NOTW LVI: The Demon Council [Game Thread]

Zack · Sep 12, 2015

Sorry for the late update, I lost track of time. It should be up soon.

Zack · Sep 12, 2015

End of Night Two

Kennigit's corpse was discovered that morning.

Spoiler :

Day Three ends in:

[TIMER=9/14/2015 3:00 PM CDT; Day Three Over]tunnel snakes rule[/TIMER]

Visorslash · Sep 12, 2015

Yeah figured as much.

Have no idea why Spaceman decided to defend a mislynch on Jarrema. Still fine with the jarrema lynch personally, he was acting rather strange.

Visorslash · Sep 12, 2015

BSmith. Double A, Takhisis and Winston also need looking at.

Visorslash · Sep 12, 2015

Winston

Zack · Sep 12, 2015

All night results have been sent.

landlubber · Sep 12, 2015

Visorslash said:
Have no idea why Spaceman decided to defend a mislynch on Jarrema.

It's possible that he hoped to win townie points if Jarrema was lynched and revealed as town.

Something about the bladescape wagon seems off to me. It strikes me as a way for scum to look helpful to the town by trying to stop the sole focus on Jarrema, but the wagon itself was basically meritless. Tak, Snerk, and Arakhor's votes all confuse me, Arakhor specifically because he seemed to say that bladescape seemed reasonable, but still voted for him. Why?

Visorslash · Sep 13, 2015

6 spaceman98 (Visorslash, landlubber, Double A, BSmith1068, choxorn, bladescape)

5 Visorslash (KingMorgan, Jarrema, spaceman98, Snerk, Kennigit)

2 BSmith1068 (Winston Hughes)

1 choxorn (Sprig)
1 Jarrema (Legato Endless)
1 Kennigit (Arakhor)
1 landlubber (Takhisis)

0 Sprig (Autolycus, robbiecon)

7 Jarrema (Kennigit, landlubber, Visorslash, Double A, Al Sipsclar, bladescape, KingMorgan)

5 bladescape (Sprig, Takhisis, BSmith1068, Snerk, Arakhor)

1 Visorslash (Jarrema)
1 Kennigit (robbiecon)

Posting, Not Voting: Winston Hughes

Not Posting: Legato Endless

Visorslash · Sep 13, 2015

Yes, Double A, blade, land and BSmith might not be all town, but they all bussed in a scenario where it was really quite pointless considering the 6-5 wagons.

Visorslash · Sep 13, 2015

Al Sipsclar

I want to provide some pressure here actually.

What are your thoughts so far?

Al Sipsclar · Sep 13, 2015

Spoiler :

Visorslash clears KingMorgan, landlubber, Double A, BSmith after spaceman's lynch. Wants to look at BSmith, AA, Takhisis, Winston after Jarrema's.

Spoiler :

Robbiecon clearly believes Sprig deserves support. Sprig thinks Takhisis is town.

Sprig seems to be more eloquent than in Visor's game where he was scum. Feels townie.

BSmith1068
- votes bladescape for lazy voting Jarrema. FoSses KM.

Double A
- dutifully follows Visor.

Takhisis
- seems to trust Visor, votes bladescape anyways

Winston Hughes
Legato Endless
- missing

Arakhor, with Snerk and KM are ones who'd vote Visor. Arakhor seems to have PM contact with Snerk. KM claimed injury. Are kills power based? Or we have a power reducing ability?

bladescape
- busy somewhere else, votes with Visor.

robbiecon voted Kennigit, supported Sprig. Visor said this is townie. Without more data, I'll have to go with bladescape for now.

bladescape · Sep 13, 2015

You're going to have to explain how me being busy is me being scum.

Notably I've finished up with the hard part of the other game. Was kinda stuck in a town leadership role and had to do a lot of the ISOing and scumhunting myself. This is a game that had 50+ pages by Day 3.

With only 11 pages this really shouldn't be half as hard to look over. I just woke up so I'll be back to do it in some indeterminable time in the next 10 hours.

KingMorgan · Sep 13, 2015

bladescape said:
You're going to have to explain how me being busy is me being scum.

Notably I've finished up with the hard part of the other game. Was kinda stuck in a town leadership role and had to do a lot of the ISOing and scumhunting myself. This is a game that had 50+ pages by Day 3.

