KISS Chats for Term III

Rough draft KISSMIA Master Plan

The background:
--MIA had researched writing per their discussions with Donuts.
--MIA is writing to Doughnut that they are extremely upset with Doughnut for backing out of a deal for writing, CoL and Philo for WC, CB and IW.
--KISS got wheel from a hut. It fits.

While KISS researches republic the other teams will...
--MIA will have masonry and will research map making, lit then ?construction? (though I’d prefer TNT goes this path).
We would like Doughnut to research HBR, maths and currency and KISS gives wheel now and republic when finished. They will give techs as they finish since they are at war. We can explain the math path by telling them about the TNT iron hill.

The aftermath.
So KISS ise up CoL and Philo on MIA and they are up masonry.

We can say we traded for masonry and alleged gpt (transparent on the diplo screen) for CoL.
Then when Doughnut gives us HBR we can trade philo and HBR for map making and future considerations (harbors will be up so lux is an alleged option). This is when we show our relationship has warmed up to MIA.
Finally, currency and republic for lit and (potential)MIA's free tech in the MA.

Maybe MIA can go Construction to finish the tree while we go poly? Doughnut self researches lit and map making?

Do we sell map making and lit to Doughnut and split the profit? Where does TNT fit in?
Help me fill in the puzzle.

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Draft of Blue Print Master Plan
bawhomp: I was going to send the KISSMIA rough draft.
fe3333au: I too like KISSMIA ... nice ring to the words
KC Venters: I like Kissing Mia too :-*
bawhomp: Kiss my A
bawhomp: donut
bawhomp: and tnt
fe3333au: lets keep it nice fellas
bawhomp: hehe ... sorry
fe3333au: no waz

TNT are they at War?
KC Venters: Did you see my hypothesis about the other continent?
fe3333au: explain your musings Tubby? ... I have yet to receive anything except the ships passing in the night
bawhomp: ok i'm forwarding so take a look

KISS first in Manufacturing
KC Venters: we are #1 in mfg goods (unwasted shields) on F11 ... Seeing that we are still ahead in mfg. goods must mean that either

(i) TNT hadn't attacked with an immortal

(ii) TNT-D'nut war is not a reality

or (iii) TNT is really bad a MMing

KC Venters: point ii would fall in line with dual city settler production for D'nut ... Both Shelbyville and Springfield lost 2 or more pop in the last few turns ... just makes me say hmmmm

Ships Passing
KC Venters: Oh Fe, we saw the Snarling Narwhal ... they are ~ 4 turns from meeting TNT

No War ???
fe3333au: wow ... Nut are at peace ... what is the tech senario with TNT
KC Venters: they are way behind ... they must have attacked with a warrior than with an immortal.
fe3333au: I would have to say that they must be at war ... or they would have traded tech for peace ... what number is given if you were equal first with TNT? ... wrt Manufacturing?
KC Venters: there's no way we could still be in 1st with Mfg goods ... if TNT was in a GA
fe3333au: is it automatic that GA occures when UU engages?
KC Venters: and wins, yes.
fe3333au: good point
KC Venters: I couldn't imagine an immortal losing
fe3333au: TNT may be massing for a big attack?
KC Venters: I dunno

Sea Views
KC Venters: Our dinghy saw a worker mining a hill in despostism!!!
bawhomp: in your pm box
fe3333au: cheers ... strange about TNT ... We saw no units coming up the coast
KC Venters: closest distance is a straight line ... not along the coast
fe3333au: Just saying so that also tells me TNT are not exploring ... so they are at war
bawhomp: and mining hills in despot =-O
KC Venters: I'm not completely convinced that they aren't at war yet. the Mfg goods just doesn't make sense ... the mining the hills don't either.
fe3333au: They are mining as they expect to be in GA soon?
bawhomp: can we invite your friend skippy in fe-dog?
fe3333au: open to all
Skippyshutt has entered the room.

