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killercane
Deity
Someone needs to play!!!
I sent a message a couple of weeks ago to Epsilon regarding the tech deal. Here is the response I got back from General W:
It is slightly better (in terms of beakers) than the last one. I can't help but suspect, though, that the deal helps Epsilon more than us.
We probably need to vote on the direction that we want to go. Do we want to do the tech deal with Epsilon? Or do we want Innovia's proposal of backstabbing Epsilon? My vote is the tech deal since Innovia isn't offering anything.
Thoughts? Votes?
General W said:
It is slightly better (in terms of beakers) than the last one. I can't help but suspect, though, that the deal helps Epsilon more than us.
We probably need to vote on the direction that we want to go. Do we want to do the tech deal with Epsilon? Or do we want Innovia's proposal of backstabbing Epsilon? My vote is the tech deal since Innovia isn't offering anything.
Thoughts? Votes?
As much as I don't like it we some to be between a rock and a hard place on this one.
I'm out of town today till Monday watching my Bears get thrashed by the Chargers so if someone wants to email Innovia if they can expand on any deals that might help.
I'm out of town today till Monday watching my Bears get thrashed by the Chargers so if someone wants to email Innovia if they can expand on any deals that might help.
pindicator
Emperor
We should push from something for Aloha even if it is something small (and even if we don't realistically expect to get it). Put it this way to Innovia: they're not just asking us to take peace with Aloha, but they're asking for us to commit against Epsilon as soon as we do so.
EDIT: In hopes of honing the discussion on this topic, I've started a thread here
EDIT: In hopes of honing the discussion on this topic, I've started a thread here
killercane
Deity
How close are we to steam power?
I received this message from Epsilon in my PM box yesterday. I was rather surprised because I thought we were going to negotiate some tech trading ...
Would it be possible for one of our diplomats to respond to this note? Are we still doing a tech deal with Epsilon? Also, how do we want to handle the war with Aloha?
General_W said:
Would it be possible for one of our diplomats to respond to this note? Are we still doing a tech deal with Epsilon? Also, how do we want to handle the war with Aloha?
killercane
Deity
Cant we attack with the 2 frigates and escape?
Well, as I noted in my turn report, the odds were 32% on attacking. We probably could have broken out, but then the Galleon would have just been sunk the next turn by Aloha's other 2 Frigates. Instead, I tried to bait Aloha's Frigates with a much juicer target (our Redcoats). Judging from this message, they opted to ignore the bait.
Of course, after one more turn, Aloha should have enough Frigates to just go ahead and sink all 3 of our boats anyway. So we can try and break out, if that is what the team wants to do, on the current turn.I think there is a more important question, though. I posted all of this 8 days ago in my turn report. Why are we just now having this discussion? The implication is that nobody is bothering to read my turn reports.
We've had 8 days of complete silence on all of the issues affecting this game. Why now?Turns out it's a mute point.
I got to thinking that Aloha's message didn't mention our Frigates, just the Galleon. So I just downloaded the save and had a look. Sure enough, Aloha sank the 2 Frigates last turn.
There was also another note from Epsilon in our mailbox. I gather that we still have not opened discussions with them for all of these techs that we need?
I got to thinking that Aloha's message didn't mention our Frigates, just the Galleon. So I just downloaded the save and had a look. Sure enough, Aloha sank the 2 Frigates last turn.
There was also another note from Epsilon in our mailbox. I gather that we still have not opened discussions with them for all of these techs that we need?
killercane
Deity
No I read it; I didnt think we had any options but Aloha's letter opened up said options. Im trying to follow and help out but really this game is an afterthought. For instance, I would have checked if there were 1 or 2 frigates in each tile blocking us (turn report doesnt say) but I cant open the darn save so that kind of takes away from discussion. Sorry C.
We have some real civ genius' on the team list and people who could give nice discussion. Really it would be nice if they could be involved. 75% of the people (other 25% I dont know who they are) on this team I value their opinions highly so it would be great if Graham, Bede, Tubby, et al. showed back up.
