fe3333au
Deity
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Doughnut Files - Term 6
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classical_hero
In whom I trust
I think with the change of the guard in the Turn player for Doughtnuts shows that they have chosen a new man for a new role. I think they saw that Robi D was ther man for war and now they have Kuningas who is there man for peace. Well that is my take on the whole situation.
fe3333au
Deity
When chatting to Robi, he said that he wanted to take a back seat role for a while, and who can blame him ... for much of the critical times he was virtually the only person active. So I think that it was Robi's decision, he also mentioned that he is more active in the cIV MTDG atm.
Dnuts are now in anarchy. They have Republic, and they do not have Monarchy. Something disturbing is going on here. Where did they get Republic?
1. They researched it themselves, and they were lying about researching Monarchy. Seems unlikely - what would they gain by lying?
2. They popped Republic from a hut. Possible, but also unlikely - I doubt they had huts left, and if they did, it was much more likely they would have gotten Construction.
3. They got Republic from TNT.
3A. It was part of the peace deal, but TNT delayed for a couple turns to keep MIA from getting suspicious.
3B. TNT sold it for cash or other goodies. I don't think either of these are too likely either. TNT and Dnuts are still not exactly on good terms.
4. They got Republic from KISS.
4A. KISS sold it for cash. Possible, but why wouldn't Dnuts contact us to see if we would give them a lower price?
4B. KISS traded it for Monarchy (when completed). This is my most likely explanation, but it means KISS was willing to give Republic without getting Monarchy immediately (I'm not too happy that they trust Dnuts). Second question - why did Dnuts want Republic instead of Construction? Unfortunately, my most likely explanation is that they are getting both. Republic immediately, followed by Construction upon the delivery of Monarchy.
It will be interesting to see what government Dnuts actually pick - they may be planning to complete Monarchy with scientists while in anarchy. In any case, I expect to see Dnuts with Construction and both KISS and Dnuts with Monarchy soon.
Am I missing anything?
1. They researched it themselves, and they were lying about researching Monarchy. Seems unlikely - what would they gain by lying?
2. They popped Republic from a hut. Possible, but also unlikely - I doubt they had huts left, and if they did, it was much more likely they would have gotten Construction.
3. They got Republic from TNT.
3A. It was part of the peace deal, but TNT delayed for a couple turns to keep MIA from getting suspicious.
3B. TNT sold it for cash or other goodies. I don't think either of these are too likely either. TNT and Dnuts are still not exactly on good terms.
4. They got Republic from KISS.
4A. KISS sold it for cash. Possible, but why wouldn't Dnuts contact us to see if we would give them a lower price?
4B. KISS traded it for Monarchy (when completed). This is my most likely explanation, but it means KISS was willing to give Republic without getting Monarchy immediately (I'm not too happy that they trust Dnuts). Second question - why did Dnuts want Republic instead of Construction? Unfortunately, my most likely explanation is that they are getting both. Republic immediately, followed by Construction upon the delivery of Monarchy.
It will be interesting to see what government Dnuts actually pick - they may be planning to complete Monarchy with scientists while in anarchy. In any case, I expect to see Dnuts with Construction and both KISS and Dnuts with Monarchy soon.
Am I missing anything?
One other possibility, though I can't estimate how likely:
KISS was desperate to get some help squishing us, so the bribed DNUTs with REpublic. DNUT already has a formidable military, which they could land on our shores within 10 turns. This would come at a very bad time if we're also being hit by KISS from the north.
But then, why would DNUTs offer Wines for Ivory? I guess, upon closer examination, my idea doens't really make sense.
Any idea if Kuningas gets along well with anyone on KISS?
KISS was desperate to get some help squishing us, so the bribed DNUTs with REpublic. DNUT already has a formidable military, which they could land on our shores within 10 turns. This would come at a very bad time if we're also being hit by KISS from the north.
But then, why would DNUTs offer Wines for Ivory? I guess, upon closer examination, my idea doens't really make sense.
Any idea if Kuningas gets along well with anyone on KISS?
gbno1fan
Emperor
Have we spoken with Dnuts lately? We should find out what they're up to these days.
Also, with them having a new leader, we need to make sure we're on the same page with him.
Also, with them having a new leader, we need to make sure we're on the same page with him.
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
Yes indeed!
Here's a rough draft for Fe to tinker with
Primary objectives of this letter:
1) Keep the dialogue open and flowing with Dnuts
2) Keep them thinking of us in a positive light (by shameless brown-nosing)
3) Remind them (in a round-about-way) that we have a Strong military
4) Reinforce notions of KISS being unpredictable and militaristic
5) Reaffirm our past good relationship (for Kunigas's benefit)
Other thoughts on this?
Here's a rough draft for Fe to tinker with
Dear Doughnuts,
It's been a bit since we last spoke with you, and we wanted to take a moment to say hi. We also realized we may not have properly thanked you for getting us out of that little jam with the Barbarians. Your generous assistance will not be forgotten! Thank you for being such good friends.
No we are not buttering you up for anything.
