Turkey is not the Ottoman Empire, just as we are not the Roman Empire and you are definately not the Yugoslavian "Empire".
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Turkey is not the Ottoman Empire, just as we are not the Roman Empire and you are definately not the Yugoslavian "Empire".
Insane_Panda
Deity
Regardless of our friendly relations with the Turkish government, we still do not see the validity in the inclusion of Turkey into the EUROPEAN union.
Had we wished to include Turkey, then we would have renamed the Union. Turkey is in no way a European nation, and should not be allowed within our Union.
Had we wished to include Turkey, then we would have renamed the Union. Turkey is in no way a European nation, and should not be allowed within our Union.
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
The United Nations Secretary General is asking for the European Union to take leadership on the issue of resolution of the Cypriot issue.
jalapeno_dude
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Luxembourg believes that the EU should determine a proposed solution that every EU member agrees with before presenting it to the EU.
Luxembourg believes that the Republic of Cyprus is justified in asking for land to be returned to its rightful owners, and for Turkish forces to withdraw. In addition, the EU is founded on the principle of proportionate voting, and this should be practiced as well.
However, the fourth condition seems excessive. Luxembourg believes that the TRNC's proposal on immigration and citizenship should be supported as a necessary concession. We therefore propose:
draft resolution said:
Thoughts?
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
The Republic of Cyprus would agree to this. However the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyrpus would like to point out that much of the property to be returned under such a scheme is owned by third party nationals, namely British and French.
jalapeno_dude
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In 2004, temporary agreement was reached on the Annam plan, which included provisions for right of return. Though it cannot speak for the governments of the UK and France, Luxembourg believes they are still willing to abide by the provisions in that plan.
knigh+
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That is an interesting mirror image of the opinions of some Middle-Eastern nations about Turkey being too European for MiddleEast. Turkey is both European and Middle Eastern.
While some countries such as yours on both continents prefer to isolate Turkey, we don't see any international result of our EU membership other than increased level of relations between EU and Middle East.
As of now, EU does not have any members that are also OIC member. But perhaps more importantly, Turkey is a prominent member of ECO, which is a trade organization that is a potential market for EU, of 300million people outside Turkey.
We applied for membership because we did not see any EU criterion that we will be unable to satisfy. If there are unwritten/unofficial criteria that prevents our membership, we would prefer that you express these in your official regulations as well.
As secretary General Germany would like to propose an actual resolution to settle the matter of Cyprus and Turkish membership at once.
The Dresden Proposal (if we keep going with names of cities why not...).
1. The draft resolution will be adopted, namely:
I. All property seized in the split of the island between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot communities shall be returned to its rightful owners.
II. Turkish forces shall immediately withdraw from the island.
III. A system of direct proportional voting shall be used in the re-unified Republic of Cyprus. The first elections shall be held January 1st, 2009.
IV. Citizenship shall be granted to any Turkish immigrant who arrived on the island on or before December 31st, 2000, as well as those born on the island in the meantime. All Turkish immigrants who arrived after December 31st, 2000 shall return to Turkey.
2. Turkish membership in the EU will not even be considered until the Republic of Cyprus is reunified. Then and only then will we consider your nation for membership.
Now is not the time to argue over whether we should even consider you as you may or may not be European. It is Germanies view that your impact on European history is extensive and as such you shouldnt be dismissed out of hand. However Cyprus must be reunified.
We shall not stand down from this position.
The Dresden Proposal (if we keep going with names of cities why not...).
1. The draft resolution will be adopted, namely:
I. All property seized in the split of the island between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot communities shall be returned to its rightful owners.
II. Turkish forces shall immediately withdraw from the island.
III. A system of direct proportional voting shall be used in the re-unified Republic of Cyprus. The first elections shall be held January 1st, 2009.
IV. Citizenship shall be granted to any Turkish immigrant who arrived on the island on or before December 31st, 2000, as well as those born on the island in the meantime. All Turkish immigrants who arrived after December 31st, 2000 shall return to Turkey.