Get the Draft?
bawhomp: Fe did you see your pm?
fe3333au: I have posted it in a thread

Boats
KC Venters: so Fe, you guys have two boats out there?
fe3333au: two boats yes ... You have one boat?
KC Venters: we have 1 boat... Don't you guys have 2?
fe3333au: yes ... otherone is coming up our west coast
KC Venters: I was wondering how it wen't that fast around the other continent
fe3333au: sea crossing

Research Path
Skippyshutt: who's doing MM?
fe3333au: we will be ... we all agree it is the better tech to go for first
KC Venters: Oh and let us know when you are about to finish MM ... so we can pre-build a harbor for trading luxes ASAP
fe3333au: How much warning you want?
bawhomp: 5 turns Tubs?
KC Venters: 3-4 turns should be ok if it's ok with you guys

Turn rate Slow it down !!!
fe3333au: sorry guys I will have to go unless anything else to discuss?
KC Venters: no nothing here
fe3333au: cya then
bawhomp: No just give us some feedback on the KISSMIA\ ... see ya Werner
fe3333au: sure when I get it ... btw any cahnce of slowing the turn rate down a bit? ... It's like 12 hours atm
KC Venters: sure
bawhomp: We need to get you more players.
KC Venters: we'll drag our feet a bit
fe3333au: hope the advertising works
bawhomp: We will slow down
fe3333au: thanks ... cya
bawhomp: bye

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Absenteeism
fe3333au: hey
bawhomp: Hi there buddy boy
fe3333au: what's appenin
bawhomp: we wondered if you were "mia"....if you know what I mean.
fe3333au: I should have mentioned absence in the main registry ... but only in the MIA thread bawhomp: everything ok?

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Nuts
bawhomp: we talked with donut
fe3333au: and ...
bawhomp: they are on board but they'll need masonry ... so ... if you can sell it or we can confuse them somehow ... they think we may be getting it from tnt
fe3333au: really
bawhomp: yup ... so i thought of asking tnt and then telling them their price was too high ... lol

Concerns
fe3333au: I have posted your draft plan ... just before leaving ... but we have concerns
bawhomp: ok
fe3333au: are you planing on honouring the agreement with Nuts
bawhomp: sure ... how so?
fe3333au: Rewpublic for 3 techs hardly a hardsell ... Nuts seem to be getting alot more out of our respective assistance then they give
bawhomp: they would be giving a little more.
fe3333au: But end result is 3 relatively even teams vs a weakened TNT
bawhomp: is tnt weakened?
fe3333au: tech wise ... yes
bawhomp: they would still be short lit and map making and either construtction or poly
fe3333au: This is all tech race related
bawhomp: right but they will need to pay for masonry ... with either cash or tech.
fe3333au: from us?
bawhomp: up to you.
fe3333au: but what tech can they offer?
bawhomp: here's what they will get ... HBR ... maths and currency ... equals 30 more beakers than republic.
fe3333au: let me just stress i am just passing on thoughts from the thread
bawhomp: understandable.
fe3333au: However we have a bit of bad blood with Nuts ... they treated us like shyte
bawhomp: i understand and we would help you if there was a problem
fe3333au: I will pass this on ... however I think we may have more questions ...

Deal with Nuts
fe3333au: will you be getting their techs as they come or have to wait
bawhomp: they will be down whatever you research ... we will demand them on finishing ... with an agreement which we would abide by
fe3333au: this has yet to be agreed
bawhomp: correct ... we agreed to talk to you first.
fe3333au: I understand the honour ... I too would feel uncomfortable not stricktly agreeing to the wording of an agreement
bawhomp: I have a feeling this same game will go to civ4 so anyone who backs out of agreements will have issues.
fe3333au: I have pre-ordered ... 4th Nov !!!!!!!!!!!
bawhomp: nice!
bawhomp: oct 25th hehe