With only 11 pages this really shouldn't be half as hard to look over. I just woke up so I'll be back to do it in some indeterminable time in the next 10 hours.

Worst Excuses Ever. Also you showed up pretty quick when you name was bolded.

Think you have some explaining to do Mr bladescape I look forward to reading your analysis.

bladescape · Sep 13, 2015

KingMorgan said:
Worst Excuses Ever. Also you showed up pretty quick when you name was bolded.

Think you have some explaining to do Mr bladescape I look forward to reading your analysis.

Cool. Cry me a river.

Spoiler ISOs :

Spoiler Snerk :

Snerk said:
Winston Hughes for using CFC with invisible mode enabled. Invisible mode = scum 100% of the times.

Snerk said:
Fos on Double for being member of the ancient secret cult of CFC invisible mode users.

Tallyho:

Takhisis: 2 (Landlubber, Spaceman)
Sprig: 2 (Auto, Kennigit)
Kennigit: 2 (Arakhor, Kennigit)
Jarrema 2: (Double A, Visor)
Visor: 2 (King Morgan, Jarrema)
Choxorn: 2 (bladescape, Sprig)
bladescape: 1 (choxorn)
landlubber: 1 (Takhisis)
Autolycus: 1 (Legato Endless)
Winston: 1 (Snerk)

Snerk said:
Somehow you also managed to say "and secondly, you're a knob head" without saying it. Well played, Space, well played.

Snerk said:
What exactly is the issue at hand? (not sarcastic, I would genuinely like to know)

unvote, vote: Visorslash.

But not because because of the flinch (or whatever). I'm fine with flinching, flinch your heart out. But the I don't act like this when scummy routine is awful.

Snerk said:
It's still a moot point, as usual. In High Society he came extremely close to getting himself lynched due to his suspicious low profile. If he's drawn the scum card again then I bet he'd make sure that the flying under the radar argument could not be used against him again.

Snerk said:
Care to explain, Winston?

Why and how?

Something about Kennigit's comment pinged me.

OK full disclosure, I haven't spent that much time with this game yet. Can anybody elaborate on why somebody wants a closer look on jarrema and bladescape?

And please answer your pm, Visor.

Snerk said:
Visorslash for now.

Snerk said:
unvote, vote: Winston, where are ye? Does your vote count for two?

Snerk said:
Why?

Yeah looking at the Space and Visor wagons and how they developed, I don't see a huge probability of bussage. But I also doubt the entire scum team would have joined me on the Visor wagon. Low key votes on third party would also be typical.

Snerk said:
Gotcha.

Snerk said:
As our Spymaster I'm sure you're no stranger to that?

Snerk said:
unvote, vote: Bladescape

Spoiler Takhisis :

Takhisis said:
landlubber is so clearly clueless that he's obviously scum. What is my character, pray tell?

Takhisis said:
If you smarmy district lords hadn't decided to deprive me of half my budget

You sleazy, lazy, incompetent bureaucrats. Now I have to pick up the pieces of what you idlers have broken all by yourselves while we sane people were forced to look on.

Takhisis said:
You got it right with one of those alright.

Takhisis said:
These are not the scum you're looking for. He can go about his business.

Takhisis said:
Seriously, Dr. Leo? Did you really think I, of all people, would flinch?

Takhisis said:
What?

Please write down that you haven't written down your vote and that my own vote is a pressure one on Al Sipsclar.

Honorary mention for Winston who appears to be a double-voter and appears not to be drawing any attacks from our killers.

Takhisis said:
bladescape is alive and he wasn't lynched

Takhisis said:
Heh, I've checked the tally. Both you and bladescape voted for Spaceman. Yay, go team, I guess.

Takhisis said:
Secret communications, eh?

Takhisis said:
What's this vote you speak of, bladescape? It surely does sound like a means of transportation to me.

I'm sorry, ~~Winston Hughes~~. But I can't vote for you like that.

Takhisis said:
fFoS: Double A.

Takhisis said:
>_<
Yes, bladescape.

Spoiler Double A :

Double A said:
Jarrema
Okay, I'll bite, but I feel weird actually making a serious vote D1.