In-fact we have good news to report, and wanted you to be the first to know. It seems KISS may be having a change of heart, and they have decided to start talking with us again. (We're sure our jump to "Strong" compared to KISS had no effect on their sudden willingness to talk).
Anyway, it's been quite the rollercoaster ride with KISS. From no problems to aggressive actions and refusal to even respond to letters back to willingness to talk. (Warning: You must be at least 5 feet tall and be able to bend-over backwards to ride this ride!)
Nonetheless, we are once again cautiously optimistic that we will be able to avoid War with the KISS idiots.
Also we are planning on turning our tourist-warrior North, and heading towards TNT land. We must admit, he is sad to be leaving your most welcoming lands for the jungles of the North but duty calls. We know you are now at peace with TNT, but if you ever need information from the north let us know, and we'll be happy to help if we can. Although you obviously know TNT's land more er intimately than we do.
It's a pleasure trading Ivory with you, and we look forward to many more years of peace and cooperation.
All the best from across the Sea,
MIA
Primary objectives of this letter:
1) Keep the dialogue open and flowing with Dnuts
2) Keep them thinking of us in a positive light (by shameless brown-nosing)
3) Remind them (in a round-about-way) that we have a Strong military
4) Reinforce notions of KISS being unpredictable and militaristic
5) Reaffirm our past good relationship (for Kunigas's benefit)
Other thoughts on this?
At first I was a little apprehensive about telling DNUT that we are STRONG to KISS. This info gives DNUT the triangulated info they need to accurately gauge KISS' strength... But then I realized that I was wrong.
The only item I might adjust is the reference to the actual path of the RollerCoaster. We had always told the other teams that KISS was 2 degrees above freezing towards us, in an effort to mask KISSMIA. So the only thing I might adjust:
But honestly, it's such I minor point I'd almost not worry about it.
The only item I might adjust is the reference to the actual path of the RollerCoaster. We had always told the other teams that KISS was 2 degrees above freezing towards us, in an effort to mask KISSMIA. So the only thing I might adjust:
But honestly, it's such I minor point I'd almost not worry about it.
fe3333au
Deity
Draft of Nut letter ... thanks for starting in Gen_W and others.
Greeting Kuningas, Lord of the Doughnuts
I trust that the mantle of leadership hangs well on your shoulders, through Robi_D a strong friendship was forged and we trust that this will continue and become stronger in your reign. We wish him well in his new role.
We apologise for not properly thanking you for the fine vintage wines that you are sending
They are delicious indeed, fruity and sweet, a favourite among the ladies, so much so that you may actually see a boom in our population due to it's effectsWe in turn hope that your women folk enjoy the variety in ivory tusks being sent
Thanks also in clearing the Barbarians that threatened our peaceful wanderer, he sent back wondrous reports of your feathered troops thundering them down under hoof. Your glorious and impressive assistance will not be forgotten
We are planning on turning our tourist-warrior North, and heading towards the ravaged TNT territory. We must admit, he is sad to be leaving your most welcoming lands for the jungles of the North – but duty calls. We know you are now at peace with TNT, but if you ever need information from the north, let us know, and we'll be happy to help if we can. Although you obviously know TNT's land more … err … 'intimately' … than we do.
Although it is too early to open a crate of your wines (the better vintages being 'stored' at the Foreign offices) we do have positive news to report, and wanted you to be the first to know. It seems KISS may be having a change of heart, and they have decided to start talking with us again. We're sure our jump to "Strong" compared to KISS has had no effect what so ever on their sudden willingness to open communication channels
As you know, it's been quite the rollercoaster ride with KISS.
From icy cold detached indifference to the volcanic heat of aggressive action ... from the refusal to even respond to letters to a sudden willingness to talk (albeit with tensions very high)
A Friendly Warning: You must be at least 5 feet tall and be able to bend backwards as the double jointed acrobat to ride this ride!
Nonetheless, we are once again cautiously optimistic that we will be able to avoid War with the KISS idiots.
Regarding diplomacy, do we communicate directly with yourself or is there another that deals with international issues?
We look forward to many more years of peace and cooperation.
All the best from across the Sea
Regards in Peace and at your service.
Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Minister.
Available on AIM (fe3333au) and well as the regular Pigeon Mail.
looks good 
fe3333au
Deity
Send Titled ... Greetings from MIA to Nutters g-mail and Kuningas via PM
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
Very nice work Fe.
gbno1fan
Emperor
You like using smileys, don't you fe?
I must say, though, they add a certain element to your letters. - just like your obsession with
Good job.
I must say, though, they add a certain element to your letters. - just like your obsession with
Good job.
fe3333au
Deity
Raise your glasses a sugar coated pigeon has arrived 
Title ... A message from the doughnuts
Oh by the way ... the case of wine that was mentioned ... ummm woe woe woe ... arrived in a sorry condition ... and no bottle survived intact 
Sad and Bitter News <hic> Indeed
a sugar coated pigeon has arrived Title ... A message from the doughnuts
Nobody said:
Oh by the way ...
the case of wine that was mentioned ... ummm woe woe woe ... arrived in a sorry condition ... and no bottle survived intact Sad and Bitter News <hic> Indeed
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
No bottle survived the trip intact? Or no bottle survived arriving at the Foreign Ministry intact?Fe3333au said:
All in all - this looks to be good news. Dnuts appear to be content to try to build and recover their lost ground domestically. We probably can't count on getting any support against KISS from them... but we shouldn't have to worry (much) about a back-door attack either.
gbno1fan
Emperor
I agree, but think we should attempt to see what it would take to sign a non-agression pact with them.