Trade with an added clause
fe3333au: Just thinking? ... Can we trade a tech with you on condition to not trading it on?
bawhomp: sure why not ... I don't think we would do anything without discussing.
fe3333au: Just thinking we want Philo before we pop some huts ... and will give Masonry

Long Term
bawhomp: We need to solidify our long term mission.
fe3333au: Yes
bawhomp: My original thoughts with Kentharu stay the same ... But I am just one person
fe3333au: what you mean?
bawhomp: Mutual Exclusivity agreement
fe3333au: Yes ... as per we trade at 20% reduced and other at normal rates
bawhomp: could be but it could also be the destruction of the other continent ... and then it's mano a mano.
fe3333au: ie we do sweet deals among each other
bawhomp: shared everything ... once galley are around and republic is in place.
fe3333au: I see we wait until the other two are RIP then salute on guarde'
bawhomp: with a caveat.
fe3333au: the 10 turn warning
bawhomp: ten turns and whomever terminates is not allowed first strike after the 10 ... it's honorable.
fe3333au: I agree to this ... as it is already in treaty I believe
bawhomp: then we should consider extending it.
fe3333au: or if it isn't then we should ... exactly
bawhomp: In the meantime we play the other two egomaniacs for fools.

TNT
bawhomp: I want to write TNT to see what they'd offer masonry ... just to say no dice
fe3333au: He he he ... How quick were Nuts to getting back to you?
bawhomp: haven't yet ... we told them we were working on masonry
fe3333au: and we will also try talking to TNT when we meet them

Classical Hero
bawhomp: and play them like a violin ... classical would like that ... heheh
fe3333au: actually his b'day now
bawhomp: We will send a Kiss!
fe3333au: sorry once you kiss him ... he always goes for more
bawhomp: oh
fe3333au: so you better kiss him yourself
bawhomp: never mind
fe3333au: he he he
fe3333au: You could send Spippy
fe3333au: *skippy
bawhomp: oh yeah right....and igor too
fe3333au: as long as beer is involved ... who cares
bawhomp: I kind of prefer Spippy
fe3333au: he he he
bawhomp: kind of pippy esque
bawhomp: with an s

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Donut discussion last evening


Hey Guys,

I wanted to keep you in the loop.

I had a discussion with Robi from Donut last night. They seemed agreeable to research maths next so either you can attempt to trade them masonry or when you're finished we can. They think we're potentially getting it from TNT. They think they will finish HBR within the next 4 turns. ETA on masonry?

How do you think we should proceed?

Whomper
POTKISS

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bawhomp: here's what they will get ... HBR ... maths and currency ... equals 30 more beakers than republic.

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New Discussion at UN
Skippyshutt: for your consideration ... http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3191973&postcount=1
fe3333au: I like ... We have a piece on refos in our constittion

fe3333au: So are we assigned refugees ... or is it random ... or do we choose ... or do winning side get first pick
Skippyshutt: the losers must request to join and then be approved
fe3333au: Skip ... I like that ... is that part of rules?
bawhomp: they choose
Skippyshutt: I don't know, just wanted to start something
fe3333au: Skippy you are an evil man ... You know this type of talk will be fuel to paranoiic fire
Skippyshutt: really? lol
fe3333au: he he he
bawhomp: you're done ... stick a fork
fe3333au: he he he
Skippyshutt: gasoline on napalm
fe3333au: Mr Skippy ... you are a dangerous creature ... stay away from zippos and matches

Kissy Kissy Smooch
fe3333au: We at MIA are impressed with you Whomp
bawhomp: how so
fe3333au: your repeated words of honour has impressed some of the doubters
bawhomp: I grew up in the SG world ... You don't do use exploits and dastardly deeds
fe3333au: exactly ...

