Many leaders Game 6 Emperor Spaceman

I didn't liked a lot of the start.... It looked like a place where it would be dificult to grow... Moved the scout and saw this

Much better... moved settler for 2 turns and settled in this nice spot:

Worker first ( have the phants to work ) and wheel -> Pottery ( quite a gamble , but needed to put cottages online ASAP... have to compensate the 2 lost turns ). The scout had some luck

and it that time I had more hut research than real one

In between my scout was eaten ( last hut tech was popped with a worker ) and found our first and until now only foe:

Lovely, a Pro/Ind civ.... let's keep peaceful and quiet with him for a while
After a while I founded my second city ( as you can see at the time I already had BW )

And things were uneventfut ( thank god ) until the end of the turnset ( BTW OBed with QSH )

Log


Some stats:

2 cities ( 5 pop total )
1 warrior + 1 worker ( yeah I know... )
Techs in Hand: Fishing and Hunting ( starting techs ) , Wheel , Pottery, Agriculture, Mysticism, AH , Mining, BW and writing. Currently researching Masonry ( 46 invested )

Plans for the future:

The area looks good for settler spamming followed by extreme cottaging. QSH seems to be far away, so the best thing to do may be forget wonders and simply make cities. Cooper needs hooking ASAP ( there are already barbs around the area ) and after that go to the north and the east. Col looks like a early necessity, but it may be better to the Currency route instead of the Priesthood one ( I'm not in a hurry of founding a religion )
There is not much of boosters around here and the best one is gold ( after the capitol ivory ( may do a phant rush if needed ), but the area seems to be dry and without enough food ( needs some exploring... if it has seafood nearby can be worthwhile ). There is wine as well, but that would imply a a priesthood route for Monarchy ( but HR may be enough of a reason to go there ). And we must not forget MC for forges ( extra for gold ) and the collosus ( this seems a not very suitable map for a collosus economy, however.... ) . After lurking the other games I may find some nice ideas

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Thoughts on the first round:

Wanted Gilga for Sumerian Spy Scam, but will settle for the Industrious Thief Economy. GW, REX, learn basic techs, steal up to late Medieval. Then huge empire will kick in to slingshot me to Space. Easy.

Aims for the set: look around, found another city, and maybe start the Great Wall. No point planning in too much detail at this stage.



Didn’t see the jumbos, but that wouldn’t have changed my mind about going for the river rice. There’s FPs near the jumbos, so it looks like we have a good 2nd city right on our doorstep. Woot.




My units had a tendency to get pwned in the early going (down one scout, and that weak warrior fell to the first barb). Met Huang on turn 15: he’s up north.






I had already started BW, but saving 9 turns is always a boon, especially when there’s Copper in the BFC.


Sweeeet:



Not a truffle fan myself, but can’t knock 1 food and 1 commerce on a grass hill!


NY, NY:



Had danced with bears beforehand: one warrior got eaten and, anticipating he’d be injured, I moved the other next to the bear but he hadn’t taken a scratch. Fortunately, I won the second battle and got NY settled as planned.

Met Bismarck, who is up to the NE (possibly on a peninsula).

The rest of the set:




Review: all going according to plan – lots of room for REX, GW almost done, 2 neighbours to steal from, and some decent huts & events.

A quick note on my choice of leader and my plan towards a space victory, as one of the emporer newbies within the game i was a bit hesitant over leader and in the end i went for one of what i consider are the financial powerhouses of the game. Darius’s organised trait as well means i should be able to keep my economy in line while maintaining a reasonable military. The immortal, if there are horses around is a very good early UU if not the best.

The plan is to hopefully beeline to priesthood for the oracle after the normal AH / BW and take CoL for confucinism.

To then expand as quick as my economy allows... well it seems like a good plan but if it goes like that we’ll see

First decision is on where to settle,although in place looks good 1 N will get the rice and with all the riversides to cottage the extra food will be helpful



We settle in place and the scout goes off visiting huts but all he gets for his travels is a few sacks of gold and a meeting with his long lost twin brother who decides to help in the exploration of the land,unfortunately the local zoo seems to have had a mass breakout and both die within a few turns of each other

Meanwhile our attempt to find horsies find the first herd to the northwest between two herds of trunkies .... nice city spot coming up. After AH the search for metals begins with mining and BW. the mother lode is struck as copper is found to the west on nice flat grassland. We do need the wheel to get the copper to town so thats next on the tech trail followed by pottery for those nice cottages.

Two strange visitors appear, both seem to be hardy industrious types so wonders will be at a premium.





Its about time to expand so a volunteers to found another city are called for and a hardy band set out to the southeast, their prime concern to harvest the herd of trunkies

Copper is conected into our capital so from now on our hardy bands of settlers will be protected by big men with bigger axes.