I've been scum for the past four years? Huh, maybe it's a secret cult thing.

Double A said:
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Double A said:
what the hell happened
unvote
vote: spaceman

Winston's a jester, guys.
And I wouldn't?

Speaking as an expert on townies claiming I flinched when I obviously bloody didn't and then getting lynched for it, Visor did not flinch.

Double A said:
3 strength is spoopy?

The thesis put forward by Zack, shortly before the launch of his own game.

Coincidence? I think aliens.

Double A said:
vote: Jarrema
¯\_(&#12484_/¯

Yeah, I know. It's like magic to me.

Double A said:
Unless he thinks you're scum with the proposed other team.

Double A said:
Yeah pretty much. We aren't even seeing two kills.

Double A said:
I find that really hard to believe in a Zaccino NOTW game.

Double A said:
Visor is 100% town unless there's a second scum team, and even then he's still probably town. Why would he bus Bladescape?

Double A said:
I voted for him yesterday and helped get him lynched?

Double A said:
...
Goddammit, I mixed bladescape and spaceman up again.

Double A said:
But their names both have two syllables!

Spoiler Arakhor :

Arakhor said:
Hmmm. So if the diplomats are attempting to kill us and have secretly infiltrated this council, then clearly Kennigit is at fault!

Arakhor said:
I don't think you get two votes, robbiecon, unless of course there's something I'm not understanding.

Arakhor said:
How does Kennigit have two votes and how do two "correct" tallies turn up the same wrong answers?

Arakhor said:
Everyone has a role or ability according to the OP, so piously admitting to not being vanilla means nothing.

Arakhor said:
I was under the impression that it being 2015 automatically disproved that thesis.

Arakhor said:
I never have much to say in the early game. Besides, no one's dead yet.

Arakhor said:
If everyone has a power, role or other non-vanilla goodie, chances are that not all of them are going to be obviously useful. I remember my time as Eowyn, constantly searching for a Nazgûl who wasn't even in the first half of the game!

Arakhor said:
Why me?

Arakhor said:
I didn't really have anything to contribute yesterday. I have mentioned before I'm actually really bad at this whole cold reading thing that everyone else seems to be so good at.

As I mentioned, it was only Day One and no one had died.

Arakhor said:
For that matter, I was planning to round up some posts and see what I made of them, but I got distracted today (Weds) and forgot. I'll have to do that later (on Thurs).

Arakhor said:
I wasn't particularly surprised that Spaceman was scum, no.

I do have a couple of suspicions right now, but I'll need to go back over Day One first.

Arakhor said:
I'm not sure how much more clearly I can say that I had no certain knowledge either way, mostly because it was Day One. This should not be a surprise. I also have painful experience of committing too early and getting fried because of it.

That said, reading back on it, it's fairly apparent that Spaceman was up to no good and Jarrema certainly seems to want Visor dead, which probably indicates that he's anti-town, but I really do not think Jarrema is also a blood mage. A third, anti-town, faction perhaps?

I'm willing to believe that you have a more-or-less vanilla role, Visor, because of your activity in my game. Kennigit also seem to distrust you though, and I don't trust KingMorgan to be innocent, but I could be completely wrong.

I'm going to go with Kennigit here and say that there's more than one anti-town faction. If Jarrema is anti-town, as seems likely, he and Spaceman are on different teams.

Arakhor said:
The reason I think that is what I was (obliquely) referring to in my PM to you.

Arakhor said:
Well, Bladescape voted for Spaceman yesterday and potentially caused him to be lynched, whilst only Jarrema is still voting for Visor today. KM was on the Visor wagon yesterday, so since I don't think KM is innocent, there's either several factions or a lot of bussing going on.

Arakhor said:
I think that seems reasonable, under the circumstances. Vote: Bladescape.

Spoiler Sprig :

Spoiler Winston Hughes :

Spoiler BSmith :

Spoiler robbiecon :

Spoiler Al Sipsclar :

Autolycus said:
Sprig is clearly a traitor, jealous that his district is the last number!

Al Sipsclar said:
Dear Lords, have no fear: I have everything written down!

Lord of District 5 is not among us anymore. Lord Spymaster, you should immediately send a written order to put your department on the highest alert! I can help you with writing.