I only think we want to approach a non-agression discussion if talks with KISS break down. I woulnd't want DNUT's talking to KISS about our conversation, it could spoil things.... or maybe not.
We could always approach it from this angle: Now that your continent is a peace, we want you to know you have nothing to fear from us. Sign this 50(?)-turn peace agreement, and we'll prosper together in security.
We could always approach it from this angle: Now that your continent is a peace, we want you to know you have nothing to fear from us. Sign this 50(?)-turn peace agreement, and we'll prosper together in security.
fe3333au
Deity
Extra Extra Read All About It Doughnut Gazette
Isn't it a bonus when the press leak information which confirms suspicions
The Nuts do indeed have Engineering and are looking to trade with KISS !!!
Isn't it a bonus when the press leak information which confirms suspicions
The Nuts do indeed have Engineering and are looking to trade with KISS !!!
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
So, KISS and Dnuts have traded Engineering, and Dnuts will certainly try to settle and trade Gems and Silks to KISS for Spices and Dyes.
How will MIA/TNT counter this threat?
TNT has made a good start by striking first on colonizing the Silks, but I think we shouldn't just rely on good playing from TNT to counter the KISS/Nut threat.
We need to undermine KISS's relationship with the Dnuts - but How?
If we could get TNT on board, we could pretty easily get a 3-way trading pyramid going that excludes KISS. Dnuts wouldn't even have to promise not to trade with KISS, we could just ensure that KISS never has anything to offer.
But I'm not sure we could get TNT to go for this. Maybe if we propose the 3-way pyramid as a way to get all 3 of us (MIA/TNT/DNUTs) to the industrial age asap, at which point TNT & MIA leap ahead again with our science traits, and THEN we shove Dnuts out into the cold along with KISS.
Again - I'm not at all sure we could work something like this out... I'm just talking, hoping to spark some thoughts on what (if anything) we can do to swing Dnuts away from KISS... and if not into our arms, then at least into a more neutral position.
Thoughts?
How will MIA/TNT counter this threat?
TNT has made a good start by striking first on colonizing the Silks, but I think we shouldn't just rely on good playing from TNT to counter the KISS/Nut threat.
We need to undermine KISS's relationship with the Dnuts - but How?
If we could get TNT on board, we could pretty easily get a 3-way trading pyramid going that excludes KISS. Dnuts wouldn't even have to promise not to trade with KISS, we could just ensure that KISS never has anything to offer.
But I'm not sure we could get TNT to go for this. Maybe if we propose the 3-way pyramid as a way to get all 3 of us (MIA/TNT/DNUTs) to the industrial age asap, at which point TNT & MIA leap ahead again with our science traits, and THEN we shove Dnuts out into the cold along with KISS.
Again - I'm not at all sure we could work something like this out... I'm just talking, hoping to spark some thoughts on what (if anything) we can do to swing Dnuts away from KISS... and if not into our arms, then at least into a more neutral position.
Thoughts?
I think the most realistic outcome will be TNT and MIA trumping KISS's trading options with Dnut- we want to make sure that TNT and MIA are offering things to DNUT that KISS can't match. Of course, the danger with this is that Dnut have the ability to profit from this more that we will. We only profit by the relative backwardsness of KISS, whereas Dnut profit in an absolute sense.
I'm not sure we should try and lock KISS and DNUT from trading techs with eachother. The only way we can do that is if we give DNUT the techs ourselves. The end result is the same - DNUT gets the techs they want.
But we could have more success locking them out of luxury trades. I think that's where we should focus our efforts.
We need to grab that last silk (or TNT needs to). That will force Dnut to look to KISS, MIA, and TNT for an extra luxury or two, and we might be able to make it so that only TNT and MIA are available to trade. There might be some tricky timing - you know, orchestrating the whole 20 turns thing...
I'm really just thinking out loud here. I can't wait to read all the reasons we shouldn't settle the silks on our own
I'm not sure we should try and lock KISS and DNUT from trading techs with eachother. The only way we can do that is if we give DNUT the techs ourselves. The end result is the same - DNUT gets the techs they want.
But we could have more success locking them out of luxury trades. I think that's where we should focus our efforts.
We need to grab that last silk (or TNT needs to). That will force Dnut to look to KISS, MIA, and TNT for an extra luxury or two, and we might be able to make it so that only TNT and MIA are available to trade. There might be some tricky timing - you know, orchestrating the whole 20 turns thing...
I'm really just thinking out loud here. I can't wait to read all the reasons we shouldn't settle the silks on our own
