King of the World #2: Frederick

Well, you don't have a real choice now about Hatty... She dared to try to win , so it must be destroyed. Not much to say: troops , troops , troops and some more troops. And if you have extra time, some more troops. Don't trust too much on Cyrus: he must be finishing his Apollo too, so it must be crushed as well.
In resume: you decided to live by the sword.....You know the rest

P:S : beware of Monty... He's furious with you and you know how hard is to bribe Monty to a War

Hatty's gotta go, Neal. Just pump out the Panzers and you'll be ok.

Sorry to hear about Dr. Scout

and congrats to r_rolo1 for nearly getting 1000 posts!

Coming out of hiding.... Great thread Neal. Loved Monty's thread too. Can't wait to see the world map in a hundred years

If there is a lot of war in your future, you need to run to Fascism for Police state and Mt. Rushmore (if still available). Get jails in cities soon, too.

Good luck

RockTheCazbah87 said:

and congrats to r_rolo1 for nearly getting 1000 posts!

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Like a well know forum member with a "hello Kitty" avatar ( I give you 3 shots to guess who ) would say, I ramble a lot but I still feel like a noob about the game ( well , atleast sometimes ). Will try to post more and better things in the future .....

r_rolo1 said:

Like a well know forum member with a "hello Kitty" avatar ( I give you 3 shots to guess who ) would say, I ramble a lot but I still feel like a noob about the game ( well , atleast sometimes ). Will try to post more and better things in the future .....

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You still talk more sense than me a lot of the time.

Let's see how fast you get to 2,000 eh?

How is the german navy compared w/hattys? It will be very easy i think for her to drop troops on your weakest coastal cities doorsteps. Other than that, I like the production que's of your cities. Plenty of Panzers online along with what's about to be rolling off the factory floors to do the job. I say go for it now. You should be able to use the 'real' blitzkrieg w/bombers and tanks on persia when your done w/her. This game is great to watch. Good work, Neal.

I've started the next round, and let me just say that Panzers are WAY too much fun. It's 1830 now, and Egypt has ceased to be a world power. I mean, sure, she's still on the map, but we're down to mop-up duty. I'm seriously thinking of just doing what needs to be done to vassalize her and then setting my sights on Cyrus. I just have one question....








Should I go nuclear?

I have just one answer:
YES!!!!

Might as well let the nukes fly .. I'm pretty sure the AI's will build nukes themselves too and may use them. Domination will be tough but certainly fun to try. Make sure Roosevelt and Monty are backwards because if they starts the spaceship, it's tougher to stop.

Neal, nukes are fun..... but Global warming is not. Be sure that you have almost all you need before the desert tiles start to pop up. Besides that, good nuking ( I'm finishing a game where I won with a nuclear doomsday between me and ZY while my SS was cruising to Alpha centauri ( BTS, of course ... the guy was preparing to invade me so I obliterated his naval task force with some tactical nukes before it landed ) ). And remember to post ALL those nice screenshots with that pretty mushroom cloud

Played Round 12. Sadly, the United Nations had some objections to our "going nuclear." I'll write it up in the morning. For now, I'm going to sleep.

Neal said:

Played Round 12. Sadly, the United Nations had some objections to our "going nuclear." I'll write it up in the morning. For now, I'm going to sleep.

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I was going to post something about the UN when I first replied, buy I thought it shouldn't be a problem. Now I see I'm wrong.

Nevertheless... Easy to say. Probably hard to do. But...
Raze it!

Time to get our hands dirty.

One thing I have to say about Egypt: It's nicely linear for us. Start with Turkey, go down through the Holy Land, and into Africa.



Asyut burned. I'd rather capture mature cities.

In 1810, we got some bad news:



No big deal. It's not exactly like we needed that city, anyway. Let Hatty deal with the Malinese cultural pressure.

Heliopolis, though (the city in central Turkey) was a much different story:



Check out this bounty:



Happiness and free specialists in every city? And Versailles? Yes, please! Mark Twain settled the unrest. It ended up getting the western half of its BFC (Cyrus dominated its east, even after the culture bomb) and settling down around 8 population.

I sent a suicide cavalry to scout the defenses of Thebes:



Not terrible, but all those Artillery should have set off a bit more of a red flag than they did.

I sent in my stack, and...



Lost six or seven Panzers. Not crippling (I was producing two or three a turn at this point), but annoying, especially considering that I should have seen it coming from a mile away.

This did, though, expose the Artillery. Our next stack took the hill (for good this time) and prepared take the Egyptian capitol:



You can see a couple of interesting things in this shot. First, you can see Cathy laying siege to Avaris, to the south (she's welcome to it) and a couple of transports offloading Tanks on the north coast. There was quite a series of battles for the Mediterranean. We had to rebuild more than a few seafood resources, and suffered starvation from Athens to Madrid. Our Drydocks cities (Athens and Antium) started pumping Destroyers and Battleships, though, and we finally managed to establish Mare Nostrum.

We found another fist full of wonders in Thebes:



Most of them obsolete, but it's nice to have the free health to go with the free happiness.

Sinan was born around this time and quickly went to sleep in Berlin. I'm thinkin' Eiffel Tower with him.

Observe: The one time I actually got to make use of the Panzer as a Panzer:



This was literally the only time in the entire war that we had armor-on-armor action. The rest of the conflict, the unique units may as well have been basic tanks. Ah, well.