Spoiler :

Friendly bickering between choxorn and bladescape.

Spoiler :

Sprig votes choxorn.

Spoiler :

choxorn follows Visorslash voting Jarrema and spaceman98. bladescape votes spaceman98.

Nothing else connecting choxorn and bladescape.

Al Sipsclar said:
Kennigit actually calling out spaceman's flinch before Visor was woken up.

Visorslash clears Kennigit.

Spoiler :

I will follow the very well written advice of our Imperial friend and vote:Jarrema

Al Sipsclar said:
Spoiler :

Visorslash clears KingMorgan, landlubber, Double A, BSmith after spaceman's lynch. Wants to look at BSmith, AA, Takhisis, Winston after Jarrema's.

Spoiler :

Robbiecon clearly believes Sprig deserves support. Sprig thinks Takhisis is town.

Sprig seems to be more eloquent than in Visor's game where he was scum. Feels townie.

BSmith1068
- votes bladescape for lazy voting Jarrema. FoSses KM.

Double A
- dutifully follows Visor.

Takhisis
- seems to trust Visor, votes bladescape anyways

Winston Hughes
Legato Endless
- missing

Arakhor, with Snerk and KM are ones who'd vote Visor. Arakhor seems to have PM contact with Snerk. KM claimed injury. Are kills power based? Or we have a power reducing ability?

bladescape
- busy somewhere else, votes with Visor.

robbiecon voted Kennigit, supported Sprig. Visor said this is townie. Without more data, I'll have to go with bladescape for now.

Spoiler Legato Endless :

Spoiler landlubber :

Spoiler King Morgan :

ISOs for anyone that wants to refer back to things I mention in my analysis. Also: Visor vs Spaceman voting progression:

Spoiler :

Analysis in another post in a bit. Takes longer to write up and other people can use the info I've posted.

bladescape · Sep 13, 2015

EBWOP:
I should've mentioned "Cry me a river" was in direct response to "Worst excuses ever."

bladescape · Sep 13, 2015

So straight up, here's the obvious things:

I did not ISO Visor. Mostly because he cannot be scumbuddies with Space, considering how the Day 1 happened.

Secondly, I don't believe there is multiple scumteams because of the lack of multiple nightkills.

Now, onto the analysis side of things:

Strong Townreads
Visor - Nothing to be said here.
Double A - Mix up of Space and myself screams town, or at least not scumbuddies with Space. Position on the Space wagon helps.

Weak Townreads
Snerk - Positioning on the Visor wagon forces me to keep them in mind for potential scum but comments about the wagon (3rd party votes as suspicious, unlikely bussage) read well. (Vote on me contradicts the statement about unlikey bussage though.)
Landlubber - Quite sheepy but unlikely to be partners with Space. I like most of their posts so far.

Null (Needs to post more that I can dig my teeth into)
Sprig - I get nothing much from posts so far.
Winston Hughes
BSmith - Probably town for timing of jumping on Space
Robbiecon
Al Sipsclar - His reads post and previous posting feels eh but not strong in any way.
Legato Endless

Weak Scumreads
Takhisis - A lot of non-content. Fillering easily. Nothing redeemable really. (Amusing note: he unvotes Winston with a slash through when he was voting Al.

)
KingMorgan - That "flinch" comment about Visor rings huge alarm bells in my head. And the generally weak posts seem to not help. Only reason KM is only weak scum is because the Power Reduction on N1 post feels town-ish.

Strong Scumreads
Arakhor - Oh look. Wishy washy stands to the side on Day 1. Random PIS-ish comment about Jarrema, oh and look, he defends me and then votes me.

bladescape · Sep 13, 2015

I forgot to add:

Arakhor for the lynch.

KingMorgan · Sep 13, 2015

On the face of it Snerk looks the scummiest.

Seem to be missing an ISO for bladescape.

Visorslash · Sep 13, 2015

Reasonable. Mostly where I'm at.

I'd like to pressure Robbie/Winston as well.

I'd leave Arakhor and Morgan alone for now as both have made relatively useful claims.

bladescape · Sep 13, 2015

KingMorgan said:
Seem to be missing an ISO for bladescape.

I totally need an ISO for myself. Need to work out if I'm scum.

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