NiNES: A Broken Galaxy

Okay, almost Ready to send orders, but need to ask the Mod a few Questions.

but his inbox is full, so I'll wait. say when you clear it!

I'm almost ready too, have the spending set up, but I'd like an answer from Symphony and a resolution between the Furians and Kalians over the negotiations I suggested there.

Edit: Oh, and a reply on the project proposal.

Sorry about that PM box, you'd think with a 200 PM limit I'd be able to stay clear of that roof, but no... It's down to 40 now anyway, so bring it on!

From: The people of Lacaille*

To: Democratic Autarchy of Huris

We will give you the benefit of doubt in that you did not know of our existance. We find it somewhat wierd though, and it does not speak very highly of you that your first thoughts when coming to a system, any system, has not been to search long and hard for any survivors. But be that as it may, it does not matter much now. What does matter is that you somehow think that you, and not us, have the legal rights to our planet, the planet where we have been toiling for the past decades. What are we then, the Cherokee of the space age, inconvenient people who just happen to live where you've drawn your claims on a map?

We will welcome your ships and delegates, we will accept any aid given, simply because it would be foolish to do elsewise. But do not presume that you own us, or our home. We are free people, we choose our own destiny.

To: U.S.C. and Sol
Why will you not recognize our desire to be a part of the Commonwealth?

* Sent with the help of U.S.C. forces present.

From: United Planetary Nations Council of Sol
To: Nekomi Empire
CC: Wideband

It is an unfortunate fact of life that people are not always satisfied with their lot. However, history has shown that the proper way to avoid and face such difficulties is through the creation and use of proper channels between the disaffected and those in power to deal with such dissatisfaction. Such channels were clearly not in place during the recent events at Rana, or if they were, they were not utilized.

It is important to distinguish between when the protests of a people are legitimate and when they are violent. In that regard, the protestors in Rana system were out of line; but so too were the Rana Defense Forces in their response. As a result, numerous casualties have occured. This is unacceptable to us, and to the principles we stand for. It is the responsibility of government and its subordinate military to safeguard the citizens over which it watches. When these instruments are turned against the very people they were established to protect one cannot help but believe the initial public outburst, however severe, was perhaps not without justification.

Accordingly, we have asked the United Systems Commonwealth to suspend all Nekomi space travel through its systems indefinitely until the situation is resolved to our satisfaction. We will not allow such flagrant humanitarian abuses to occur without repercussions.

In light of the situation, we have three simple requirements:
Given this police action and previous existing sentiments, Rana is allowed a new referendum to determine whether it remains with the Nekomi Empire, opts for independence, or chooses to join the U.S.C.. This will be monitored by all factions interested in so doing.
Regardless of the outcome of the above, the Nekomi Empire will take steps to permit its citizens greater expression of political freedom and develop systems for allowing them to voice their greivances to prevent such calamity.
The Nekomi Empire will pledge to develop and implement civilian police agencies with civilian oversight to prevent direct military action against its own citizens in the future and to avoid similar such abuses of power.

The UPNCS is fully prepared to assist the Nekomi Empire by providing advice and counsel in executing political reforms necessary to ensure the prosecution of the second and third terms. Should all the above conditions be met, we will advise the USC to repeal its current blockade.

To: Wideband
From: Colonial Federation of Sezuren

In the interests of International Peace, and Comity, the Colonial Federation of Sezuren hereby states an interest in these matters:

First, the CFS does not believe that a secondary referendum is necessary. While, the facts on the planet are certainly troubling, the CFS must stress that it was the rioters who violated the peace, committed acts of violence, crime, and destruction. The Nekomi utilized force as a last resort, a resort which is well recognized as being legitimate when necessary. A new referendum will simply open old wounds from previous international conflicts, raise tensions on the international level, and cause more hardship for people whose lives are affected.

Second, the second and third conditions the USC demands upon the Nekomi are on the verge of violating the fundamental principles of international law of state soveriegnty. Absent an international obligation, such as through a treaty, the USC should not impose duties upon a state, especially regarding municipal laws and legal process, of another state.