Pottery completes and it is time to race for our first wonder and a strange idea called religion.

All seems to be going to plan at the moment, i’m hoping with all the space and my traits i can rex to a huge empire before anyone realises what i’m doing.

i am reconsidering taking CoL from the oracle, it may be better to wait for bizzies hinduism to spread mmmmm...

Willem is financial and creative, and he has a killer UB. I chose him mostly because he is a production monster in the late game, and my goal is to expand to a decent sized empire (about 10 good cities with rivers or coast tiles). For this turn set I want to get a good capital, 1-2 new settlements, and at least the beginning of a defensive army.

4000: The initial spot looks OK, but perhaps we can do better? Moving the warrior doesn't reveal anything exciting, so I move the settler in the opposite direction.
3960: Moving was probably a mistake, but I don't want to waste more turns and settle in place. At least I still have the cows. And, I find myself one tile away from the sea but at least I will have seafood once I manage to build a workboat somewhere. Building a worker.

3640: Mining -> AH
about 3200: I meet the Germans. AH -> BW
2720: BW -> Roads. I have bronze in the fat cross
2840: After losing one warrior to a bear I have a lucky break and pop HR from a hut!

2800: I meet the Chinese
2480: Storms kill one population point, but in compensation I get another lucky event.

2280: Utrech founded to get elephants and flood plains.

2000: I just got a settler, and my first axeman is in the queue. The settler will found a city by the river delta south of Utrecht.

I can't remember why I chose Mansa besides the fact that he's financial. Now that I think about it, I'd rather have Wang, but I can live with Mansa.

Anyways, here we go:

As a financial leader, the starting position sucks. So when the scout revealed floodplains...



Some early hut luck:



Tech Order: Hunting, AH, Fishing, Pottery, BW, Masonry

I found my second city at the other floodplains and gold:



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Well, after my extremely unfortunate MLG 5 loss I just want to have fun and play a game. It will not be too long I guess as I've never won at Emperor level outside SGs. I was a late entry - I first didn't want to play this one as Emperor is way above my head. Still my leader choice was obvious - Justinian comes with nice traits and has a rocking UU (strength 12 Knights are something !). All the more I love Spiritual for the flexibility it gives. As Justinian starts with Mysticism my goal is to found a religion. Other than that we'll see...

Step 1 to Space: open the save. Now that starting position doesn't seem so hot, those cows and rice is nice, but it is a production poor area. Though lots of grass for cottaging is available I don't like that spot as I don't like hammer poor capitals. The warrior move reveals some more hills to the west, so west we go ! Constantinople is founded on turn 2 by the bend of a lovely river...



Now losing one turn may have cost me the religion, but a good capital is much more important. I set research on Polytheism for Hinduism, as I got beaten to Meditation and Buddhism in my SP games very often lately. This game is no different case as Buddhism will fall quite early. All the more I just outright love that Hinduism spreading sound...

My Warrior pops the hut south east of my capital and gets a Scout. That's a thing I always love because exploring is so much quicker with 2 units. But my hut luck isn't expended at that - if you read on you may get the feeling I even beat Ozzy's benchmark in this category from previous MLGs...



Next hut the Scout pops nets me... Fishing ! Not a hot prize, but still a tech !



Meanwhile at home my people get enlightened and learn the ways of Hinduism...



I don't adopt it yet as I want to see first how the religious situation will develop.

On with the Scout. He walks into the next village and brings back...



...Masonry ! Now that's in the gold ! With that headstart I can even beat Industrious Civs to the Great Wall. And that I'll gonna do as unmolested settling is crucial...

Meet the first AI. Qin comes from the north.



The Crazy Scout Show™ has not drawn the curtain yet. Another hut, and...



Oracle - MC sling anyone ?

And if that was not enough luck already, I get some nice events too. First my people find truffles north of Constantinople. Which makes a 3F2C tile out of that river grassland...sweet !



Next my tech grabbing Scout gets a free XP...



Meet the next AI. The Bizstacker™ comes from the East...



Discover BW. And everything falls nicely. That copper is ideally situated for that fishing village in the West...



The first part of the plan falls together: No barbs in my territory !



My city at the end of my 50:



I'm building the Oracle at the happy cap and max prod. Pottery comes in 3, the Oracle in 10. I'm on a good way to the MC sling.

My goals for the next round:

- Finish the Oracle and grab Metal Casting
- Start settling the lands
- Build the Kashi Viswanath
- Get some Axes
- Convert qin and Biz to my faith

I don't think I'll have a shot at the 'mids, as both Qin and Biz are Industrious. But maybe I'll try if there is a slight window...

The start into the game was pure fun, let's see what'll follow...

Imhotep

P.S.: I started Warrior first, then Worker at size 3 (I didn't start with good worker techs, so Warrior first was obvious while waiting for the religion.

