These Fractured States of America - Development Thread

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I turned on the show python error option and now I get this error everytime I start a mod, no matter what mod I load:



That is a file from the FfH mod, but why is it messing up all other mods (even prepackaged ones made by Firaxis)?

Downloading... I'll see what's going on.

Ok, I think I fixed that actually. But there is another problem I haven't been able to figure out, when I start a game and open world builder the game crashes. If you could help figure that out I'd be very grateful.

I wish I could add any expertise, but I just want to say this is a great idea and Im looking forward to playing it when it takes more shape.

Thanks!

I run a non-profit and I suck at modding so time and talent is limited, but I'm definitely making progress with it (slowly). I'll be out of town for the next week and a half for the holidays, but hopefully things will slow down when I get back and I'll be able to put a few days into it.

I figure once the crash is fixed and I add a new tech tree I'll put up another downloadable version.

Any help figuring out why the game crashes when world builder is opened?

"If the Civil War started in 1851, and the North didn't benefit from an additional decade of industrialization, could the South have won?"
this is asked on the download page, If the North wasnt Industrialised the Civil War would not have happened, but more to the point if America wasnt united it couldn't have happened.
The Key motive for the call for independence on behalf of the southern states were the laws put in place by the north which actively prevent southern industrialisation.

Why would a non-united America not propose limiting southern industrialization?

The expansion of slavery was also, of course, a key factor. Without Texas and the southwest being added to the country the only new territory for the country left to add is in the north and thus likely free states. So I have proposed that the South just caught onto which way things were going and left before it became too late.

I can have Lincoln win the election in 1848 or something.

But, by all means, if you have suggestions on how this should play out, post your ideas.

orinsul said:

"If the Civil War started in 1851, and the North didn't benefit from an additional decade of industrialization, could the South have won?"
this is asked on the download page, If the North wasnt Industrialised the Civil War would not have happened, but more to the point if America wasnt united it couldn't have happened.
The Key motive for the call for independence on behalf of the southern states were the laws put in place by the north which actively prevent southern industrialisation.

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Your point is generally correct, but I think the laws the South had problems with weren't laws preventing industrialization; because they had no desire to do so. It was the tarriffs and trade restrictions that were placed to strangle the shipping and commercial developement of the South.

Since before the Revolutionary War, Boston and New York were the major and virtually only shipping points in and out of the US. Boston actually only joined in on fighting for Liberty when the British government strangled them to prevent them from becoming to successful. How ironic that they then tried to maintain their monoploy on trade over the South with restrictive laws.

The secession of the southern states was over sovereignty, "states rights", and self determination. They didn't like the Northerners telling them what to do and restriciting their trade. Slavery was just the dividing factor upon which the two sides lined up politically (like Repubs or Dems). Slave states had an agrarian economy and non slave states didn't (they were industrialized). Ending slavery would have ruined the southern economies ,THEORETICALLY. I should add I think slavery was an awful institituion lest you think I'm a racist.

Almost all of the Confederate soldiers who fought said they were fighting for their home and their state. States meant alot more back then since the Federal govt' was new and generally weak. Keep in mind also that only a small minority of Southerners actually owned slaves, few of whom actually fought in the war.

Anyway, for the scenario, the southern states would have maintained an semi fuedal system with large aristocratic landowners ruling, poor whites next, and slaves last. They would have been forced to rely upon cotton and tobacco trade with Europe, especially England, to survive economically. But the loss of nutrients in the soils due to over farming would have brought them to ruin in time unless they changed methods. The use of the cotton gin would also have eliminated much of the need for slaves over time.

Hmm, the cotton gin was invented in the late 1700's. For the purposes of the scenario it is too early to really make a difference in the game. And for history discussion, if the cotton gin would have eliminated the need for slaves it would have been done long before the 1860's.

You're right, I looked it up and actually the cotton gin was considered a contributing factor becvause it made MORE slaves necessary.

This mod looks interesting

Thanks.

I don't suppose you know why it crashes when WorldBuilder is opened?

Seems like a cool project!

I noticed that you aren't listing the Republic of Indian Stream amoungst your various secessionist groups.

Indian Stream had it's own Constitution and court and ran it's own affairs for about three years or so until the New Hampshire militia came on up to put an end to all that nonsense. I suppose not many people outside of the North Country here in New England have ever heard of it though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Indian_Stream

It should be problem with graphics (99%)
- Try to play a little bit and try to notiece when it cras.h
- Check once again if all the graphics are ok - in civilopedia - make sure that everywhere are graphics, no red blob for units, no crashes, no missing paragraphs and graphics in civilopedia etc.
- make sure that all leadersw (including barbarians) are connected to Art_Defs

Hmm, well the very early version of my mod crashes. At that point all I added was leaders & civs. In the civilopedia everything looks fine. All the art shows up ok. There is missing text, but that's just because I never wrote anything. I don't see how that would cause a crash when opening world builder though.

Can you upload the XML maybe someone can figure out the problem.

Yea, it is linked to in the first post in this thread:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=6854

I'm checking it now!

Thanks!