Potential Nut deal
fe3333au: I am preparing a draft MIANutter deal
bawhomp: we talked to rob ... stalled him
fe3333au: and have hit a possible obsticle
bawhomp: go ahead
fe3333au: Nuts will probably ask for Masonry from us ... We do not have philo and CoL ... We would like to get this from you
bawhomp: we will strike a deal for all of your techs and the techs you acquire for republic.
fe3333au: what our excuse to 1. not request ... 2. Not trade ... We can easily explain getting philo from you with a pop hut ... ie. your next turn
bawhomp: not necessary once they've inked a deal
fe3333au: Oh we sign an uber deal first

Uber Deal
fe3333au: So we say Masonry for HBR ... MM for Maths ... Lit for Currancy ... and only that
bawhomp: No say you'll do masonry, lit and maps for hbr, maths and currency ... done
fe3333au: cool
bawhomp: then we make a mass deal for republic and get pissed at them
fe3333au: For trading Masonry with us
bawhomp: we give CoL, philo and republic for all you got
fe3333au: understood
bawhomp: yep
fe3333au: but ... the reason for you getting pissed is that Nuts traded Masonry with us
bawhomp: exactly ... and trying to back door us
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: on the whole deal after we talked to you ...

Nut Deal ... NOT Stone Set
fe3333au: and if we pop tech from huts ... we can easily change deals with Nut as well
bawhomp: but they can make up for it by researching construction
fe3333au: exactly ... I do like this

KISS Action
fe3333au: We need Philo gifted next turn from you
bawhomp: we need to stall ... sure?
fe3333au: and then the following (once we have concreted Nuts to an agreement) we will then give you Masonry
bawhomp: exactly ... because our relations warmed at that point
fe3333au: We are planning to pop a hut using your no barbs method
bawhomp: good luck
fe3333au: Yes you felt alone and came crawling ... he he he ... to the great MIA ... he he he
bawhomp: hehee
fe3333au: I has a logical reasonability to it ... But let us lead them on a little
bawhomp: sure they think we're talking to tnt
fe3333au: don't get pissed off until they have had time to bathe in their glory and intelegence
bawhomp: after we see the trade screen!
fe3333au: that way their demoralising fall will be from greater heights ... and you can unlease Igor
bawhomp: and then tell them they played us for myst!!
fe3333au: yep
bawhomp: and they can get back in our good graces by researching construction ...
fe3333au: but not for Republic
bawhomp: no way ... the tangly tangled webs we weave
fe3333au: he he he
bawhomp: both teams are screwed
fe3333au: and by that time ... the UN will be up and working I guess
bawhomp: despotic ga's suck
fe3333au: yep ... Great game.

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bawhomp: Morning Mate
<exchanged pleasantries, discussed flu, basball and the meaning of Woot ... Oh and White Sox win >

Finally
fe3333au: Did you know we lost a warrior
bawhomp: barb?
fe3333au: yeah

Subtle and Steering
fe3333au: near your jungle city
bawhomp: ikes
fe3333au: why you settle in jungle ... lux?
bawhomp: lux

Change Direction
fe3333au: I also see Polecat
bawhomp: My dad's city
fe3333au: I am summarizing last turn atm

Pounce
fe3333au: want to tell me which lux ... or shall I guess
bawhomp: dyes
fe3333au: damn I wanted to play

TNT Soon
fe3333au: so we are 1 turn past your ship ... 2 turns away from TNT?
bawhomp: yep

Comedy ... but bad
fe3333au: goody goody
fe3333au: oops should say clappy clapy I guess since Goody has another conotation

Whomp not a conaseur of good comedy
bawhomp: I forgot to send you booti's missive
fe3333au: send it with Philo
fe3333au: Ken has PMed Robi ... about our proposed deal
bawhomp: hopefully a quick response
fe3333au: don't know exact wording as Ken has not posted the message

Membership Drive
fe3333au: Took your advice, I invited V to join our team ... he sent me a PM asking if I was still around, so I mentioned this game and also that you have Coinige ... I suspect that he is too busy I think
fe3333au: He would be good though ... did you read the latest supliment?
fe3333au: I could almost smell the blackpowder charges from the cannon
bawhomp: no i wil
fe3333au: and Socrates was attacked

