Domestic Poll: Cities 3 & 4 Locations

Okay, well, I've looked over the situation again and it seems that not only is Noldodan gone, but we have a settler right now and another only ten turns away. In other words, we need a poll.

The following sites, illustrated below, show the cities proposed by Chieftess (with one modification) in the discussion thread. Because of the dire situation it is important that people vote early. Also, this is a multiple choice public poll. I know people won't like that, but because of the situation we need two sites. So please vote for your first and second choices. The one with the most votes gets built first. Unfortunately, this isn't preferential voting as much as double, but it should give us two sites. Anyone who votes for three or more sites is very naughty and will not get anything for....Tet (this is public so that I can know if people did that). The poll will last 42 hours, though chances are the cities will be founded before that, so its important to vote early (though, as stated, not too often). The first site will be founded immediately, and the second settler will usher fourth from our capital ten turns from now.


Site A: Northern Port

Site B: Wine & Flood Plain

Site C: Wheat-Rich Flood Plain

Site D: The Unknown

Site E: Hills Across the Lake

Site F: Desert & Hills

Site G: Gems, Horses, and Mountains


Sites A-F

Obviously some unlikely sites were included. The main choice will be between C and G, and which one goes first.

This is not a very good poll, I know, and I'm sorry about it. I thought Noldy was here, and I didn't think we had a settler yet.

While I approve of both Sites C and G, I find it imperative that C is founded first. Therefore, I have only cast my vote for C.

Site C can be reached in 3 turns instead of Site G's 8 turns, and will provide immediate growth potential for our nation. Please keep the sprawl of our three known neighbors in mind here.

i voted site A and G

site A has the wheat allowing us to build settlers quickly, whereas site G has a good combination of resources luxuries and productivity availiable.

Abstain.....

i voted for b and c

Remember people, you don't need to say who you voted for.

This method will hopefully not be used in the future. This is just because I thought Noldy was here and all.

C and G. Growth and gems

Abstain, public poll.

-- Ravensfire

May I remind you that Site G would be a terrible choice. Why? Not only are we already going to get a source of gems, that site won't be very productive (probably size4-5 at best). there's a better location for that site futher SE, which has 3 bonus food.

BANZAI NE

G- GO GO GO GO,

I would strongly urge all Japanaticans to rally to the alternative G, as C is already secured. The reason why is that our strategy requires the following:

A strategic presence in the South pressing the Babylonians into Zulu lands
A defensible border with defensible river terrain bonus (25 %), hill (50 %)
Access to tradeable gems, worth 4 gold per tile plus luxury and future trade value
Gives us a springboard position to dominate the south and southeast against our competing tribes.
Enables us to develop a full economic and defensible system in the heights from sector 1-6, and is of national interest to secure early.
The other tribes would not reach our northern lands before they are settled anyways

We need to seize disputed territories NOW.

Finally, I may ask for an optional poll in case we discover iron before G is settled, in order to potentially reroute the settler for the potential iron location.

Chieftess said:

May I remind you that Site G would be a terrible choice. Why? Not only are we already going to get a source of gems, that site won't be very productive (probably size4-5 at best). there's a better location for that site futher SE, which has 3 bonus food.

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Site G's sole purpose will be to play keep-away from the Babylonians. You can still have your site 3-4 tiles directly SE of Site G once we build a road net out that way. Besides Site G is 8 tiles away from our capital as it is.

Also, I see no problem with eventually having 3-4 tight-build cities in our Gems region to work as small production centers. These cities could not only diligently pump out low shield items like Spearmen, but could also enhance our unit support minimums.

Donovan Zoi, please ask the moderators to add your missing vote to alternative G.
Having only voted for C , you can still do that. Do it for trade at least!

The point of Site G is not to get gems for ourselves, the point is to deny them (and hopefully the horses) to other civs like Babylon.

Hence, why I thought it was important enough to commit a vote to only that site.

Now, I had a 2-settler plan that both denied the Gems AND created a Production Center down there with that 3 Bonus Food, but we likely don't have the time to implement it. (Hopefully, it'll still be there for our 7th or 8th Settler, but I'm not holding my breath.)

EDIT: All praise the Honorable Minister of Trade! He brought up a point I completely forgot, Unit Support! The ability to support an additional 2 Samurai could turn the tide in a tech race.

EDIT 2: Provo, I can safely say that, unless Site G turns in a stunning upset, Anno Ferrum will occur before Site G is settled. That Settler should be about halfway to site G at that time. (On the other hand, should site C be chosen first, and its first project be a Settler, then we'd be only about 4 turns away from that 5th Settler. That one we can probably devote to Iron, unless some is found in the Border Plateau or on that mountain in Sector 7. (So keep those 10 Gallon Hats handy Mr. Pres and Madame VP.)

Moderator: Please add my once-held vote for Site G. We can use the commerce from the Gems to greatly enhance our tech research.

Moderator Action: Added 1 to the Site-G for Donovan Zoi. But there seem to be now 2 votes added; 1 by me and one "ghost-addition". If one of my fellow mods has also done it, please subtract 1

This actually is a stupid poll. Are we not getting Iron soon? In less than 12 turns or so? Why are we deciding a double city placement when the dicsovery of Iron is rught round the corner?

Sorry about not getting the poll up myself guys. I had no time yesterday (birthday party), and didn't get home until midnight, so I haven't even been around since Saturday night. Epimethius you did the right thing getting this poll up. In the future, if you don't have a good reason to think I'm going to be able to post a poll or TC instructions, please, do what you did here. That's what deputies are for, after all.

Cyc, that Iron acceleration is very new news, thanks to DZ. And of course we will overrule that G decision if we see an iron city

I voted for A & B for the point of cosistency in our borders, but if iron pops up somewhere we should go for it.

Moderator Action: Added 1 to the Site-G for Donovan Zoi. But there seem to be now 2 votes added; 1 by me and one "ghost-addition". If one of my fellow mods has also done it, please subtract 1 [/QUOTE]

A ghost addition? Oh, that's how you do it....

Election problem solved.

I call for a nullification of the fourth city location. We need to wait until the discovery of Iron before we press on. If Iron is within our grasp, our fourth city should go there.