Hurricane Katrina becomes Category 4

Uiler said:
According to this article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050829...vcbLisB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

The electricity has failed at the Superdome where 10 000 people are taking shelter. The emergency generators have kicked in but are not enough to run the air conditioners. I also read that they didn't have enough time to set up portable toilets (or bad planning?). So 10 000 people stuck in an enclosed area with the lower parts flooded, not enough toilets and no air conditioner. Ouch.

Sakra. Poor people there...
 
I did a quick copy and paste from the new Earth Sat Google program to show the location of New Orleans comparative to the eye. It actually seems like the western eyewall will just pass over the city centre during the next half hour.

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As I'm typing this they should be in the worst of the hurricane - if they can ride that out they should be heading into safer conditions as they're enveloped in the southwestern part of the hurricane.
 
IglooDude said:
I'm tempted to withdraw my earlier comment to Stormbind that emergency management planners are not morons. :blush:
My experience is that emergency planners are indeed very, very, stupid.

To get people out of FL as quickly as possible, they instructed everyone to use the roads with highest speed limit (Turnpike & 95) which created 1mph traffic jams running the length of the state... meanwhile the 55mph US1 was devoid of traffic (like a ghost road with only an occational car doing 100mph+ and enjoying it), but planners insisted their idea of using only two thirds of available capacity was better :crazyeye:
 
What about the Netherlands?

I still call it a bad idea in the long run.... but when was the last time a hurricane hit the Netherlands?
 
We don't get hurricanes, lucky us. We only get the remnants that cross the Atlantic.

Of course the water is always an issue and global warming *is* a concern obviously. Strangely ebough *drought* sometimes can cause probelms for the dykes as well. We had a (small) flood mid-summer last year due to a dyke failing.

We don't have the option to move away in large numbers, so plans are made to deal with the water when it comes. Currently the fashion is to appoint flood areas where access water can be let-in to remove pressure. This is mostly to handle excess water flowing in from the rivers, which happens more often than sea-floods. Heard of what happened in mid-Europe last week? Those kinds of floods are a bigger threat ATM.
 
a space oddity said:
We don't get hurricanes, lucky us. We only get the remnants that cross the Atlantic.

Of course the water is always an issue and global warming *is* a concern obviously. Strangely ebough *drought* sometimes can cause probelms for the dykes as well. We had a (small) flood mid-summer last year due to a dyke failing.

We don't have the option to move away in large numbers, so plans are made to deal with the water when it comes. Currently the fashion is to appoint flood areas where access water can be let-in to remove pressure. This is mostly to handle excess water flowing in from the rivers, which happens more often than sea-floods. Heard of what happened in mid-Europe last week? Those kinds of floods are a bigger threat ATM.

Yeah, this year, CZ hasn't been hit. We've got ours few years ago (remember Prague underwater?).
 
stormbind said:
My experience is that emergency planners are indeed very, very, stupid.

To get people out of FL as quickly as possible, they instructed everyone to use the roads with highest speed limit (Turnpike & 95) which created 1mph traffic jams running the length of the state... meanwhile the 55mph US1 was devoid of traffic (like a ghost road with only an occational car doing 100mph+ and enjoying it), but planners insisted their idea of using only two thirds of available capacity was better :crazyeye:

Could they have been holding US1 out for emergency vehicle traffic (and Nat'l Guard units coming in)?

One thing I've learned with emergency management is that some decisions that look stupid can have factors that the general public isn't aware of. In the Superdome facilities case, it could be that the toilets aren't dependent on the electrical system, and the water system will run pretty much no matter what (and floodwater contamination doesn't much matter anyway for that specific usage).
 
stormbind said:
That is exactly what I said would happen. The bigger the hurricane, the quicker it burns out.

Tell that to all the people who died in Virginia from Camille in 1969... even though Camille made landfall in Mississippi. :rolleyes:
 
Speedo said:
I still call it a bad idea in the long run.... but when was the last time a hurricane hit the Netherlands?

1953, when the dikes burst, and 1800 people drowned in the subsequent flooding. Okay, so that wasn't from a tropical hurricane, but the winds from that storm did reach hurricane force.
 
I cant help chuckling when I hear people talking about cities being saved by 'dykes'. I imagine rows of brave butch looking women in plaid fighting the elements with shovels and bucket brigades:lol:
 
The eye of Katrina is partly over land, officially making it a category 4 landfalling hurricane. It also appears the western edge of the eyewall is over the city of New Orleans. Latest radar loop:
 

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Bozo Erectus said:
I cant help chuckling when I hear people talking about cities being saved by 'dykes'. I imagine rows of brave butch looking women in plaid fighting the elements with shovels and bucket brigades:lol:
Glad to have made somebody laugh today. Dike is the proper term then, I take it? I'll use "dijk" from now on, the only way that is right anyway! ;)
 
Please keep the updates coming Q :goodjob: . Thanks for your info.
 
a space oddity said:
We don't get hurricanes, lucky us. We only get the remnants that cross the Atlantic.

Of course the water is always an issue and global warming *is* a concern obviously. Strangely ebough *drought* sometimes can cause probelms for the dykes as well. We had a (small) flood mid-summer last year due to a dyke failing.

We don't have the option to move away in large numbers, so plans are made to deal with the water when it comes. Currently the fashion is to appoint flood areas where access water can be let-in to remove pressure. This is mostly to handle excess water flowing in from the rivers, which happens more often than sea-floods. Heard of what happened in mid-Europe last week? Those kinds of floods are a bigger threat ATM.

Where would you go to if there was major flood? :scan: Where would most of
the population go?
 
All on the Pietersberg (Peter's "mountain") in the south east, I guess. :lol:

Seriously? It would cause a problem only if it's *really* major, people have lived here for ages. Half of the country is well above sea level. If push comes to shove, I'm sure our neighbours would let us in. Provided we don't stay too long, of course... ;)
 
dgfred said:
Where would you go to if there was major flood? :scan: Where would most of
the population go?
We wouldn't go; we'd stay to make the "seabarriers" higher and stronger.

"Seabarrier" chosen as the normal word seems to ignite childish snickering ...
 
a space oddity said:
All on the Pietersberg (Peter's "mountain") in the south east, I guess. :lol:

Seriously? It would cause a problem only if it's *really* major, people have lived here for ages. Half of the country is well above sea level. If push comes to shove, I'm sure our neighbours would let us in. Provided we don't stay too long, of course... ;)

I'm sure the Germans are eager to return the favor, as you were so hospitable to them in the past several decades. ;)
 
We are getting reports that New Orlean's Superdomes roof is coming apart :eek: . Many, many people are sheltering there :( . Also reports
of flooding in NO and the city being 'under' water... this could be real
ugly.
 
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