Techs learned: Fishing (hut), Polytheism, Masonry (hut), Priesthood (hut), Bronze Working, Animal Husbandry, Pottery (currently researching, 3 turns left)

pawelo - good luck in chasing that first Emperor win! I'm a bit concerned with your stated aims of pursuing Pyramids and Oracle (and I don't think a CS Sling is realistic). You'd be better off expanding and going for only one of the above wonders, I feel. Seeing as you're going CE, then an MC Oracle will give a much needed production boost.

pholkhero - settling in place was There's not enough food to run cottages and grow at a decent pace (or to whip much). Ditch the Library for a Granary and use the doubled whip overflow to complete the Library. Beakers are no substitute for a large empire, so best get some Vultures out, and settle some good-food sites.

Ozbenno - quality play as usual, but I can't believe you were moaning about scouts No plans for Great Lighthouse/Cothon madness? Cows/Clams/Fish/Hills might have a chance if you settle it soon.

Imhotep - you'll never get a better chance to notch an Emperor win! I think you should postpone Oracle to get a second city out (the plains river tile for the Copper/Clams). Then chope the rest of the Oracle out whilst letting city 2 work the rice (training a worker). You're SPI, so you should adopt Hindu: just switch away if the AIs found a different religion. I would skip Mids altogether: too expensive without IND or Stone.

TLO - the barbs will soon cross culture, so I'd advise getting some units ASAP!

TriviAI - a two-worker gambit: very unusual and just the kind of move I like to see someone going for in this series. Has good synergy with CRE so I think you'll be shooting up the curve pretty soon. IW from a hut

Adhoc - good REX so far, but where is city 3 going to be placed. And why are you working the river plains at the capital?

yena - very odd position to chose for the capital when you could see the tiles to the settler's east were coastal. After you found that coastal city soon and get a WB up to Amsterdam it'll work out very happily.

Adhoc - good REX so far, but where is city 3 going to be placed. And why are you working the river plains at the capital?

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third city is going somewhere up by the horses/phants to the north east, the plan is to hopefully get eight or nine cities up and to chop the oracle for CoL and courthouses.

As for the plains....

Swiss Pauli said:

Ozbenno - ...but I can't believe you were moaning about scouts No plans for Great Lighthouse/Cothon madness? Cows/Clams/Fish/Hills might have a chance if you settle it soon.

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Neither can I. I suppose I was expecting the luck I had in MLG5. Actually, having the 3 scouts means I know exactly hhow much space I have to move into and thus has set my plan for the game. I think REXing is more important than trying for GLighthouse/cothon although I may give it a go.

I think you're perfectly right, especially given both neighbours are Ind
I will chase MC sling for cheap forges while rexing the countryside (which is waiting for being Rexed).
Best thing in playing online, well after the fact that you stop and plan, is to make the best out of other players games/advises. Thanks for your feedback

Elizabeth! Gloriana! The Virgin Queen.

Why Elizabeth? Divine Intervention I suppose (I got a pre-selected leader).

But not to complain. Philosophical and financial so specialists and cottages, hybrid economy and all that. Very nice UU though arrives a bit late. UB is pretty so-so but you can't have everything.

First priority survival. Second priority expansion. Look to generate a stack of GSs and lightbulb, maybe go liberalism then rifling, but that's for later on. Not going to bother with early religions or early wonders.

First decision; location of capital. Go one north for riverside location getting cows and rice, useful for early growth and also useful to run scientists later.
Did a bit of exploring though not much (one of my many weaknesses is I never prioritise early exploration). Found location for second city to southeast: floodplains, ivory and cows, not too shabby.
Got three huts for 34g, wheel and mysticism, much better than anticipated.
Ran into Qin and Bismark, not usually the most aggressive of leaders and I wasn't planning on wonder-spam anyway.
Tech-wise I started with fishing (not immediately useful) and mining (immediately useful) so went BW (copper in BFC ), Agric (for rice), AH (for cows), Pottery (for pots!). Hunting (for ivory) and currently researching writing (8 turns to go). Popped wheel early on so got copper hooked up quick, popped mysticism which allowed me to whip a monument in Hastings (6 turns to border-pop for ivory).
Build wise went for warrior to pop2 then worker (whipped), finished warrior while regrowing, chopped and whipped a settler (Hastings founded 2520bc) then built a couple of axes while growing before starting on worker at happycap (due next turn).

Checked out other people's games after completing set but before writing report. All us wall-less wallies are likely to face a few barbarians in the next set which should be interesting. I was a bit surprised to see such variation in capital's location. Looks like we're all pursuing different strategies so it should be interesting.

And I thinked that I had luck.... In fact I think I never had that kind of luck in all my Civ IV games. Just don't try to chew more than you can put in your mouth ( regarding Oracle...you have Ind foes after all ) and you'll be fine