We have some real civ genius' on the team list and people who could give nice discussion. Really it would be nice if they could be involved. 75% of the people (other 25% I dont know who they are) on this team I value their opinions highly so it would be great if Graham, Bede, Tubby, et al. showed back up.
Well, as I said, its a moot point now. Our Frigates are gone and Aloha isn't going to let us upgrade the game until we delete the cavs. Its a bit petty, I think, but there isn't a lot we can do about it. I was hoping that if someone besides me could open a save, then we might actually see more participation in this game. 
As it stands, this game is pretty much dead. Even I'm having trouble keeping up interest.
But hey, I'm open to suggestions. I'd love nothing more than to tell Aloha where to shove it. They've been reluctant to trade with us the entire game. But without that patch, I don't see how we can cure our participation problems. Let alone attempt to get past team members to want to join again. Even that last guy (don't remember his name) left after he was unable to open the save.
Its just so frustrating that the patch is being held hostage like this. My apologies to you all, as I shouldn't be taking it out on you.
Edit: My only other thought, if we truly do not wish to acquiesce to Aloha's terms, is to possibly call a UN vote amongst the teams. DaveMcW already started a thread for it, albeit an unofficial poll.
As it stands, this game is pretty much dead. Even I'm having trouble keeping up interest.But hey, I'm open to suggestions. I'd love nothing more than to tell Aloha where to shove it. They've been reluctant to trade with us the entire game. But without that patch, I don't see how we can cure our participation problems. Let alone attempt to get past team members to want to join again. Even that last guy (don't remember his name) left after he was unable to open the save.
Its just so frustrating that the patch is being held hostage like this. My apologies to you all, as I shouldn't be taking it out on you.Edit: My only other thought, if we truly do not wish to acquiesce to Aloha's terms, is to possibly call a UN vote amongst the teams. DaveMcW already started a thread for it, albeit an unofficial poll.
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
Yeah, I'd vote for that, certainly. Deleting units so that the game can be upgraded is so against the spirit of the game, imo.
OK, I've heard back from Robi D. Evidently, I misunderstood. They don't want us to delete the units, they want to sink the ship and get the xp as well.
We need to decide how bad we want to keep these cavs. And if it is worth foregoing the patch to keep them. Our Galleon is trapped by their Frigates, so I'm not really sure if they can actually be saved via any in-game actions.
I guess we could offload the cavs, out of reach of their Cossacks, and wait the 1 turn for the peace treaty. But then that sort of trickery really isn't within the spirit of the game.
We could still call the UN vote ... but even if we win, we won't have a peace treaty and we will lose the cavs anyway. Which begs the question, why bother with the peace treaty? Especially if Epsilon is willing to commit troops.
There's probably more options that I haven't thought of ... How do we want to proceed?
Robi D said:
We need to decide how bad we want to keep these cavs. And if it is worth foregoing the patch to keep them. Our Galleon is trapped by their Frigates, so I'm not really sure if they can actually be saved via any in-game actions.
I guess we could offload the cavs, out of reach of their Cossacks, and wait the 1 turn for the peace treaty. But then that sort of trickery really isn't within the spirit of the game.
We could still call the UN vote ... but even if we win, we won't have a peace treaty and we will lose the cavs anyway. Which begs the question, why bother with the peace treaty?
Especially if Epsilon is willing to commit troops.There's probably more options that I haven't thought of ... How do we want to proceed?
killercane
Deity
Sure offload them. THEY are the ones that want to whack a unit and patch, kind of holding us over the coals there, ya know?
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
Yep, offload em, for sure.
Honestly, I don't think it is right. And besides, why would they honor the deal? My guess is they will refuse to upgrade until their Cossacks have killed our Cavalry. And then if we do want to do a deal in the future, all we've done is made sure they won't trust us.
And then if we do want to do a deal in the future, all we've done is made sure they won't trust us.