2. Turkish membership in the EU will not even be considered until the Republic of Cyprus is reunified. Then and only then will we consider your nation for membership.
Now is not the time to argue over whether we should even consider you as you may or may not be European. It is Germanies view that your impact on European history is extensive and as such you shouldnt be dismissed out of hand. However Cyprus must be reunified.
We shall not stand down from this position.
jalapeno_dude
AKA Panda Judo Eel
OOC: Actually, only treaties have names of cities. This is a resolution (Resolution #5, I believe).
Luxembourg submits the following non-substantial amendments to Resolution #5 (OOC: fixing grammar and the like):
Revised Resolution #5:
1. The following resolution shall be adopted by the European Union and submitted to the Security Council by an EU representative:
I. All property seized in the split of the island between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot communities shall be returned to its rightful owners.
II. Turkish forces shall immediately withdraw from the island.
III. A system of direct proportional voting shall be used in the re-unified Republic of Cyprus. The first elections shall be held January 1st, 2009.
IV. Citizenship shall be granted to any Turkish immigrant who arrived on the island on or before December 31st, 2000, as well as those born on the island in the meantime. All Turkish immigrants who arrived after December 31st, 2000 shall return to Turkey.
2. The EU shall not recommence procedures for the admission of Turkey into the European Union until such time as the island of Cyprus is reunified.
Luxembourg votes yes on Resolution #5.
OOC: If this passes, Belgium (NPC) or Italy (Azale) should introduce this in the Security Council.
Luxembourg submits the following non-substantial amendments to Resolution #5 (OOC: fixing grammar and the like):
Revised Resolution #5:
1. The following resolution shall be adopted by the European Union and submitted to the Security Council by an EU representative:
I. All property seized in the split of the island between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot communities shall be returned to its rightful owners.
II. Turkish forces shall immediately withdraw from the island.
III. A system of direct proportional voting shall be used in the re-unified Republic of Cyprus. The first elections shall be held January 1st, 2009.
IV. Citizenship shall be granted to any Turkish immigrant who arrived on the island on or before December 31st, 2000, as well as those born on the island in the meantime. All Turkish immigrants who arrived after December 31st, 2000 shall return to Turkey.
2. The EU shall not recommence procedures for the admission of Turkey into the European Union until such time as the island of Cyprus is reunified.
Luxembourg votes yes on Resolution #5.
OOC: If this passes, Belgium (NPC) or Italy (Azale) should introduce this in the Security Council.
knigh+
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It might be logical to get the first item of resolution5 to be voted in both sides of the island before EU votes on it. It wouldn't be nice of EU if it dictates a solution against the will of the inhabitants of the island.
On the other hand one might argue the two peoples in Cyprus will never agree on a single solution, therefore dictating a solution is necessary.
We also request the second item of the resolution to be rephrased as "The EU shall not recommence procedures for the admission of Turkey into the European Union until such time as the problem of Cyprus is solved". Greek Cyprus already prevented the last unification plan from taking effect. We don't see why we should be punished again if they once more choose to keep the island divided.
On the other hand one might argue the two peoples in Cyprus will never agree on a single solution, therefore dictating a solution is necessary.
We also request the second item of the resolution to be rephrased as "The EU shall not recommence procedures for the admission of Turkey into the European Union until such time as the problem of Cyprus is solved". Greek Cyprus already prevented the last unification plan from taking effect. We don't see why we should be punished again if they once more choose to keep the island divided.
The United Kingdom
The Government has no claims over the land and will allow the people to have the land. As well the United Kingdom put full support behind the The Dresden Proposal. As well when the proposal is carried out we will certainly put our support behind Turkey in joining the EU.
On other subjects we will vote yes on the Resolution #5:.
ooc I am finding it hard to now what is to be voted on. Tyrion can you on the first page have something on proposals to be voted on?
The Government has no claims over the land and will allow the people to have the land. As well the United Kingdom put full support behind the The Dresden Proposal. As well when the proposal is carried out we will certainly put our support behind Turkey in joining the EU.