Wonder wondering Teaser
fe3333au: Your Oracle is visible
bawhomp: good
fe3333au: Hope it spun some people arund

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Musings about TNT
sixpackholiday: i'm musing on the tnt power curve or is it "over"

<didn't see as I was making coffee ... so ignored and bantered friendily>

Back on Topic
sixpackholiday: Q: how would MIA feel about Nuts caving in on TNT demands ... Our techs 4 example
fe3333au: We would perfer the war to go ahead ... and me would prefer that Nuts get stomped bad
sixpackholiday: by the look of the powa curve it's happening

I continue to rant
fe3333au: Those bastards have not gotten back to us ... it has been a week ... they have themselves to blame ... so what is the inside goss ... has TNT demanded stuff to end the war?
sixpackholiday: What would be best for Greens United. They have initially and will of course again ... if TNT does sloppy research because they're convinced they will pointy stick Nuts to all they have
fe3333au: sorry not sure I follow ... say again

Danger of TNT extorting techs from Nuts to keep them in game
sixpackholiday: sixpackholiday: TNT will get our research efforts for "free"
fe3333au: is this a projection of what you guys think will happen or you have been getting hints from Nuts?
sixpackholiday: no hints, just me guessing ... and the latest power curve. I may be wrong but i think TNT has whacked a Nut city
fe3333au: OK ... my personal (and not MIA) ... I am sick of Nuts and I personally would have no problems with shafting them
sixpackholiday: i understand that fully

Settledown Fe ... Big Picture ... But me not listening
sixpackholiday: but being all buissness ... no feelings ... how about giving Nuts a plan B
fe3333au: I am sick of supporting them ... I feel that they are getting the best out of your deal with them ... and they have not even had the courtesy of returning our PMs ... we are still prepared to giving them tech swaps ... but they never return our calls ??? ... I am so confused and also angry at them ... at least with TNT you know where you stand ... btw next turn we will have met them ... we can see the boarder of TNT
sixpackholiday: good

Engage my rant and then slooowly guide me back from the Red
sixpackholiday: There has been some talk abut cancelling our deal w them because we've found out the try to play us. not sure if anything has been decided
fe3333au: The idea was for MIA to get a deal and then you find out and tell them to get ****ed
sixpackholiday: you talked w whompie about that?
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: sounds good
fe3333au: we were chatting and emp contacted that he was chatting to Robi
sixpackholiday: i never really liked that big deal w them anyway
fe3333au: so Whomp and Tubby were there when Robi tried to deal behind your back
fe3333au: So the idea was MIA deal with them ... and then we give you all techs for republic ... smae deal ... but Nuts don't get republic
sixpackholiday: i saw they were trying to warn you about our GS's
fe3333au: yes ... amateurish
sixpackholiday: MW's not offensive ha ha
fe3333au: exactly ... tubby called him a tosser :LOL: sixpackholiday: good call
fe3333au: But ... why has Nuts not contacted us or returned our call?
sixpackholiday: very strange indeed
fe3333au: stupid ... with them it is always urgent ... and then they ignore us ... we always have to chase them
sixpackholiday: are they sensing we're setting them up???
fe3333au: I wish I had a AIM contact for someone in Nuts ... No they think we are no friendly

Do Nuts suspect Green Alliance
sixpackholiday: are they afraid we will accuse them of dealing behind our back and cancel our deal?
fe3333au: If they do ... they would be playing us differently ... We have played it good ... we got Pots from them ... and you don't have Masonry ... You also didn't have Wheel ... so they can see that we are not swapping techs
sixpackholiday: that's all good