Third, to the USC, and the entity of UPNCS, it is of importance that the customs of international relations be adhered to. As such, we voice our displeasure at the USC according a non-state actor the level and voice of an international entity. We have no problem with UPNCS voices concerns to the USC government overwhich it has dominion, but to allow the UPNCS to step up to the international level and create demands is in bad form. We strongly urge the USC to train its subsidiary governments and state department in appropriate diplomatic dialogue, including who is recognized as an entity on the international level (from this point forward, the CFS will not recognize statements or demands from the UPNCS and requests all other states to do so as well).*

Notwithstanding these concerns,

And wishing to avoid this issue getting out of control,

The CFS proposes the following:

1) A suspension of all trade sanctions, diplomatic sanctions, from all parties interested, pending an investigation into the rioting at Rana. The investigation team shall be chosen to compose persons from one or several interested nations. The investigation shall report to interested parties its findings.

2) Therewith, if it is found that the rioting was caused directly, and by the action of Nekomi state actors, violations of negative obligations of customary international law, then interested parties will be free to impose trade and diplomatic sanctions.

3) Assurances by the Nekomi and USC to not use military sanctions in response to this incident.

4) The CFS hereby offers to the Nekomi to send a contingent of forces to help stabalize the planet, protect civilians, and maintain peace and order, as long as deemed necessary.

5) The CFS also offers to arbitrate this dispute.


* To further bolster our point. We direct the international community's attention to the agreement between Sol and the USC, wherin, "dictating its own domestic policies while defering to the U.S.C. in foreign and military matters." Thus, by declaring, on its own intiative and violating the principles of sovereignty, the UPNCS has violated the terms of its agreement with the USC. Further evidence a need for the USC to rectify this problem.

we agree with the Colonials On Point One, but are utterly confused by the USC's request concerning Point to, and somewhat on Point three. we have no regulation at all on who runs for which office in the government, baring the fact that the person running must be a citizen of the Star-nations of Nekomi, and two, that they Submit to a fully publicly disclosed Fast-Penta* Interrogation, thus allowing the citizens to know of any major crimes the politician has committed in the past.*

We also making Progress to Partial Meet their demands concerning the redevelopment, via re-establishment of the System defenses and Orbital yards ahead of Schedule.
though the plans for the Redevelopment of Rana's industry, and Indeed all other system's in the Star-nations of Nekomi, are public Access and are set in stone for the next 5 years, we will accelerate them slightly, for this year only.

We also take Exception to the UPNCS Imperialistic Views of us, via their addressing us as the Nekomi Empire. we are most ademently NOT an Empire.
we are the Star-Nations of Nekomi.

*Fast-Penta, also known as babble drug. a form of Truth serum, it renders a person unable to not reply to a question, and induces in them a tendency to babble what is on their mind.

*politicians can not be prosecuted for crimes confessed under this interrogation until he/she fails to get elected, or the end of his/her term, with the exception of Treason.

From: Emergents of Providence:
To: Wideband to interested parties of the Nekomi-USC dispute (I have this feeling that Kalia, for instance, doesn't much care)

The Emergents are in general agreement with the Colonial Federation of Sezuren, in that a second referendum will lead to little else than a cascade of referendums, the losing side each time demanding a new referendum a year later or when events swing in their favor.

TO: Colonial Federation of Sezuren, Emergents, Nekomi
CC: Wideband
FROM: United Systems Commonwealth

Nekomi said:

we agree with the Colonials On Point One, but are utterly confused by the USC's request concerning Point to, and somewhat on Point three.

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Then the USC must inquire as to how the situation on Rana devolved so badly over the span of several years and ended in the unnecessary termination of life of multiple citizens if such practices are indeed in place.

CFS said:

The Nekomi utilized force as a last resort, a resort which is well recognized as being legitimate when necessary.

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"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
- Declaration of Independence, Datalinks

When a government does not provide adequate means for proper redress of greivances, it is no wonder that the people will revolt against it. Indeed, human history is demonstrative that in such instances, they are legally and morally justified in so doing. That the populace of Rana has been discontented for several years, and has not had its greivances redressed, is demonstrative of the Nekomi government's inability or inattention in dealing with the problems of its citizens. Although they may have broken the law, so too did George Washington, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King.