On other subjects we will vote yes on the Resolution #5:.
ooc I am finding it hard to now what is to be voted on. Tyrion can you on the first page have something on proposals to be voted on?
knigh+
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Turks came to Europe much before Europeans colonized the Americas. Do you also view all white peoples in the Americas as foreign invaders?
jalapeno_dude
AKA Panda Judo Eel
Noting a lack of dissenting opinions concerning its draft proposal, Luxembourg proposes the Treaty of Laeken (OOC: the city in Belgium where the Draft EU constitution was first proposed):
I. Per provision I of Resolution #4, the following parts of the EU Constitution, consisting of the essential tenets of the European Union, are to be adopted as the Treaty of Laeken, to be ratified by December 31st, 2007:
1. The Preamble,
2. Part I titles I (DEFINITION AND OBJECTIVES OF THE UNION), II (FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND CITIZENSHIP OF THE UNION) , IV (THE UNION'S INSTITUTIONS AND BODIES), VI (THE DEMOCRATIC LIFE OF THE UNION), and VIII (THE UNION AND ITS NEIGHBOURS), and
3. All of Part II (THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE UNION).
II. Per Article II of Resolution #4, the following parts of the EU Constitution shall be discussed at the Consitutional Convention to be held by December 31st, 2009:
1. Titles III, V, and VI, dealing with competences and finances,
2. Part III (THE POLICIES AND FUNCTIONING OF THE UNION), and
3. Part IV (GENERAL AND FINAL PROVISIONS).
Luxembourg ratifies the Treaty of Laeken.
OOC: Sheep, we need votes on Resolution 5 and the Treaty of Laeken.
I. Per provision I of Resolution #4, the following parts of the EU Constitution, consisting of the essential tenets of the European Union, are to be adopted as the Treaty of Laeken, to be ratified by December 31st, 2007:
1. The Preamble,
2. Part I titles I (DEFINITION AND OBJECTIVES OF THE UNION), II (FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND CITIZENSHIP OF THE UNION) , IV (THE UNION'S INSTITUTIONS AND BODIES), VI (THE DEMOCRATIC LIFE OF THE UNION), and VIII (THE UNION AND ITS NEIGHBOURS), and
3. All of Part II (THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE UNION).
II. Per Article II of Resolution #4, the following parts of the EU Constitution shall be discussed at the Consitutional Convention to be held by December 31st, 2009:
1. Titles III, V, and VI, dealing with competences and finances,
2. Part III (THE POLICIES AND FUNCTIONING OF THE UNION), and
3. Part IV (GENERAL AND FINAL PROVISIONS).
Luxembourg ratifies the Treaty of Laeken.
OOC: Sheep, we need votes on Resolution 5 and the Treaty of Laeken.
Insane_Panda
Deity
France will vote YES on Resolution #5, in the interests of attaining peace on the island of Cyprus. However, we will continue in our firm opposition to any attempts at Turkish membership in our Union. Our position is not anything against the Turkish government itself, but rather our position is against the expansion of this Union beyond what is viewed as EUROPEAN.
Turkey, though it has had an impact on European History, is decidedly not European. Its originates from the Middle East, and its culture is decidedly middle-eastern in nature. Turkey is, undoubtably, a nation of that region and is not in the view of France a nation of Europe. If our Union was not European, then we would welcome Turkey, but as it stands, our union is a EUROPEAN UNION.
(OOC:I am assuming that membership requires unanimaty in voting?)
Turkey, though it has had an impact on European History, is decidedly not European. Its originates from the Middle East, and its culture is decidedly middle-eastern in nature. Turkey is, undoubtably, a nation of that region and is not in the view of France a nation of Europe. If our Union was not European, then we would welcome Turkey, but as it stands, our union is a EUROPEAN UNION.
(OOC:I am assuming that membership requires unanimaty in voting?)
Insane_Panda
Deity
Also, since France will be assuming the Presidency of the EU next turn, I will be making a new thread. I just want to re-organize a few things and tidy it up.
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