (which gets a small bonus if they have strong neighbours) must be good enough, but doesn't take vassals into account.
However, if you're at war, they also have to be willing to declare war (Friendly for HC), and that calculation does include vassals, just like techs.
 
Great :) . Thx ZPV :) .
 
Kaitzilla said:
695AD! :goodjob:
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TY Kai.

The 1st pre-700-AD Spacerace of all times :goodjob: . You know that only pre-700-AD Spaceraces show that the player has skill, right Kaitzilla? :D

(Very happy to pay you back for what you did to me in the last Deity-Gauntlet. )
 
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