That in this age of technology blood was shed and several lives lost in the restoration of order amongst a lightly armed civilian population is an unacceptable response in the eyes of this government no matter what laws may have been broken. Lethal force is not a valid option against such limited opposition, and it speaks to the poor status of the Nekomi security forces based in the system both as regards their training, equipment, and administrative operation as well.

CFS said:

Second, the second and third conditions the USC demands upon the Nekomi are on the verge of violating the fundamental principles of international law of state soveriegnty.

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And exactly what international law is the CFS citing? The only authority currently in existence on international space law is the UPNCS, being the only direct, legitimate continuation of an organization which predates the Scourge and issued rulings on such matters. Or, is the CFS presuming that the UPNCS is violating its own precepts? And then, for what purpose does it allege it is doing so? The USC has reviewed the statues on such matters and its legal experets have seen no reason for their dismissal. We are more than willing to allow full transparency of our findings to whatever faction might be interested in seeing the relevent materials.

CFS said:

We direct the international community's attention to the agreement between Sol and the USC, wherin, "dictating its own domestic policies while defering to the U.S.C. in foreign and military matters." Thus, by declaring, on its own intiative and violating the principles of sovereignty, the UPNCS has violated the terms of its agreement with the USC. Further evidence a need for the USC to rectify this problem

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The USC has already noted its decision to adhere to all UPNCS declared laws, referendums, and international decisions, with the election to restrain the execution of these decisions by its own means*. Perhaps the CFS government has not been doing its data-mining thoroughly enough.

CFS said:

(from this point forward, the CFS will not recognize statements or demands from the UPNCS and requests all other states to do so as well).

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That is both hypocritical in light of former diplomatic precedent by all core nations and furthermore not an option unless you wish to ignore USC policy as well, which would not be wise.

Emergents said:

The Emergents are in general agreement with the Colonial Federation of Sezuren, in that a second referendum will lead to little else than a cascade of referendums, the losing side each time demanding a new referendum a year later or when events swing in their favor.

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It is the opinion of the USC government that that is the process commonly known as "Democracy." We believe Emergent Datalinks may contain an entry on the concept.

The USC, until a Resolution to the contrary by the UPNCS, will maintain its blockade of all systems under its control leading to Nekomi space in response to the needless loss of life percipitated by its defense forces on Rana** until such time as that matter has been resolved satisfactorally, although it makes no statements on what constitutes such a resolution of the situation at this time pending statements by the UPNCS. It will be noted that any attempt to violate USC space in violation of this blockade will be considered a hostile and aggressive action against the USC and all necessary defensive actions will be taken to repulse such an incursion.

OOC: * Imagine, if you will, the United Nations (and the World Court and so on), and its constituent nations, only not crappy or weak, and there being only one subcomponent. It makes statements and policy. It doesn't execute them. Separation of powers.

** Also, no, this isn't out of precedent; ever hear of Tiananmen Square?

P.S. Ya'll fail. Did I post those demands? No. Did I demand the blockade on the Nekomi? No. So don't call them USC demands, because if you'll notice, the USC isn't issuing them, just executing them. It's hard to negotiate with people who can't even get their facts right.

I'll get to Lacaille later.

It is the opinion of the USC government that that is the process commonly known as "Democracy." We believe Emergent Datalinks may contain an entry on the concept.

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It is the opinion of the Emergents that sarcastic misinterpretations are not the process commonly known as "Diplomacy". We believe that USC Datalinks may contain information on the relation between "Democracy" and "Localized demands to ignore legitimate authority".
OOC: In other words, Texas v. White, in which the United States Supreme Court 'held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".'
And to note that the self-declared independence of Sealand does not cause it to appear at the United Nations.

Symphony D. said:

P.S. Ya'll fail. Did I post those demands? No. Did I demand the blockade on the Nekomi? No. So don't call them USC demands, because if you'll notice, the USC isn't issuing them, just executing them. It's hard to negotiate with people who can't even get their facts right.

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OOC: As Massive Attack noted, this sort of puts the UNPCS in a bind with regards to their agreement with the USC, though.

Erik Mesoy said:

OOC: In other words, Texas v. White, in which the United States Supreme Court 'held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".'
And to note that the self-declared independence of Sealand does not cause it to appear at the United Nations.