The following screenshot is more funny than helpful. Here's the stack I'd used in the battle against Arabia, finally showing up to the party. Oh, I forgot to mention: Early in the round, Saladin gave up and recapitulated to Persia.

In 1822, we took Elephantine, Hattie's last stronghold on the shore of the Mediterranean:



No wonders, but decent infrastructure. I'll take it.

In the next screenshot, you'll see the end of the Egyptian navy:



Hattie did sneak out a destroyer to wreak some havoc on the North Sea, but that was strictly mop-up duty.

In fact, almost everything at this point was mop-up duty:



I now had the ability to teach my horsemen how to fly (effectively making horses useless- they should become a happiness resource or something after you have flight and rocketry) and started on the secrets of Nuclear Weapons!

Hattie sent her last ditch stack to try to do some damage:



Needless to say, it didn't do a whole heck of a lot.

Suddenly, this pops up:



Oh, lord. So Elizabeth went and built it, huh? Why, exactly? She had no shot at winning the election. I even voted for her, trying to play spoiler (she could be controlled a little more easily than Cyrus with his harem of vassals). To no avail, though. Cyrus took control.

Memphis was the next to die:



And, yes, my stack of tanks is getting a little excessive. I have another 10 or so in Moscow, waiting for the strike on Persia.

Memphis held two Temples: Solomon and Artemis. The latter I could care less about, but the former gave me 46 gold per turn, so I'll take it.

I continued marching south through Africa, taking cities, constantly checking for capitulation. I was starting to get nervous that Hattie might bow to Cyrus and force a peace.

Speaking of forced peace, in 1838, the world (that being EVERYBODY but me- including my freakin' vassals) voted to ban the use of nuclear weapons. With the Madrid Project halfway to completion. Sigh.

I took Hattie's last African stronghold (Yes, I even retook Arretium):



I experienced fairly heavy losses, there. Dug in Marines can do some damage to a tank! But I couldn't wait for my cannons (yeah, I still don't have Artillery). I can't have her attaching herself to Cyrus.

Something strange popped up in the middle of the Sahara:



I'm wondering whether I should take it or just leave it be. I should probably just take it. It's cool, though.

In 1840, with war weariness cresting (Up to +11 in some cities), Hattie finally gave in:



Unfortunately, Hieraconpolis ended up being one of those one-square island cities in the middle of the South Pacific. It's mine now, though.

State of the world to follow.

We'll start with a look at the newly expanded German Empire:



You can also see Persia and England in that shot. I can't figure out which one to eat first. Cyrus needs to go, but the U.N. is the real threat, and that's in England.

Here's the Domestic Advisor:



Lots and lots and lots of tanks.

Victory Conditions:



I hate to say it, but we still might just pull this off. Maybe.

Foreign relations as pertain to us and Cyrus:





And the graphs:





We're now a solid second in power, but jeez. Cyrus is almost bigger than the rest of the world combined!

So... Persia or England? England is an island, both diplomatically and geographically. If we take on Persia, we're taking on the world. I feel like we're in the middle of 300, here. If we can take on the numberless hordes and win, though, the game is won, one way or another.

What do you all think?

Here's the save:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/118138/Frederick_AD-1840.CivWarlordsSave

I know that The U.N. is in England, but Cyrus is the President. By taking out Cyrus you can force new elections for President between you and Liz, because, let's face it, with Cyrus gone you will by far be the largest empire on the planet. Also, Cyrus is most likely almost done with the Apollo Project which taking the time to invade England could allow him to A) complete it quickly and B) start building parts. His empire is WAAAAAY to big to allow him to even start pumping out SS Casings. Yeah Liz may be an easy target, but she doesn't have enough votes to matter in an election wheras Cyrus does. And keeping control of the election opponent is crucial right now. Go all Spartan on Xerxes the God-King. I mean Cyrus, President of the United Nations.

Cyrus first, and then you can take on Lizzy, Mansa, Asoka or Qin.
Backdoor diplo might be the way to go.

You have a good share of Europe.... And some Africa.. And you still have only 12% of the land. Cyrus and his vassals have 23%. Combining your efforts, it should be around 35%. You'd still have another 30% to grab in about 200 years, assuming no one launches.
You can turn the world population to dust with nukes, but you cannot gain 30% of the land this way....
It should be really nice see a domination win from this scenario, but a backdoor might be the way to go.

Good luck, Neal!

I would try a backdoor diplo win. Take cyrus and his legion of vassals ( It will be a titan clash ) and vote yourself the winner. Not pretty, but is the best way to grab a win out of this. For a pure dom I would go to the Americas ( cleaning up those backward guys ), but I doubt that you'll have time for that.

You could also turn down research and bump up the culture slider to grab more land with the cities you already have and what you capture during the war. Just one border pop with each new city doubles it's size. Two pops, i think, more than triples it from the original (provided no other culture to interfere). Last Dom win I got I was in the middle of the war with 20% culture for War Weariness and then all of a sudden I had won. Watched the replay and figured out that it was because 2 cities I had just taken popped their borders and pushed me over the edge. If you feel you still need the research go for the Diplo, but without being able to use nukes right now, does it matter? Just push for flight, radio, and modern armor and all should be well.

Most people don't agree but I say take on Liz first because at this point, you're not ready to take on Cyrus and England is the furthest ahead in tech. Plus, controlling the UN will allow you to use nukes. Either way, what is Cyrus' and Liz's tech status and can you post your military advisor?