Settled Down Now
fe3333au: Actually in reagards to your deal ... maybe it wouyld be better coming from you cos if they give all tech to TNT ... you get pissed off and the deal is off
sixpackholiday: and since we're not buddies they may be afraid to deal with you and make us angry
fe3333au: But didn't they tell you that they have access to Masonry?
sixpackholiday: don't remember
fe3333au: think Whomp said that
sixpackholiday: they thought we were getting Mas from TNT iirc
fe3333au: yes ... or at least were trying to get it from TNT

Back to Offering Nuts Haven
sixpackholiday: anyway, my thought was to, if they're up against the wall, gift them a useless refugee camp in our hood so they can tell TNT to stuff it and them take part in a later invasion ... TNT would be stuck in a tech hole and Nuts would be no threat
fe3333au: as long as they are in your boarders that would be cool ... I cannot trust that a pissed off MIA warrior will not attack them
sixpackholiday: heh

Focused Now ... Finally
fe3333au: do you think your team would agree?
sixpackholiday: even better, we gift city with a MIA stack close to it. TNT gets zip and you whack Nuts village and we don't break any deals
fe3333au: I think **** them ... if they are too stupid to do anything to get techs to save themmselves then **** them ... we offered the military techs they needed many many turns ago ... but they wouldn't repond to us ... and then played hardball ... and then told us to get ****ed ... by trading with you

Fun Sceanio ... We have access to Camp to stomp the Nuts ... Fantasy though
sixpackholiday: but you would get the honour of finishing them off
fe3333au: ... ... But let us do it together
sixpackholiday: sure ... if teams agree and the situation occurs that is

Back to Reality ... well Game Reality
fe3333au: In the big picture I would prefer them to put up more of a fight
sixpackholiday: yes, us too
fe3333au: they know we have masonry ... so why not trade with us???
sixpackholiday: stoopids

So idea of Safe Home is Real ... ish
sixpackholiday: would you take the possible "gift/whack" scenario to the team?
fe3333au: gift whack? ... I will take everything back to team ... i psot all chats but edit out personal stuff
sixpackholiday: we gift a refugee town and you whack it
fe3333au: Yep

Problems with Scenario
fe3333au: I doubt that Nuts would take it though ... I wouldn't
sixpackholiday: this assuming Nuts will be cornered badly and TNT demands all their stuff
sixpackholiday: i think they're as pissed at TNT as you're at Nuts ... or worse
fe3333au: So basically you are offering Nuts an escape clause ... to not give TNT stuff ... and still live
sixpackholiday: just my personal thought. not anchored in team ... yes
fe3333au: interesting idea

But
fe3333au: If I were Nuts I would probably be inclined to die fighting
sixpackholiday: basically a way of denying TNT the possibility of creeping out of that tech hole
fe3333au: and give extra cash and everything to my friends ... and then RIP ... Do they have HBR yet?
sixpackholiday: how about not dying at all and get a chanse to come back for revenge
fe3333au: yep sounds good but ... what would be your price
sixpackholiday: dunno...
fe3333au: They would become your vasals ...
sixpackholiday: they would take that risk yes
fe3333au: or do you see them as free french in WWII
sixpackholiday: not sure ... i see them saying OK and then you whack them

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Concerns Expressed
sixpackholiday: By the look of the power curve TNT is giving Nuts a hard time. I'm starting to have bad dreams about Nuts caving in and filling TNT's tech hole with stuff that we have worked on. If Nuts ends up having to choose btw being erased or giving TNT what they've got they might choose the latter and that would be a bummer. If they fight and die w/o caving in to any demands, then everything is ok, but let's assume they don't. Could we provide them with a plan B going like this: "If you are about to get whacked by TNT and see no way of turning the tables, would you deny them any demands and rather abandon your cities and move buissness to a town that we gift you? We would accept not to make any hostile moves vs. D-nuts in xx turns. You could then participate in any possible future attack on your sworn enemy. We, Celts, are offering this generous proposal in an effort of preventing TNT from getting techs that was not ment for them to have".
We would of course inform MIA of this (I've already spoken to fe about the idea) and let them gather a force big enough to raze the Nuts as soon as they've installed themselves on Our continent. They would like that very much since they're pi55ed of by Nuts refusing to answer MIA's pm's.