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OOC: Which has nothing to do with anything given of course no single government of whatever principles will generally allow its component parts to disinvest themselves of that government. Furthermore, Texas v. White's final ruling contained the statement:

The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration, or revocation, except through revolution, or through consent of the States.

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Which generally falls precisely in line with what the Declaration of Independence says, which is rather amazing considering that document is nothing more than effectively a manifesto, and is in no way legally binding. Thus, your argument on this point is overly generalized as regards the Supreme Court's findings.

And really, Sealand? Sealand? Is some crazy family that brawled with squaters for control of an old defense installation the best you can do? Disneyworld would be a better example. Nor are UN criteria exactly permitting of automatic entry regardless of the declared state of an entity, particularly given far more substantial entities than Sealand aren't included in its ranks, making it a rather poor reference point in so limited a geopolitical scope as this game.

Please people, don't bring this into yet another long-winded OOC discussion on real-world legalities. Discuss things IC, or don't discuss. We all know what happened last time.

Gotcha, Niklas.

From: Emergents of Providence
To: Magistracy of Capella
We thank you for assisting us in resolving the situation in Mira so amicably.

Niklas said:

Please people, don't bring this into yet another long-winded OOC discussion on real-world legalities. Discuss things IC, or don't discuss. We all know what happened last time.

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What happened last time? We resolved the discussion? I dont remember mods barging in.

Symphony D. said:

TO: Colonial Federation of Sezuren, Emergents, Nekomi
CC: Wideband
FROM: United Systems Commonwealth


Then the USC must inquire as to how the situation on Rana devolved so badly over the span of several years and ended in the unnecessary termination of life of multiple citizens if such practices are indeed in place.

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we have no clue ourselves, since there were no signs before last year. we do have several susepisions, most from the fact that the rioters had access to several heavy weapons, but we will not bring them up.

And exactly what international law is the CFS citing? The only authority currently in existence on international space law is the UPNCS, being the only direct, legitimate continuation of an organization which predates the Scourge and issued rulings on such matters. Or, is the CFS presuming that the UPNCS is violating its own precepts? And then, for what purpose does it allege it is doing so? The USC has reviewed the statues on such matters and its legal experts have seen no reason for their dismissal. We are more than willing to allow full transparency of our findings to whatever faction might be interested in seeing the relevant materials.

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the UNPCS is a state within your nation. It is not an international Authority, and until such time as all star-nations agree to so, we will not recognize it as such. we will respond to it's policy only after you make it your own, in response to you. not them.

we also wish to wonder what your other systems think of this subservient staus.

The USC, until a Resolution to the contrary by the UPNCS, will maintain its blockade of all systems under its control leading to Nekomi space in response to the needless loss of life precipitated by its defense forces on Rana** until such time as that matter has been resolved satisfactorily, although it makes no statements on what constitutes such a resolution of the situation at this time pending statements by the UPNCS. It will be noted that any attempt to violate USC space in violation of this blockade will be considered a hostile and aggressive action against the USC and all necessary defensive actions will be taken to repulse such an incursion.

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fine by us. your blockade is at worst, a minor inconvinenc. as long as you have no desire to violate our sovereignty, we don't really care. while the disconnection between Sirus and Banard is a potential problem, It will be solved by the end of next year, and then your blockade will be no inconvinenc at all. for now, It is but a minor logistical problem, and Banard is developed enough to provide it's own and Ross's needs.
good day, and we hope you come to your senses soon.

OOC: * Imagine, if you will, the United Nations (and the World Court and so on), and its constituent nations, only not crappy or weak, and there being only one subcomponent. It makes statements and policy. It doesn't execute them. Separation of powers.

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OOC: nope, can't see it. UNPCS is no UN. it has no authority. to gain such authority, it would require investment as such by at least 2/3 of the major powers, and give them vote on it's policy It has not been geven such, and I can not see it being given such while it is part of the USC.

P.S. Ya'll fail. Did I post those demands? No. Did I demand the blockade on the Nekomi? No. So don't call them USC demands, because if you'll notice, the USC isn't issuing them, just executing them. It's hard to negotiate with people who can't even get their facts right.

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OOC: they are part of the USC, so they are your demands. just because you have no control over one of your systems, and decide to be subservient to them, don't blame us.

Cleric said:

What happened last time? We resolved the discussion? I dont remember mods barging in.

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We decided to shut up before we ruined the NES....

or some of us did, anyways

IC:
From: The Confederacy of Kalia
To: Wideband

The Confederacy of Kalia reprimands the UPNCS for overstepping it's powers in relation to the USC. The Confederacy would also like to emphasize that only two possible scenarios in the Nekomi-UPNCS(+USC) conflict can be proper judgements.

1. The Nekomi were justified in that they have sovereignity over Rana and the only negative consequences their government may be deserving would be in regards an overly heavy-handed response from the defense forces, which is certainly does not necessitate a blockade.

2. The people of Rana are justified in their attempts to free themselves of "unjust government". However, other nations have no right to interfere with the internal politics of the Nekomi, and if the people of Rana desire revolution, they bring it upon themselves. No other nation has the rights to react in any manner to this conflict unless the people of Rana declare a state of rebellion and specifically request military aid...which constitutes a declaration of war.

Unless the other sovereign nations of the galaxy desire such a declaration, it is recommended they leave the domestic affairs of other nations alone until such time as they are called upon to do otherwise.

OOC:

Yes Erik, I'm interested

"Business? Mankind is my business. Their common welfare is my business."

...within legal limits, of course

OOC:

I'll respond to PMs as fast as I can and I'll get orders in the next 24 hours or so. However, I've had a lot to add to the tech tree and RL is a killer, so time is a bit tight ATM. Be patient however, and I'll get to you.

To Emergents, NAM
From Furians

We have investigated the incident surrounding Acrux, We have discovered that the Emergent laid claim to it first verbally. So they hold the right to kick you out if they so choose. If you choose to peacefully leave Acrux we, the Furians, will leave Kruger. I hope this will help prevent a war.

To UPNSCWideband (to those who are interested in this)
From Furians

We know of no International Orginization and therefore believe that the UPNCS are conducting an act of war against those who trade or pass through the systems affected, by blockading the system.

Several nations have already said that they have no desire or no plans to help the "rebellion" in Rana, so you should not be expecting any force of any kind to side with Rana and fight against you. If they do, then you have an excuse to blockade the system.

We ask you nicely before things get out of hand to please stop your blockade or we will side with Nekomi. Consider this your only warning.

From: The people of Lacaille*

To: Democratic Autarchy of Huris

We will give you the benefit of doubt in that you did not know of our existance. We find it somewhat wierd though, and it does not speak very highly of you that your first thoughts when coming to a system, any system, has not been to search long and hard for any survivors. But be that as it may, it does not matter much now. What does matter is that you somehow think that you, and not us, have the legal rights to our planet, the planet where we have been toiling for the past decades. What are we then, the Cherokee of the space age, inconvenient people who just happen to live where you've drawn your claims on a map?

We will welcome your ships and delegates, we will accept any aid given, simply because it would be foolish to do elsewise. But do not presume that you own us, or our home. We are free people, we choose our own destiny.

To: U.S.C. and Sol
Why will you not recognize our desire to be a part of the Commonwealth?

* Sent with the help of U.S.C. forces present.

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We do not desire to commit the abuses of peoples of the past.

Would you be willing to allow us to build a settlement on your planet? In return, we will help your people redevelop to the space age and recognize your people as independent (or as part of the USC, though that situation would be little different than being part of the DAH, other than your differing first impressions of our nations).

Negotiation is always possible, of course.

Naturally, all negotiation is good.

germanicus12 said:

To Emergents, NAM
From Furians

We have investigated the incident surrounding Acrux, We have discovered that the Emergent laid claim to it first verbally. So they hold the right to kick you out if they so choose. If you choose to peacefully leave Acrux we, the Furians, will leave Kruger. I hope this will help prevent a war.

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We explored the system first and had a presence there for several years prior to the Emergent claim. Since we both have claims, peaceful cohabitation seems the best course of action to us and we'd suggest it to the emergents if they hadn't cut diplomatic links.