The Meme has infected ... and is spreading
sixpackholiday: my post in KISS forum
fe3333au: I am just commenting on our last chat in Our thread about the very same thing ... I am suggesting that any deal we have with Nuts must have a priviso of not being able to be traded on to another team ... Problem is that they may place the same onto us ... so that won't work
sixpackholiday: I think they will do anything not to cave for TNT

Just Read the Bit about us
fe3333au: I don't want us mentioned ... But mention that the city you gift them will be well away from MIA ... and that you have cities between them and us

sixpackholiday: you wont be in our proposal to Nuts (if we send one that is)
fe3333au: I too would hate for tech to be given to TNT
sixpackholiday: we could promise them almost anything except safety from you guys ... if you promise to hit them
fe3333au: Yes but if you have cities between us and them ... that should be security enough ... You can also promise them protection from us
sixpackholiday: but that would make us breaking a deal if we don't ... don't like that ... i think this might happen before we've settled coast to coast
fe3333au: If they are not a threat to us ... we will not attack them ... and if you gift them a city on your coast somewhere ... they would not even be near us

Ensure Nut Safety
sixpackholiday: why keep them alive if you hate their guts?
fe3333au: I have a problem with them ... but my team may not ... and I would love to see them dance like little monkey pets ... your pets

Nut Honour
fe3333au: If they have honour they will die like worriors ... and then we may get some refugees
sixpackholiday: that would be fine as long as they don't cave in

MIA to send letter
fe3333au: I am suggesting to MIA that a letter be sent to Nuts ... asking why they don't return our call
sixpackholiday: i'm very interested in keeping TNT in that tech hole
fe3333au: I want Nuts to sign agreement with us ... so they get Masonry
sixpackholiday: yes and we a reason to cancel rep deal
fe3333au: but they get Masonry which is a military tech ... which may help them

HBR
fe3333au: how far away from HBR are they?
sixpackholiday: iirc about 4-5 turns
fe3333au: k ... cos we may pop it from a hut ... do they have any cash?
sixpackholiday: dunno
fe3333au: damn I knew they were in bad shape
sixpackholiday: their power curve is declining fast
fe3333au: I should be happy cos they are Arse holes ... but PWE is a bigger Arse hole
sixpackholiday: second that

Rest of KISS thinking?
fe3333au: any feedback from KISS to your thoughts?
sixpackholiday: Nope ... no one is in
fe3333au: too early or late for the yanks eh?
sixpackholiday: everybody playing cIV maybe LOL ... too early
fe3333au: actually I have noticed that things have slowed down a bit
sixpackholiday: yes...a lot

Multi-Team PBEM
fe3333au: Peter Grimes was proposing that a multi-team pbem CIV IV was started ... before everyone knows how to play
sixpackholiday: good idea...great ... confusion galore
fe3333au: only chance we get ever to do it

Good Civ IV site
fe3333au: I am reading a good site atm about it
sixpackholiday: link please
fe3333au: http://www.kalikokottage.com/civ3/sullla/civ4_walk_3.html
sixpackholiday: thanks
fe3333au: that is page 3 of walk through ... but you can back track
sixpackholiday: aha, sullla's site
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: whomp recommended it
fe3333au: must be good then
sixpackholiday: heh

<Discussion about the Civ IV>

fe3333au: I am editting and posting this chat now
sixpackholiday: ok, just remember, this is so far Daghies thinking, not KISS's
fe3333au: yes Daghie's Disclaimer will be posted
sixpackholiday:
fe3333au: Interesting that we are both now thinking about it
sixpackholiday: music, beer and women?
fe3333au: of course
sixpackholiday: lol, or rather how to prevent TNT from coming back ... or starting a cIV MTDG ... or how to puppet Nuts
fe3333au: all of the above
sixpackholiday: heh

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